David Petraeus for President?

[Anti Federalist]

What's behind floating this man's name out there?

David Petraeus for President: Run General, Run

Americans have never been so disgusted with their politicians. More than three-quarters of Americans disapprove of Congress. President Barack Obama's favourability ratings have slumped to below 50 per cent and he is no longer trusted or believed by many who voted for him.

Republicans are faring little better and the growth of the Tea Party movement reflects the widespread disgust with Washington and the political class. Incumbents across the board are vulnerable in November's mid-term elections.

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[rp08orbust]

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[Fox McCloud]

Military Generals typically do not make good Presidents....given the nature of the military they'll very very likely support centralized authority in planning over privatization and cutting back. If Patraeus was elected, it'd probably be Dwight D all over again--someone who is a Republican in name, and is ultimately elected on the grounds of intelligence and military experience and nothing more....what you get is a socialistic centralized nightmare.

[Agorism]

Most military presidents think the president should get a large standing army hence it's impossible to promote decentralized government in such a environment.

[Fozz]

Eisenhower was not a terrible president, and even Petraeus is wary of our support for Israel, but no, he's not what we need.

[Anti Federalist]

Eisenhower was not a terrible president, and even Petraeus is wary of our support for Israel, but no, he's not what we need.

I'm wondering if the fix is in.

I've seen his name pop up in couple of similar stories, all with same talking points, suddenly.

[sofia]

Eisenhower was not a terrible president, and even Petraeus is wary of our support for Israel, but no, he's not what we need.

Eisenhower did irreperable damage to USA....By cheating Taft out of the 1954 nomination, he was able to transform the GOP into a RINO party over his 8 year rule.

Prior to Ike, the GOP was dominated by its Ron Paul wing (McKinlry,Taft Sr., Harding, Coolidge, Taft Jr., Cabot Lodge etc)...

After Ike, the GOP became the Party of Rockefeller, Bush etc

[Fozz]

Eisenhower did irreperable damage to USA....By cheating Taft out of the 1954 nomination, he was able to transform the GOP into a RINO party over his 8 year rule.

Prior to Ike, the GOP was dominated by its Ron Paul wing (McKinlry,Taft Sr., Harding, Coolidge, Taft Jr., Cabot Lodge etc)...

After Ike, the GOP became the Party of Rockefeller, Bush etc

The GOP was not dominated by its "Ron Paul wing" in the early 1950s. There was the non-interventionist wing, but by that time the internationalists had more influence, even though Robert Taft was known as "Mr. Republican". William Buckley surely did a lot of damage to the Old Right, but I'm not sure if I would blame Eisenhower.

Eisenhower did some bad things, but he also believed strongly in a balanced budget (he was the last president to reduce the national debt) and was wary of unnecessary wars. He ended the Korean War, and kept the US out of the Suez crisis (Imagine a modern US president keeping us out of a conflict that Israel is in). He also warned our country about the military-industrial complex.

He wasn't the best, but he wasn't terrible either. And the 1950s was a very prosperous time.

[Agorism]

I am fine with increasing the national debt so long as it's caused by tax cuts.

[Fozz]

I am fine with increasing the national debt so long as it's caused by tax cuts.

Why? That is the typical neocon attitude.

Or are you kidding?

[sofia]

The GOP was not dominated by its "Ron Paul wing" in the early 1950s. There was the non-interventionist wing, but by that time the internationalists had more influence, even though Robert Taft was known as "Mr. Republican". William Buckley surely did a lot of damage to the Old Right, but I'm not sure if I would blame Eisenhower.

Eisenhower did some bad things, but he also believed strongly in a balanced budget (he was the last president to reduce the national debt) and was wary of unnecessary wars. He ended the Korean War, and kept the US out of the Suez crisis (Imagine a modern US president keeping us out of a conflict that Israel is in). He also warned our country about the military-industrial complex.

He wasn't the best, but he wasn't terrible either. And the 1950s was a very prosperous time.

He also deliberately murdered at least 1 million German POWs, and stopped Patton from liberating East Europe. He was probably involved in the plot to murder the anti-Communist....anti-Zionist Patton.

[Agorism]

Why? That is the typical neocon attitude.

Or are you kidding?

You support allowing taxes in order pay for the politicians programs?

[rp08orbust]

Why? That is the typical neocon attitude.

Or are you kidding?

Government budget deficits are only moral problems for minarchists, which I'm guessing "Agorism" is not.

The US federal deficit is only bad because we are forced to use the US government's depreciating currency. The US government engages in two kinds of violence that work together: taxation and currency monopoly. Murray Rothbard argued that libertarians should oppose all forms of aggressive violence unconditionally. Thus you will find a lot of anarcho-capitalists (including myself) who would gladly take any tax cuts they can get, regardless of the impact on the deficit. The fact that this hurts the dollar is just more reason for legalizing real money and shrinking government.

[Original_Intent]

But, but, Petraeus is swingin' pipe like THIS BIG!

[Imperial]

Eisenhower did some bad things, but he also believed strongly in a balanced budget (he was the last president to reduce the national debt) and was wary of unnecessary wars. He ended the Korean War, and kept the US out of the Suez crisis (Imagine a modern US president keeping us out of a conflict that Israel is in). He also warned our country about the military-industrial complex.

Eisenhower largely stayed out of war by advocating covert operations instead. These are often just as bad and have the added benefit of when you get caught illustrating a nefarious edge (IE, attacking or overthrowing govts in secret looks bad).

You can thank Eisenhower for the chaos in the Congo, backing the Tibetans but not giving them the support to win, only to harass the Chinese, starting the Bay of Pigs project, and more. He was directly involved with covert operations planning as the general he was (read John Prados' Safe for Democracy on this).

[JosephTheLibertarian]

I am fine with increasing the national debt so long as it's caused by tax cuts.

You're not an agorist.

[Fozz]

Eisenhower largely stayed out of war by advocating covert operations instead. These are often just as bad and have the added benefit of when you get caught illustrating a nefarious edge (IE, attacking or overthrowing govts in secret looks bad).

You can thank Eisenhower for the chaos in the Congo, backing the Tibetans but not giving them the support to win, only to harass the Chinese, starting the Bay of Pigs project, and more. He was directly involved with covert operations planning as the general he was (read John Prados' Safe for Democracy on this).

You forgot to mention the overthrow of Mossadegh. Like I said, Eisenhower was far from ideal, but I don't think there was any president after him who was better, so in that context he seems tolerable. I also don't think that covert operations are as bad as real wars, since they probably don't involve as much destruction or sacrifice as much blood. But like real wars, they do have long term negative consequences (such as Iran).

LBJ, Bush and others were absolute disasters, much worse than Ike. But the last president who really followed all the right principles was Grover Cleveland. Coolidge and Harding were good too, but they had made some mistakes that led to the Depression.

[Agorism]

I am fine with increasing the national debt so long as it's caused by tax cuts.

What does this have to do with Agorism?

[Jeros]

I am fine with increasing the national debt so long as it's caused by tax cuts.

X2. The more money I can exchange for physical silver before the house of cards comes fluttering down the better.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

What does this have to do with Agorism?

Agorists are ancaps that support a healthy black market. Like me, for example. One could say I'm already involved in it

[Agorism]

Or grey market.

That doesn't have anything to do with the previous conversation though.

[Tenbatsu]

I had a feeling this would be the globalists next golden boy. I remember a year or more ago of a gushing report on him by NPR and it made me think at the time that they may try to make him into a Presidential candidate.

If he is the puppet they are going to be pushing then expect a conflict with Iran or further deterioration of the conflict in Afghanistan. Everyone should be on high alert for elaborate false flag attacks.

[AlexMerced]

If Ron Paul is running, then there I probably won't care about POTUS and will focus on congressional races...

Ron Paul or Bust

[Anti Federalist]

I had a feeling this would be the globalists next golden boy. I remember a year or more ago of a gushing report on him by NPR and it made me think at the time that they may try to make him into a Presidential candidate.

If he is the puppet they are going to be pushing then expect a conflict with Iran or further deterioration of the conflict in Afghanistan. Everyone should be on high alert for elaborate false flag attacks.

NPR eh?

NPR is "lefty".

The "lefties" were calling him General "Betray-Us". And the "righties" were hollering like stuck pigs over it.

Now they love him???

Yeah, the fix is in.

Watch this guy carefully. The last Princeton grad in the WH was this $#@!in' guy:

[Old Ducker]

I love the phrase, listed twice, " potentially accomplished President." Elect me goddammit. I'll be a demonstrably accomplished President, mofos and thats no bull.

[mediahasyou]

I am fine with increasing the national debt so long as it's caused by tax cuts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crowding_out_(economics)

[tangent4ronpaul]

In general, I am not impressed with him.

I also am not crazy about a guy who's name sounds like "betray us"!!!!

-t

[FrankRep]

Establishment Grooms “Outsider” Petraeus for Presidential Bid


Infowars.com
April 4, 2010


Forget the Tea Party. Forget Ron Paul. Forget untried and unknown independents. America needs a strong leader. It needs an outsider.

“Many voters yearn for an outsider, someone with authenticity, integrity and proven accomplishment. Someone who has not spent their life plotting how to ascend the greasy pole, adjusting every utterance for maximum political advantage,” writes Toby Harnden for the Daily Telegraph. “In this toxic climate, perhaps the only public institution that has increased in prestige in recent years is the American military.”

That outsider is General David Petraeus.

Outsider? Petraeus is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. The “outsider” Patraeus attended the Bilderberg meeting held in Greece in 2009.

Foreign Policy magazine, the globalist Carnegie Endowment for International Peace periodical now owned by the CIA’s favorite newspaper, the Washington Post, profiled Petraeus as number eight on its list of “Top 100 Global Thinkers.” The establishment media has turned somersaults to praise him and select him as leader of the year on numerous occasions. The Atlantic Council, an insider organization par excellence — members and associates include Brent Scowcroft, Jeane J. Kirkpatrick, Colin Powell and Zbigniew Brzezinski — has bestowed its Military Leadership Award on Petraeus.

Neocon warmongers love Petraeus. The American Enterprise Institute — one of a handful of neocon think tanks behind the push to invade Iraq and kill a million plus Iraqis — bestowed its 2010 Irving Kristol Award on Petraeus. The late Kristol is considered to be the godfather of the neocon movement.

General David Petraeus is very much an insider.

“He’s a serious guy,” declared the “hawk” (neocon) Rep. Pete King in October. “He’s about the only one out there who could really challenge Obama, who isn’t as strong as he was a few months ago… I think he’s an independent, and I haven’t talked to him about this, but I’d encourage him… I’d be open to it.”

Another “hawk,” Democrat Peter Beinart of the Council on Foreign Relations, has compared Petraeus to Eisenhower, the last general president (who incidentally warned about the influence of the military-industrial complex). The GOP, argues Beinart, will “need someone with enough personal appeal to avoid the culture war food-fights that obsess the Republican base, someone who exudes moral traditionalism and fiscal prudence without appearing fanatical or intolerant.”

In other words, Petraeus will not pander to the “fanatical or intolerant” Tea Party movement, now considered to be the “Republican base,” thanks to the Republican effort to hijack the movement and install disinfo operative Glenn Beck and wind-up doll Sarah Palin as its leaders.

Establishment Republicans and their former Trotskyite neocon fellow travelers are desperate to assign the Tea Party movement with its quaint ideas about the Constitution and small government to the sidelines and thus irrelevancy by 2012.

Petraeus is not a patriot. He was instrumental in the illegal invasion of Iraq. He assumed command of USCENTCOM and is now responsible for U.S. operations in 20 countries from Egypt to Pakistan, including Operations Iraqi Freedom and Enduring Freedom. Petraeus has thrown his support behind Obama’s “Afghanistan strategy,” that is to say endless war against an enemy created by the CIA and an ever-increasing body count of innocent civilians.

It remains to be seen if the Petraeus trick will swoon growing numbers of people joining the Tea Party movement. If the establishment can sell deep insider General David Petraeus as an “outsider” and independent, they can sell just about anything to the suckers.

Keep in mind that the Republican Tea Party was able to sell Sarah Palin as the ostensible leader of the movement. So confident are they of the loyalty of the suckers, they continued to insist on her viability as a maverick even as she pranced around the stage in designer fashion at a John McCain re-election campaign.


SOURCE:
http://www.infowars.com/establishmen...sidential-bid/

[pcosmar]

David Petraeus for President?

[tangent4ronpaul]

If RP can't get the job, I say toss the dice and walk into a random late night diner or a 2 star hotel. Pick a waitress or maid that is having trouble making ends meet and make them prez. We would get a lot better representation that the tools that are being offered up to us!

-t