NRA: Ban adoption agencies from asking about gun ownership - Page 2

SimpleName · 11-07-2009, 03:51 AM

I do think MelissaWV makes a decent argument. One can be assured that when children have more accessibility to things, they will more often injure themselves and others. But I think the point is, that is ONLY if all children are exactly the same and educated to the exact same level. There are dangers everywhere and you can't absolutely stop children from hurting themselves. Simple example: They write with pencils all the time. Lets also think of the counter to your statement. What if children are hidden from all the real dangers of life? How will they ever learn self responsibility. Obviously putting bleach in a baby's crib isn't suggested, but I'm sure everyone gets the idea.

As everyone already said already, education is the most absolutely important thing. And without psychic abilities, there is no foolproof way to determine a parent's competency in educating a child before the fact. Sad to say, but adoption agencies have to just take risks. Most of the people at these agencies probably have no clue how to raise a responsible, intelligent child anyway.

And I can't help but include the fact that only 150 children die on average every year in the US from misuse of guns (not sure of exact phrasing). 150! How many children are there anyway? 40 million? 150 out of 40 million? We know a huge portion of these, just some social observation, totally neglected them or failed to substantially educate them. If you take that into account, how many deaths would that be? Maybe 30-40 at most. This is almost a non-issue.

MelissaWV · 11-07-2009, 06:47 AM

Guess I should have been far more clear... IF there's to be a form with questions, THEN it should have NO MORE THAN a vague question about child safety, rather than specifics. It shouldn't be backed up with someone making sure every cabinet locks, every gun is unloaded and put out of easy access, etc. etc. etc..

Honestly, I have no idea why a form is necessary. It's a lazy way out of interviewing and follow-up visits. Even then, the visits are dodgy. It's sad, but workers are far more likely to be outraged by a tasteful and artistic nude painting, or a gun in a place a child would need to sprout wings to get to (and also lack all common sense)... than they would be about overprocessed garbage food and the overuse of a television. *sighs* I always wondered why the spot checks weren't done before, but maybe they are. It seems like once a kid is placed with a family, it should take something pretty horrifying for an agency to take them back (such as really obvious abuse, kids wading through trash and living in their own filth, etc.). The Government, though, is really *REALLY* bad at making judgment calls like that

It's going to really suck trying to adopt when I get around to it. I'm unfit on 1,000 different levels heh

11-07-2009, 03:51 AM	#11
SimpleName Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northeast PA Posts: 1,160	I do think MelissaWV makes a decent argument. One can be assured that when children have more accessibility to things, they will more often injure themselves and others. But I think the point is, that is ONLY if all children are exactly the same and educated to the exact same level. There are dangers everywhere and you can't absolutely stop children from hurting themselves. Simple example: They write with pencils all the time. Lets also think of the counter to your statement. What if children are hidden from all the real dangers of life? How will they ever learn self responsibility. Obviously putting bleach in a baby's crib isn't suggested, but I'm sure everyone gets the idea. As everyone already said already, education is the most absolutely important thing. And without psychic abilities, there is no foolproof way to determine a parent's competency in educating a child before the fact. Sad to say, but adoption agencies have to just take risks. Most of the people at these agencies probably have no clue how to raise a responsible, intelligent child anyway. And I can't help but include the fact that only 150 children die on average every year in the US from misuse of guns (not sure of exact phrasing). 150! How many children are there anyway? 40 million? 150 out of 40 million? We know a huge portion of these, just some social observation, totally neglected them or failed to substantially educate them. If you take that into account, how many deaths would that be? Maybe 30-40 at most. This is almost a non-issue. __________________ If Liberty Forest were a soda can, I'd slurp its contents Ron Paul is so smart, when rocket scientists can't figure things out, they proclaim "I'm not a libertarian-leaning Republican Congressman" I am Greg Gutfeld's biggest fan if by "biggest fan" you mean "man-lover"

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11-07-2009, 06:47 AM	#12
MelissaWV Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,110	Guess I should have been far more clear... IF there's to be a form with questions, THEN it should have NO MORE THAN a vague question about child safety, rather than specifics. It shouldn't be backed up with someone making sure every cabinet locks, every gun is unloaded and put out of easy access, etc. etc. etc.. Honestly, I have no idea why a form is necessary. It's a lazy way out of interviewing and follow-up visits. Even then, the visits are dodgy. It's sad, but workers are far more likely to be outraged by a tasteful and artistic nude painting, or a gun in a place a child would need to sprout wings to get to (and also lack all common sense)... than they would be about overprocessed garbage food and the overuse of a television. sighs I always wondered why the spot checks weren't done before, but maybe they are. It seems like once a kid is placed with a family, it should take something pretty horrifying for an agency to take them back (such as really obvious abuse, kids wading through trash and living in their own filth, etc.). The Government, though, is really REALLY bad at making judgment calls like that It's going to really suck trying to adopt when I get around to it. I'm unfit on 1,000 different levels heh