Ron Paul Suing LA-GOP (2008)

[IcyPeaceMaker]

I was a delegate in Louisiana who was not selected due to the LA-GOP reopening the process after it had closed. The LA-GOP also failed or refused to count all the votes and slated the PLPF bunch to specifically defeat us.

For those reasons and others, we are suing the LA-GOP, I just signed on as one of the class action Plaintiffs.

[noztnac]

Cool. Take it to 'em.

[Ex Post Facto]

Good deal...this movement is inspriring. When you think about it collectively we are challenging all that is wrong with our country processes, things we only thought of doing previously, yet combined together with assests we make an impact.

[IcyPeaceMaker]

I'm hoping we can tie it back to the RNC, and hit them with a RICO conspiracy under title 42 USC 1985.

42 USC Sec. 1985 01/16/96

-EXPCITE-
TITLE 42 - THE PUBLIC HEALTH AND WELFARE
CHAPTER 21 - CIVIL RIGHTS
SUBCHAPTER I - GENERALLY

-HEAD-
Sec. 1985. Conspiracy to interfere with civil rights

-STATUTE-
(1) Preventing officer from performing duties
If two or more persons in any State or Territory conspire to
prevent, by force, intimidation, or threat, any person from
accepting or holding any office, trust, or place of confidence
under the United States, or from discharging any duties thereof; or
to induce by like means any officer of the United States to leave
any State, district, or place, where his duties as an officer are
required to be performed, or to injure him in his person or
property on account of his lawful discharge of the duties of his
office, or while engaged in the lawful discharge thereof, or to
injure his property so as to molest, interrupt, hinder, or impede
him in the discharge of his official duties;
(2) Obstructing justice; intimidating party, witness, or juror
If two or more persons in any State or Territory conspire to
deter, by force, intimidation, or threat, any party or witness in
any court of the United States from attending such court, or from
testifying to any matter pending therein, freely, fully, and
truthfully, or to injure such party or witness in his person or
property on account of his having so attended or testified, or to
influence the verdict, presentment, or indictment of any grand or
petit juror in any such court, or to injure such juror in his
person or property on account of any verdict, presentment, or
indictment lawfully assented to by him, or of his being or having
been such juror; or if two or more persons conspire for the purpose
of impeding, hindering, obstructing, or defeating, in any manner,
the due course of justice in any State or Territory, with intent to
deny to any citizen the equal protection of the laws, or to injure
him or his property for lawfully enforcing, or attempting to
enforce, the right of any person, or class of persons, to the equal
protection of the laws;
(3) Depriving persons of rights or privileges
If two or more persons in any State or Territory conspire or go
in disguise on the highway or on the premises of another, for the
purpose of depriving, either directly or indirectly, any person or
class of persons of the equal protection of the laws, or of equal
privileges and immunities under the laws; or for the purpose of
preventing or hindering the constituted authorities of any State or
Territory from giving or securing to all persons within such State
or Territory the equal protection of the laws; or if two or more
persons conspire to prevent by force, intimidation, or threat, any
citizen who is lawfully entitled to vote, from giving his support
or advocacy in a legal manner, toward or in favor of the election
of any lawfully qualified person as an elector for President or
Vice President, or as a Member of Congress of the United States; or
to injure any citizen in person or property on account of such
support or advocacy; in any case of conspiracy set forth in this
section, if one or more persons engaged therein do, or cause to be
done, any act in furtherance of the object of such conspiracy,
whereby another is injured in his person or property, or deprived
of having and exercising any right or privilege of a citizen of the
United States, the party so injured or deprived may have an action
for the recovery of damages occasioned by such injury or
deprivation, against any one or more of the conspirators.

RICO civil conspiracy defined:
http://www.lectlaw.com/files/lit08.htm

[pepperpete1]

I'm hoping we can tie it back to the RNC, and hit them with a RICO conspiracy under title 42 USC 1985.

42 USC Sec. 1985 01/16/96

-EXPCITE-
TITLE 42 - THE PUBLIC HEALTH AND WELFARE
CHAPTER 21 - CIVIL RIGHTS
SUBCHAPTER I - GENERALLY

-HEAD-
Sec. 1985. Conspiracy to interfere with civil rights

-STATUTE-
(1) Preventing officer from performing duties
If two or more persons in any State or Territory conspire to
prevent, by force, intimidation, or threat, any person from
accepting or holding any office, trust, or place of confidence
under the United States, or from discharging any duties thereof; or
to induce by like means any officer of the United States to leave
any State, district, or place, where his duties as an officer are
required to be performed, or to injure him in his person or
property on account of his lawful discharge of the duties of his
office, or while engaged in the lawful discharge thereof, or to
injure his property so as to molest, interrupt, hinder, or impede
him in the discharge of his official duties;
(2) Obstructing justice; intimidating party, witness, or juror
If two or more persons in any State or Territory conspire to
deter, by force, intimidation, or threat, any party or witness in
any court of the United States from attending such court, or from
testifying to any matter pending therein, freely, fully, and
truthfully, or to injure such party or witness in his person or
property on account of his having so attended or testified, or to
influence the verdict, presentment, or indictment of any grand or
petit juror in any such court, or to injure such juror in his
person or property on account of any verdict, presentment, or
indictment lawfully assented to by him, or of his being or having
been such juror; or if two or more persons conspire for the purpose
of impeding, hindering, obstructing, or defeating, in any manner,
the due course of justice in any State or Territory, with intent to
deny to any citizen the equal protection of the laws, or to injure
him or his property for lawfully enforcing, or attempting to
enforce, the right of any person, or class of persons, to the equal
protection of the laws;
(3) Depriving persons of rights or privileges
If two or more persons in any State or Territory conspire or go
in disguise on the highway or on the premises of another, for the
purpose of depriving, either directly or indirectly, any person or
class of persons of the equal protection of the laws, or of equal
privileges and immunities under the laws; or for the purpose of
preventing or hindering the constituted authorities of any State or
Territory from giving or securing to all persons within such State
or Territory the equal protection of the laws; or if two or more
persons conspire to prevent by force, intimidation, or threat, any
citizen who is lawfully entitled to vote, from giving his support
or advocacy in a legal manner, toward or in favor of the election
of any lawfully qualified person as an elector for President or
Vice President, or as a Member of Congress of the United States; or
to injure any citizen in person or property on account of such
support or advocacy; in any case of conspiracy set forth in this
section, if one or more persons engaged therein do, or cause to be
done, any act in furtherance of the object of such conspiracy,
whereby another is injured in his person or property, or deprived
of having and exercising any right or privilege of a citizen of the
United States, the party so injured or deprived may have an action
for the recovery of damages occasioned by such injury or
deprivation, against any one or more of the conspirators.

RICO civil conspiracy defined:
http://www.lectlaw.com/files/lit08.htm

There is definite proof that the LAGOP broke the naional rules and their own rules that they filed with the RNC secretary. That and also some state election codes.

PP

[Matt Collins]

Is the campaign suing LAGOP or is this several individuals/grassroots?

[Sey.Naci]

Matt, I think the campaign is suing. Torchbearer included in another thread (somewhere in Grassroots Central) a copy of an email he received yesterday afternoon. My recollection was that it came from HQ and they were asking those who had been (and are?) Louisiana RP delegates to contact them.

Please don't take my word for it, as I may not have it right. Do a search on Grassroots Central (or Torchbearer) to find that thread. The email copy is near the end of the thread - or it was last night at 9pm PST.

[Matt Collins]

Matt, I think the campaign is suing.

You would think they would issue a press release about this. Nothing on their site so far.

[btwilli1]

What is the message that you got? I have no seen the message in any of my meet-ups. I don't think the delegates in my district know about it.

[IcyPeaceMaker]

Good Evening Folks,

As you all know, we are suing the Republican Party of Louisiana for mishandling the entire caucus process and attempting to walk off with our victory. However, we need people (our delegates) to be the plaintiff's in the case. Please speak with the delegates in your district and find several delegates and alternates that are willing to put their names down on the suit as plaintiffs.

Please send me the names of the people who are willing as soon as possible.

Thanks!

--
Andrew Axsom
Louisiana Field Director
Ron Paul 2008
www.ronpaul2008.com
318-332-2225

"No man is entitled to the blessings of freedom unless he be vigilant in its preservation."
-- General Douglas MacArthur

[jacmicwag]

And get a very good attorney.

[IcyPeaceMaker]

And get a very good attorney.

This is the guy I'm advocating for the job.

http://www.lawyers.com/Louisiana/New...-597063-f.html

[Rex]

Could someone confirm this as I haven't seen anything via email..

[IcyPeaceMaker]

Could someone confirm this as I haven't seen anything via email..

If you were a delegate for RP, slated in Louisiana, go to my post above and volunteer to become a plaintiff, by contacting Axom, tell him which CD you are in and whatever you saw at the polls that day.

[torchbearer]

You would think they would issue a press release about this. Nothing on their site so far.

They can't issue a press release because it could jeopardize their case.
The LAGOP could accuse the campaign of trying the case in the media and have it thrown out.
We can tell the world....
The plaintiffs and their attorneys can't say anything...

I've had to deal with these kinds of things before...

It is happening, the campaign is behind it... I am now a plaintiff, but feel free to make your own releases...

[torchbearer]

Looks like the campaign may be on it and we won't need the other attorney:
from previos post:

I just got this through my meet-up emails:

Subj: Plaintiffs



Good Evening Folks,

As you all know, we are suing the Republican Party of Louisiana for mishandling the entire caucus process and attempting to walk off with our victory. However, we need people (our delegates) to be the plaintiff's in the case. Please speak with the delegates in your district and find several delegates and alternates that are willing to put their names down on the suit as plaintiffs.


Please send me the names of the people who are willing as soon as possible.

Thanks!

--
Andrew Axsom
Louisiana Field Director
Ron Paul 2008
www.ronpaul2008.com

[btwilli1]

I posted it to our meet-up. We never received anything,but I heard other meet-ups that got it.

[torchbearer]

Read my original thread on this: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=110440

[Liberté]

They can't issue a press release because it could jeopardize their case.
The LAGOP could accuse the campaign of trying the case in the media and have it thrown out.
We can tell the world....
The plaintiffs and their attorneys can't say anything...

I've had to deal with these kinds of things before...

It is happening, the campaign is behind it... I am now a plaintiff, but feel free to make your own releases...

I am doubtful about this claim, there is no reason they would not have issued a press release announcing the action without going into details (not saying that it wouldn’t happen, but I doubt you would be hearing about it via Ron Paul Forums or Local Meetups, this would come as a Press Release from HQ and be much more thoughtful).

It doesn’t seem likely after the NH recount decision and in the middle of the race; a lawsuit at this juncture would sink the campaign. Typically these type of lawsuits occur months (or years as evidence by Nader’s recent lawsuits) after the election process has finished.

If anything this type of speculation is going to hurt the campaign (that is why RP moved to stomp out the recount stuff). Just make sure you know who you are e-mailing and giving your information too...

[weslinder]

And get a very good attorney.

This is Louisiana. I've got a better idea. Get a very well-connected attorney.

[pcosmar]

Good luck with that.

Boxes so far,
Soap Box-check
Ballot box-check
Jury box- working
Ammo box- waiting.

Feel free to use this image,

[torchbearer]

I am doubtful about this claim, there is no reason they would not have issued a press release announcing the action without going into details (not saying that it wouldn’t happen, but I doubt you would be hearing about it via Ron Paul Forums or Local Meetups, this would come as a Press Release from HQ and be much more thoughtful).

It doesn’t seem likely after the NH recount decision and in the middle of the race; a lawsuit at this juncture would sink the campaign. Typically these type of lawsuits occur months (or years as evidence by Nader’s recent lawsuits) after the election process has finished.

If anything this type of speculation is going to hurt the campaign (that is why RP moved to stomp out the recount stuff). Just make sure you know who you are e-mailing and giving your information too...

This isn't speculation. WTF are you talking about?
We are sharing info with you that we have gotten from the official campaign as a privilege to you and to others so you know what is going on...

And yes, the campaign cannot make a big public deal out of it without repercussions.
You haven't a clue what you are talking about... We had a 40 page thread discussion on this topic.
We as a grassroots were lining up our own attorney until we recieved an email that same night from our "official campaign paid state coordinator" sent to all of our meet-up organizers an email that was disseminated to us... and then shared with you.

Read this thread to get caught up: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=110440
It will help you keep your foot out your mouth.

[torchbearer]

This is the guy I'm advocating for the job.

http://www.lawyers.com/Louisiana/New...-597063-f.html

I already have one of the top attorney's waiting on the sideline if HQ doesn't get on the ball.

I sent this email:

I've been robbed of a state alternate delegate spot, along with many other people because of some fishy/ fraud like activity conducted by the LAGOP.

Here is kind of my layman's summary of the institutional laws i'm looking at... what my grievances are... and info i'd need to prove my case.

If you don't handle these kinds of cases.. could you refer me to someone who can...



from RNC rules: http://www.gop.com/About/Rules11-20.htm



RULE NO. 14
Participation

(a) The Republican National Committee shall assist the states in their efforts to inform all citizens as to how they may participate in delegate selection procedures.
The states, in cooperation with the Republican National Committee, shall prepare instructive material on delegate selection methods and make it available for distribution.






RULE NO. 15
Election of Delegates and Alternate Delegates


e) Certification and filing by state committees.

(1) On or before the first Tuesday in September of the year before the year in which the national convention is to be held,
each Republican state committee shall adopt rules, procedures, policies, and instructive materials (prepared pursuant to Rule No. 14(a))
governing the selection of delegates and alternate delegates to the national convention to convene during the following year
and shall certify and file with the secretary of the Republican National Committee true copies of the same
and of all statutes governing the selection of such delegates and alternate delegates.


RULE NO. 16
Enforcement of Rules

If a state or state party is determined to be in violation:

(1) No member of the Republican National Committee from the offending state
shall be permitted to serve as a delegate or alternate delegate to the national convention.

(2) After the Republican National Committee members are excluded from being part of the offending state’s delegation to the national convention,
the state party shall determine which of the state’s remaining delegates (and corresponding alternate delegates)
are entitled to serve as part of the state’s reduced delegation to the national convention.


------------------------------------------------------------------------

SHORT answer:


On or before the first Tuesday in September,
each Republican state committee shall adopt rules, procedures, policies, and instructive materials,

inform all citizens as to how they may participate, make it available for distribution,

and shall certify and file with the secretary of the Republican National Committee true copies of the same.


If a state or state party is determined to be in violation,

no member of the Republican National Committee from the offending state shall be permitted to serve
as a delegate or alternate delegate to the national convention.


The state party shall determine which of the state’s remaining delegates and alternate delegates are entitled to serve
as part of the state’s delegation.


----------------------------------------------------------------------------------



My grievances that can be proven:



1. The LAGOP changed the dates of delegate qualification at the last minute to allow for more opposition delegates to be added once they saw our huge slate of candidates when RNC rules declare they must be set in Sept.
2. They did not notify the citizens of how to participate
3. Having a voter list up to Nov 1 at a caucus whose rules stated you had to registered by Nov 30th. They knew via the SOS that there was a huge influx of republican in November, why would they not have a list up to november 30th if it wasnt to disenfranchise.
4.Automatic Delegates running as unelected delegates on the ballots to keep spots away from other delegates.



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What I need to prove my case:



What I need: The LAGOP filing with the RNC regarding its caucus selection process in September.
Also- official copy of LAGOP party by-laws regarding the elections of state delegates.

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[IcyPeaceMaker]

Very cool, great work, looks like they are going to need some more short hairs, we have them by the ones they used to have.

[raystone]

This is Louisiana. I've got a better idea. Get a very well-connected attorney.

lol, so true

[Rex]

I would send my name along but I need more info than just "we are going to sue"..

[noodles1_tx]

Good Job TorchBearer!!!

[IcyPeaceMaker]

I would send my name along but I need more info than just "we are going to sue"..

Read back on page one, I posted the letter from LA-HQ, the contact info is in there, ask them what they need.

[Sey.Naci]

I would send my name along but I need more info than just "we are going to sue"..

From further up the thread, the following is an email sent from RP LA Field Director:

Subj: Plaintiffs

Good Evening Folks,

As you all know, we are suing the Republican Party of Louisiana for mishandling the entire caucus process and attempting to walk off with our victory. However, we need people (our delegates) to be the plaintiff's in the case. Please speak with the delegates in your district and find several delegates and alternates that are willing to put their names down on the suit as plaintiffs.


Please send me the names of the people who are willing as soon as possible.

Thanks!

--
Andrew Axsom
Louisiana Field Director
Ron Paul 2008
www.ronpaul2008.com

If you're a LA delegate or alternate, then you're someone Andrew would like to hear from.

[Inflation]

We need a press release to go out to Drudge and Digg ASAP.
If we can get this into the 10pm and am news cycles it would be fantastic!