Lessons to be learned from LA

[Mordan]

Learn from the mistakes

1st
never shout Gold! before you actually can touch your medal
so be humble... keep low profile, steady and cool headed.


2nd
GOP is against us. We have to be extra carefull and check the Caucus rules in details.

3rd
we are walking on eggs. dangerous poisonous eggs. eggs worth billions and billions of dollars. Remember Kennedy. Hopefully with Internet power we are safer.

4st
Must keep the GOP process. stop talking about independant bid. they want us to do that. we can win the convention. and the process brings media exposure.

[acroso]

"Lessons to be learned from LA "


uhhh...sign up as a PFPL delegate and you get to be a RP delegate.

That's what I got out of it.

[mosquitobite]

And most important - if you live in a caucus state, or know a supporter who does - SEE THE LINK IN MY SIGNATURE!!!!!!

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[mosquitobite]

"Lessons to be learned from LA "


uhhh...sign up as a PFPL delegate and you get to be a RP delegate.

That's what I got out of it.

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Wrong!

- If you say you're for RP in your speech, you'll get selected by other RP fans, but won't be selected by non-RP fans. If you say you're unsure in your speech, then you may pick-up non-RP votes, but at the risk of missing-out on RP votes. Also, there is no guarantee that there aren't hucksters, er, fake reps looking to take away RP votes, only to later support another candidate. This may be mitigated if all RP supporters know who is for RP, but other's don't (just conjecture on my part). In other words, it a game of organizing ourselves while confusing our opponents.

- Knowing the names of RP's delegates for your district before attending the Caucus seems best to avoid confusion. Not sure where to get this info, but your local RP rep office or meetup.com site probably has a list.

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And how do we know who they are? Because we should be organized within our districts and KNOW who they are. Period.

Knowing how a caucus works is how we beat the system. Working within the system, we shall beat it!

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[Mordan]

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Wrong!

- If you say you're for RP in your speech, you'll get selected by other RP fans, but won't be selected by non-RP fans. If you say you're unsure in your speech, then you may pick-up non-RP votes, but at the risk of missing-out on RP votes. Also, there is no guarantee that there aren't hucksters, er, fake reps looking to take away RP votes, only to later support another candidate. This may be mitigated if all RP supporters know who is for RP, but other's don't (just conjecture on my part). In other words, it a game of organizing ourselves while confusing our opponents.

- Knowing the names of RP's delegates for your district before attending the Caucus seems best to avoid confusion. Not sure where to get this info, but your local RP rep office or meetup.com site probably has a list.

__________________________________________________ ___

And how do we know who they are? Because we should be organized within our districts and KNOW who they are. Period.

Knowing how a caucus works is how we beat the system. Working within the system, we shall beat it!

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Nice. I think I understand what happened

[jenninlouisiana]

I've been going over this in my head all day and this is how it played out:

We had 2 strategies we could have done:

1) Play the game or

2) Go for broke


#1 takes like 5 years. You have to join local GOP things, schmooze, be a good little neocon... work your way up... work the system... SAY you are uncommitted when everyone else knows you aren't etc..

and

#2 takes 3 months of hard planning, lots of organization and a lot of energy. You don't necessarily make friends with the establishment this way and you have a lot to lose.. .but you also have a lot to win...


We did #2 because it was the only thing we could do. And even if we didn't do as well as we wanted, we did break in the door, and that's a serious feat.

[CelestialRender]

"2nd
GOP is against us. We have to be extra carefull and check the Caucus rules in details."

We did this. We followed the rules. They let out the clarion call when we had more delegates and organized the state against us.

[Redcard]

Here's a lesson.

Be a democrat if you want a fair system.

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/LA-R.phtml

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/LA-D.phtml

If you MUST be a republican, start lobbying to get the state rules changed so you don't go through this BS next time :P

[JWZguy]

Please stop drawing conclusions before the provisional votes are counted.

[JustBcuz]

Here's a lesson.

Be a democrat if you want a fair system.

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/LA-R.phtml

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/LA-D.phtml

If you MUST be a republican, start lobbying to get the state rules changed so you don't go through this BS next time :P

If you think the Democratic Party doesn't have it's own set of 'rules' and you think that the Democratic Party doesn't play these same sort of 'games'; you are sadly mistaken. If you like, ask a Dennis Kusinich supporter for a complete explanation.

These problems are endemic in BOTH major parties.

Just the way it is. It's one of the many things we're all trying to change.

[hueylong]

The point of the original post is DEAD ON. We have to know the rules and play the game well to win.

Too many people going off half-cocked, not knowing anything about how the process works and then yelling "conspiracy" or "corruption" when we don't win.

If we want to take this country back, we have to work the system BETTER than the people who have been doing it for 50 years.

So, as the original post advises: humility, keep it on the down low, KNOW THE RULES, and work harder than anybody else.

All the whining is BULL$#@!.

GREAT POST, Mordan!

[Redcard]

If you think the Democratic Party doesn't have it's own set of 'rules' and you think that the Democratic Party doesn't play these same sort of 'games'; you are sadly mistaken. If you like, ask a Dennis Kusinich supporter for a complete explanation.

These problems are endemic in BOTH major parties.

Just the way it is. It's one of the many things we're all trying to change.

Uh, not this way, no.

The democratic party's process is clearly pointed out. You get X percentage, you get Y delegates.

In LA and WY. It's only the republicans that can't seem to trust a representative democracy in their primaries.

[JustBcuz]

Uh, not this way, no.

The democratic party's process is clearly pointed out. You get X percentage, you get Y delegates.

In LA and WY. It's only the republicans that can't seem to trust a representative democracy in their primaries.

OHhhh?

Then why did the Democratic Party hold caucuses in casinos in Las Vegas?

And what about those casino bosses who would only let employees out of work to caucus for Obama? Hillary supporters stayed on their shifts.

Read anything about the Culinary Union lately? Read the stories of intimidation and threats of physical violence coming out of NV? Probably not. The MSM doesn't cover that sort of thing...sound familiar?

That's ONE example from ONE state from the last month.

BOTH parties are dirty. BOTH parties pander to special interests. BOTH parties will do everything they can to keep their actions in the dark, like the cockroaches they are....petrified of the light.

Yeah, the Dems are a little bit clearer about how they suppress minority voices in their caucus. Through the 15% rule.