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Thread: What do you all have against Giuliani?

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    What do you all have against Giuliani?

    Giuliani wants to issue a big tax cut...and he's got a really simple tax form...so I wanted to know why some people here hate him so much that they don't want his big tax cut. Who cares if he has had several wives, doesn't get along with his family, is using 9/11 to his advantage, etc. if he will save you thousands of dollars and a lot of tax stress next April 15?

    I really want Ron Paul to win in Florida. However it's frustrating when I turn on CNN, see that Dr. Paul is losing by a large percentage in a primary or caucus in another state or in a Florida poll so I must hope that some other candidate beats McCain and his 100 year Iraq war. And unfortunately there is no other big tax cutter besides Giuliani with a chance to win Florida according to the latest polls. Hopefully that will change and Ron Paul will move ahead of Giuliani in the polls just before January 29.
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    His views on national security and foreign policy scare the crap out of me. End of story.

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    Why so much Guiliani loving today? TRYING TO CONVERT US TO THE DARKSIDE?!?!

    I WILL RESIST! BUT IT TASTES SO GOOD! OMG THE POWER... AHHH!

    *Goes watch Ron Paul video*...
    feeling better... ok yeah, so basically, he has a dictatoral veiw on national security, and wants to blow the middle east to hell, where I plan on living for awhile. Second, he openly laughs and calls out Ron Paul even though his stance is 100 times more rediclious.

    Good enough answer, turn coat?
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    Rudy is a criminal with no integrity. He also wants to wage constant war and does not care that we are $9 trillion in debt.
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    Giuliani is a big spender. He doesn't understand why deficit financing causes economic problems, and his tax plan is likely to coincide with an increase in government spending, not a reduction. I also really, really hate his personality.

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    Did you actually look at his records?

    He wants more of a police state than Bush.
    “I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.” - Thomas Jefferson

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    Giuliani is an arrogant, egotistical thug who doesn't like women, children, and small, furry animals.
    In this world nothing is certain but death and taxes.

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    the ghoul is a typical hot air politician I want someone who consistently stands for their ideals
    . We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals so that security and liberty may prosper together



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    Julie Annie is a tool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exponent View Post
    His views on national security and foreign policy scare the crap out of me. End of story.
    He put more cops on the street when he was New York city mayor...cut the crime rate in New York in half...more cops of the street makes more sense for national security than more troops six thousand miles away in Iraq.

    And why do you want to pay more taxes just because he has a foreign policy that scares you?
    Last edited by qh4dotcom; 01-19-2008 at 10:35 PM.

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    Guiliani is a RINO, republican in name only.



    And I am sick of his 9/11 emotive speeches.
    Last edited by gracebkr; 01-19-2008 at 10:33 PM. Reason: forgot ending

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    The guy is a plain fruitfly, loves the war, would bomb Iran in his first day in office if Bush doesn't beet him to it, and we all know the rest from his debates! I would vote for Mitt before i would even consider the Ghoul. Better to have a flipfloper then a determined war monger that he is! Him, McCrack, Huckacrack and LoonyTom can go them selfs to Iran and fight with Ahmadinijad for all i care... Mitt might be smart and flop after he gets in the big house and not go to war"unlikely but at least he flips"

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    Quote Originally Posted by qh4dotcom View Post
    Giuliani wants to issue a big tax cut...and he's got a really simple tax form...what do you all have against him? Who cares if he has had several wives, doesn't get along with his family, is using 9/11 to his advantage, etc. if he will save you thousands of dollars and a lot of tax stress next April 15?

    Obviously I want Ron Paul to win in Florida....but I'm rooting for him to come in 2nd place.
    Asking me what I have against Giuliani is like me asking you what you have against shoving a grenade up your ass and pulling the pin.

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    Oh yeah and if the thread starter does not understand why Guiliani is terrible, then I ask if the TS is even a Ron Paul supporter. How could one like Ron Paul and want him to win and still have respect for any other candidate. Ron Paul speaks the truth, which means the rest are LIARS!

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    Im going to have to throw the Troll word a round here, im afraid
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    I used to live in NY. Rudy rode a crime wave reduction nationwide, and had professional PR firms stating constantly that he was reducing crime. Crime goes down the same percentage nationwide, and he rode that wave. He did put lots of cops on the street though. Lots.

    He had them make getting rid of the squeegee guys a priority. Maybe that should be his motto, since after getting pretty much last place in the south, northeast, west, and midwest it can't really be America's candidate, or we are running a national campaign.

    New motto suggestion:
    "Rudy. Tough on bums."
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    Quote Originally Posted by qh4dotcom View Post
    He put more cops on the street when he was New York city mayor...cut the crime rate in New York in half...more cops of the street makes more sense for national security than more troops six thousand miles away in Iraq.

    And why do you want to pay more taxes just because he has a foreign policy that scares you?
    You act like more cops on the street is ALWAYS a good thing. How about a well-armed populace? New York City couldn't have a well-armed populace because owning an assembled firearm within NYC is illegal without the political connections to get a "license."

    Giuliani shirked his "duty" during Vietnam, went on to prosecute draft dodgers for the DOJ in the late 1970's / early 1980's, and ordered his police to arrest and hold overnight anyone caught with a small amount of marijuana (knowing full well that the charge would be reduced from a crime to a violation the next day).

    He is one scary guy who neither honors the Constitution nor his marriage vows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rightcoast View Post
    I used to live in NY. Rudy rode a crime wave reduction nationwide, and had professional PR firms stating constantly that he was reducing crime. Crime goes down the same percentage nationwide, and he rode that wave. He did put lots of cops on the street though. Lots.

    He had them make getting rid of the squeegee guys a priority. Maybe that should be his motto, since after getting pretty much last place in the south, northeast, west, and midwest it can't really be America's candidate, or we are running a national campaign.

    New motto suggestion:
    "Rudy. Tough on bums."
    LMAO

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    Quote Originally Posted by bbachtung View Post
    You act like more cops on the street is ALWAYS a good thing. How about a well-armed populace? New York City couldn't have a well-armed populace because owning an assembled firearm within NYC is illegal without the political connections to get a "license."

    Giuliani shirked his "duty" during Vietnam, went on to prosecute draft dodgers for the DOJ in the late 1970's / early 1980's, and ordered his police to arrest and hold overnight anyone caught with a small amount of marijuana (knowing full well that the charge would be reduced from a crime to a violation the next day).

    He is one scary guy who neither honors the Constitution nor his marriage vows.
    Right, lots of cops to protect those who were being forced to not protect their's. Then they get 911, dial a prayer.

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    His views on foreign policy are imperialist, to put it mildly. Uberneocon Norman Podhoretz is his chief foreign policy advisor.

    On civil liberties, the only one he really supports is abortion. He's on record as saying "freedom is about authority," and that was the mildest thing he said in that speech.

    Basically, he's a police stater and warmongering invasionist. Big Brother all the way.

    However, to his credit, his tax proposal has a lot of merit. I might get flamed for that, but I think gutting the income tax of all credits and deductions in exchange for lower rates is far preferable to what we have today. Of course, Paul's "replace with it nothing" approach is way better.

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    Thumbs down

    Anybody with a 'Freedom through Authority' talking point is frankly too Orwellian for me. Oh ya, and then there was this:

    "At the center of negotiations for multiple legs of the Superhighway Corridor throughout Texas, is none other than Rudolph Giuliani's law firm which landed the Comprehensive Development Agreement for a widening of Interstate-35, now referred to as the TTC-35, in addition to the Master Development Plans for State Highways 121 and 130 among other legs of the TTC. All negotiations for Cintra were and are presently handled by the law firm, Bracewell & Giuliani, LLP, of which Republican Presidential candidate, Rudolph Giuliani, has been a senior executive partner since March 2005. His law firm is the exclusive legal counsel for Cintra. Bracewell & Giuliani is comprised of 400 attorneys, based in Houston, TX with offices in New York City, Washington, D.C., London and Kazakhstan."

    http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/grassi/070504
    "Masterful and arrogant wealth, created largely by Government protection of its profits, not content with its domination and influence within a single party, had sought to corrupt them both, and to that end had insinuated itself into the primaries, in order that no candidates might be nominated whose views were not in accord with theirs." (‘Colonel’ Edward Mandell House in 'Philip Dru: Administrator', circa 1912)

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    Giuliani does not support civil liberties he is a big government liberal who likes to cut a few taxes here and there and be hawkish thinking that will make him a conservative Republican. As was said early he is a RINO and he is also a Neo-con. Bush actually sounded good before he was elected, Giuliani sounds bad when hes running, he would be worse than Bush. To the poster, how the hell does being a Mayor of a city and taking credit for more than you deserve credit for make you qualified to become President? Since you are "rooting for Giuliani for second in Florida" and Ron for first, you obviously think this is some kind of a literal horse race and do not understand what is at stake here: cough cough America.

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    [QUOTE=qh4dotcom;1013184]Giuliani wants to issue a big tax cut...and he's got a really simple tax form...what do you all have against him? Who cares if he has had several wives, doesn't get along with his family, is using 9/11 to his advantage, etc. if he will save you thousands of dollars and a lot of tax stress next April 15?

    I personally don't care HOW much money he promises to save me. Believe it or not, some things are a lot more important than my bank balance. Sheesh, it's not like we're a bunch of nanny state socialist Democrats or sumpthin.

    Some things just aren't for sale - like hearts, minds, souls, national decency, and VOTES just to name a few.

    The thought of thousands more innocent, slain Iraqi women and children in exchange for a few hundred more dollars in my checking account is REPULSIVE. They can keep their filthy blood lucre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qh4dotcom View Post
    He put more cops on the street when he was New York city mayor...cut the crime rate in New York in half...more cops of the street makes more sense for national security than more troops in Iraq.

    And why do you want to pay more taxes just because he has a foreign policy that scares you?
    I'm voting for Ron Paul. How does that suggest that I prefer troops in Iraq over cops on the street? (I'd prefer as little as possible of both of those.) And how does voting for Ron Paul suggest that I want to pay more taxes in order to avoid a horrible foreign policy? (I'd, again, rather prefer both paying lower taxes and avoiding a horrible foreign policy.) What type of argument are you possibly trying to make?



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    Giuliani does not support civil liberties, he has no class, laughs at Ron Paul etc. He is a big government liberal who likes to cut a few taxes here and there and be hawkish thinking that will make him a conservative Republican. As was said early he is a RINO and he is also a Neo-con. Bush actually sounded good before he was elected, Giuliani sounds bad when hes running, he would be worse than Bush. To the poster, how the hell does being a Mayor of a city and taking credit for more than you deserve credit for make you qualified to become President? Since you are "rooting for Giuliani for second in Florida" and Ron for first, you obviously think this is some kind of a literal horse race and do not understand what is at stake here: cough cough America.

  30. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by angrydragon View Post
    Did you actually look at his records?

    He wants more of a police state than Bush.
    More cops on the street + big tax cut sounds like a good deal to me. There's too much crime here where I live.

  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Exponent View Post
    His views on national security and foreign policy scare the crap out of me. End of story.
    That is more then enough right there.

    From what I hear about how he handled 9/11 before during and after, I think he is also an imcompetent leader, has zero foresighting skills, and is an opporuntists.

    I don't qualify to get any favors with his tax cuts.

    He is a Liar. Even today on the news he was saying that he is the only republican candidate with the best record on cutting taxes and spending. Did he forget he is running against the infamous Dr, NO.?

    I could care less how many times that he has been married and I am also pro choice.

    I do care A LOT that this scum bag, is helping out a known and convicted , repeat child molesting ex Priest, also a friend of his, by giving him work. If Rudy was any where near cutting the mustard in my book, he would've only helped this man find his way behind bars or introduced him a baseball bat.

    I can't stand him.

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    Giuliani is quite literally a fascist. He is an authoritarian who wants to centralize power under the executive, so he can manage a merger of government and big business. He uses fear and scapegoating to scare people into giving up their freedom.

    Giuliani would be one of the worst things to ever happen to this country. Probably worse than Hillary Clinton, believe it or not...

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    give up already

    Just give it up.. we are all commited to Dr. Paul here

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    RG is a cheat. You can't trust a cheat.

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