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Thread: Is just me or is the Ron Paul HQ spending more time on Nevada?

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    Default Is just me or is the Ron Paul HQ spending more time on Nevada?

    I thought they would spend allot of effort into NH but i guess i was wrong
    it seems to me that they are spending all the efforts in Nevada ? but why Nevada?



    Would will ron paul Benefit from getting a win from Nevada.


    Ron paul grassroots team members did there best in New Hampshire
    and Iowa, but from what i heard so far in the forums and on the daily ron paul
    site, is that most of the focussed effort work is on Nevada.

    So i am wondering, what happens if ron paul grassroots efforts and Ron paul HQ in Nevada
    pays off? and he wins first place in Nevada? And then the efforts move to Cailf?



    So what do you think?
    Last edited by Give me liberty; 01-14-2008 at 11:46 PM.



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    Several reasons... Nevada, for one, has more delegates than New Hampshire. Two, voter turnout is expected to be low, since this is the first caucus ever for Nevada, and most people don't even know about it.

    Which means, the tons of Ron Paul supporters will give him a good number of delegates. Remember, it's not about who wins or lose, it's about who gets the most delegates. Ron Paul might lose, but he will get delegates out of Nevada.

    Plus, Nevada is not open. You have to register Republican to vote Republican, and the deadline to register was a month ago. Thus, politicians can't manipulate public opinion (i.e. Hillary cry) a day or two before the election to steal voters from the opposite party.
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    Personally I think that everything is riding on NV. Ron makes a good showing here and I think it could turn the tides big time. He does nothing here and I don't know what he would have left.

    A lot of people I have been talking to have told me that if he could take first or second in a primary they would probably vote for him. The stupid wasted vote argument.

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    Plus, Ron Paul has campaigned here often. Right now, he is in Carson City and tomorrow will be here in Las Vegas... yesterday he was on Pahrump. On TV, the only commercials you see are Clinton, Obama, and Ron. No one else. The only competition here on the Republican side is Romney because Las Vegas is mostly mormon. However, like everyone else, I'm sure most of them are not that educated about the caucus...
    Last edited by lvp1138; 01-15-2008 at 12:11 AM.
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    I hope Paulites are gonna be on the lookout for trickery by the romney/mormon machine... how many party leadership posts does this faction hold in nevada?

    Quote Originally Posted by lvp1138 View Post
    Plus, Ron Paul has campaigned here often. Right now, he is in Carson City and tomorrow will be here in Las Vegas... yesterday he was on Pahrump. On TV, the only commercials you see are Clinton, Obama, and Ron. No one else. The only competition here on the Republican side is Romney because Las Vegas is mostly mormon. However, like everyone else, I'm sure most of them are not that educated about the caucus...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Give me liberty View Post
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    Would will ron paul Benefit from getting a win from Nevada. ...
    It would give him a win before Super Tuesday. That's the important thing - the campaign thinks (rightly, IMO) that in order for him to be taken seriously by the Super Tuesday voters, he needs to prove himself by actually winning a state, instead of spreading things too thin between many states resulting in a bunch of 4th or 5th place finishes.

    With that in mind, put yourself in the campaign's shoes: You're looking at the states before Super Tuesday that you would like to win, each diminishing in importance the closer to Feb. 5th they get:

    -Iowa's too populist to win and all the campaigns will be investing heavily in this state, so don't make your stand there.
    -NH is too hotly-contested and too much of a circus, and on top of that, OLFD is all over it. It would be nice to do well, it's not winnable, so HQ doesn't want to divert as much in terms of resources there.
    -MI is wide open so why not go for it (I have no idea why they didn't).
    -SC is going to vote for a) a pastor or b) country hokum, neither of which RP has going for him. They lost half their delegates anyway. They actually have 10 fewer delegates than:
    -NV has a nice small voting base that you can flip to/inundate with new RP supporters, and being a gambling state, they don't like gov't regulation. No other campaign is going to pay attention to Nevada either. This has real promise.

    After NV, you have even fewer options:

    -Louisiana: same as SC.
    -Hawaii: Long-ass caucus schedule in the middle of the Pacific that you need to play inside-baseball to have a shot at. Their results won't even be decided until the afternoon of Feb. 5th anyway. Not worth it.
    -Florida: Florida's a giant zoo to begin with, AND Giuliani's dumped mega-mega-bucks into winning it... would take all the funds in the bank and then some to even have a shot at this: not worth it.
    -Maine: Long enough (12 days) after good showing in NV to build up a good operation, if they choose to.

    After Maine, it's Super Tuesday.

    So, given the options, Nevada is the state most ripe for going for RP before the Feb. 5th bonanza. He just needs to prove that he's a real contender on Saturday, then they can respond appropriately between Saturday and Feb. 5.

    For all of HQ's faults, given what they have to work with, I think that's a sound strategy, aside from Michigan of course.
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    -MI is wide open so why not go for it (I have no idea why they didn't).
    Michigan also lost half of their delegates.

    Nevada now has 34 delegates to Michigan's 30.

    -MI is a large state both by population & area (so ya gotta spend a lot of $$$ for those votes), while NV might be large area-wise, it's population is mostly concentrated in two areas
    -Mitt Romney's dad was Governor of MI, so we know he's got organization...he's also spending a ton of dough there
    -NV has a long standing libertarian streak
    -NV has never had a caucus before (which scares people out of participating )
    -NV has never been this early in the primary rotation before (so ppl aren't ready for it, driving turnout down even more )
    -No-one besides Romney is doing anything or spending any money here, and even Romney's not spending on TV, and while the whole crew of pretenders is pummeling SC, we have NV pretty much all to ourselves....

    ...and there ya have it.
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    I think the michigan decision was sound cause it gave them a head start to really bash ROmney in Nevada, cause Romney is tying to be sneaky about Nevada too.
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    If Ron wins Nevada we are in business.. BIG Business !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lvp1138 View Post
    Plus, Ron Paul has campaigned here often. Right now, he is in Carson City and tomorrow will be here in Las Vegas... yesterday he was on Pahrump. On TV, the only commercials you see are Clinton, Obama, and Ron. No one else. The only competition here on the Republican side is Romney because Las Vegas is mostly mormon. However, like everyone else, I'm sure most of them are not that educated about the caucus...
    What a Blunder and waste of RESOURCES... in CARSON CITY.

    1.) No Big ads in the newspapers announcing RON PAUL and INVITES for ALL, STUDENTS, UNDECIDED VOTERS, INDEPENDENTS and DEMOCRATS, hey, EVERYONE; to meet Ron Paul, ask your questions and get your answers.

    2.) Spend a whole day and a ton of resources on a TOO SMALL COFFEE SHOP, with too much ambient noise, etc etc... we locals call it COMMA's COMMIE COFFEE. Spending time calling people all around

    3.) Miss opportunities at much better locations and the timing (3PM) bad for any 9-6pm worker, ie (The DMV and state workers across the street wanted to meet RP and ask questions, but had to work)... I talked to many that couldn't make it because of work... what were the RP Staff/Grassroots thinking?

    4.) So what's next on the campaign trail?... we move up to "CHUCKY CHEESE" by weekend and spend tons of resources and time to have another out of sync planning?
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