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    Default Is Susan Rice (Obama's foreign policy advisor) related to Condi Rice?

    Just wondering. You can see an interview w/ her featured now on therealnews.com
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    well that would be funny since Obama is related to Dick Cheney.. And no, Im not kidding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Mitrosky View Post
    well that would be funny since Obama is related to Dick Cheney.. And no, Im not kidding.
    seriously?
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    Quote Originally Posted by constituent View Post
    Just wondering. You can see an interview w/ her featured now on therealnews.com
    Still looking. She is a member of the CFR.

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    i find her hand in this report quite interesting.


    and i love this quote:

    In every post-conflict situation there is a short window of opportunity—a "golden hour"—when outside actors can potentially shape a foreign country's trajectory.


    from this article she helped pen.
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    oh yea, and what about the pharmaceutical factory that was bombed by clinton during her tenure as asst. sec. of state for african affairs?????


    you know, the one in THE SUDAN that was supposedly making VX, but it later came out that not only was it not making VX, it was actually


    "Germany's ambassador to Sudan, Werner Daum, was quoted in the August 31st issue of Der Spiegel as saying that the factory "mainly produces antibiotics, medicaments against diarrhoea and malaria, preparations for transfusions, and veterinary products."

    you'll find more info. on that here. i wonder how many children died from malaria and
    other treatable illnesses due to this crime and the associated lag in supplies?

    and here we see Barack talking about a need to intervene in the sudan....

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    here is another fun read, from a CFR task force that she worked with:

    Council Task Force Urges United States to Put Nation-building on Par with War-fighting
    Calls for Overhauling U.S. Government for Stabilization and Reconstruction Operations


    WASHINGTON - July 27 - Nation-building is not just a humanitarian concern, but a critical national security priority that should be on par with war-fighting, concludes an independent Council Task Force co-chaired by former national security advisors Samuel R. Berger and Brent Scowcroft. The report, In the Wake of War: Improving U.S. Post-Conflict Capabilities, argues that the United States must acknowledge that "War-fighting has two important dimensions: winning the war and winning the peace."

    The Task Force finds that "To succeed, initial military combat operations require advance planning and a substantial commitment of money and manpower. The same is true for the subsequent phase of conflict, commonly called nation-building, and known inside the Pentagon as 'stabilization and reconstruction.' The failure to take this phase of conflict as seriously as initial combat operations has had serious consequences for the United States, not just in Iraq but, more broadly, for international efforts to stabilize and rebuild nations after conflict."

    It continues, "In Iraq, pre-war inattention to post-war requirements-or simply misjudgments about them-left the United States ill-equipped to address public security, governance, and economic demands in the immediate aftermath of the conflict, seriously undermining key U.S. foreign policy goals and giving early impetus to the insurgency."

    The U.S. government is currently poorly organized for the task of nation-building. "The higher priority now accorded to nation-building has yet to be matched by a comprehensive policy or institutional capacity within the U.S. government to engage successfully in stabilization and reconstruction missions," the report says.

    The Task Force calls on the President to make clear that building America's capability to conduct stabilization and reconstruction operations will be a top foreign policy priority. The report recommends concrete ways for the U.S. government to organize to take on these challenges, including giving greater authority to the State Department.

    --"The National Security Advisor and his staff should be formally tasked with civilian-military coordination and establishing overarching policy associated with stabilization and reconstruction activities. This role should be codified in a new National Security Policy Directive, and knowledgeable, competent personnel assigned to fulfill this mandate."

    --"The President and the Secretary of Defense should firmly establish that stability operations are a strategic priority for the armed forces. Stability and reconstruction needs to be understood and treated as a mission as important to America's security as high-intensity combat operations."

    --"The State Department should lead all civilian efforts related to stabilization and reconstruction." While the NSC should lead coordination on civilian-military issues, "the Department of State must be empowered to manage and oversee implementation of policy in this area." Further, "The State Department coordinator should be elevated to an undersecretary of state-level position" and a reserve or contingency fund of $500 million should be established for this office.

    --"USAID would lead the day-to-day execution of the programs and activities on the ground." The report recommends creating "a Deputy Administrator for Stabilization and Reconstruction Operations at USAID."

    --The administration should "Establish coordinators for reconstruction-related programs in other agencies, including the Departments of Treasury, Commerce, Agriculture, Labor and Health and Human Services." Also, the administration should "Strengthen the capacity of the Intelligence Community to provide timely and effective information relating to the requirements of stabilization and reconstruction operations."

    --The United States should "Push to create a standing multilateral reconstruction Trust Fund, managed under the auspices of the Group of Eight
    (G8) industrialized nations." The report says that "The new fund would be capitalized at approximately $1 billion and managed by a donor board consisting of representatives from the G8 member states, the UN, the World Bank, and other contributing countries."

    The Task Force also notes that "demand for United Nations involvement in stabilization and reconstruction missions is straining the organization." The report says that "Member states must recognize that many UNSC-authorized missions may be more appropriately led by 'green helmeted' national forces than 'blue helmeted' ones." The report calls for linking Security Council mission approval to resource commitments by member states and establishing an assessment schedule for contributions to post-conflict reconstruction activities.

    The Task Force co-chairs and directors urge Congress to fund the President's FY 2006 budget request for the Conflict Response Fund as well as for the operations of the State Department's Office of the Coordinator for Reconstruction and Stabilization. Congress should also enact the administration's recent proposal to transfer up to $200 million in FY 2006 from DOD to the State Department in the case of an emergency that requires immediate reconstruction, security, or stabilization assistance.

    The Task Force is directed by retired Army Major General William L. Nash, Director of the Council's Center for Preventive Action. The deputy director is former National Security Council staffer Mona Sutphen of Stonebridge International.

    The report is available on the Council's website: http://www.cfr.org

    Independent Task Force on U.S. Post-Conflict Capabilities

    Samuel R. Berger (Co-Chair)
    Stonebridge International LLC

    Brent Scowcroft (Co-Chair)
    The Scowcroft Group

    William L. Nash (Director)
    Council on Foreign Relations

    Mona K. Sutphen (Deputy Director)
    Stonebridge International LLC

    Frederick D. Barton
    Center for Strategic & International Studies

    Peter Dexter Bell
    CARE USA

    Henry S. Bienen
    Northwestern University

    Hans Binnendijk
    National Defense University

    Antonia Handler Chayes
    The Fletcher School

    Jock Covey
    Bechtel Corporation

    Ivo H. Daalder
    The Brookings Institution

    James F. Dobbins
    RAND

    Shepard L. Forman
    Center on International Cooperation

    Bob Graham

    Chuck Hagel
    U.S. Senate

    John J. Hamre
    Center for Strategic & International Studies

    Jane Harman
    U.S. House of Representatives

    Robert D. Hormats
    Goldman, Sachs & Co.

    David A. Lipton
    Citigroup

    Susan E. Rice
    The Brookings Institution

    David Rieff
    World Policy Institute

    Kenneth Roth
    Human Rights Watch

    Michael A. Sheehan
    New York Police Department

    Walter B. Slocombe
    Caplin & Drysdale, Chartered

    Gordon R. Sullivan
    Association of the U.S. Army

    Fareed Zakaria
    Newsweek International
    you can find that here.

    I wonder if she or Barack would like to distance themselves from this sorta, nation-building on par w/ war fighting sentiment....

    or is Obama just another American Imperialist a la Bushco?
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    from Sudan.net:

    CONTINUING DISHONESTY ON SUDAN BY MADELEINE ALBRIGHT, SUSAN RICE et al

    Press Release/Commentary by ESPAC posted on April 20, 2002 at 07:06:02: EST (-5 GMT)

    CONTINUING DISHONESTY ON SUDAN BY MADELEINE ALBRIGHT, SUSAN RICE et al

    The European-Sudanese Public Affairs Council
    Date of Publication: 17 April, 2002

    In December 2001, 'Vanity Fair' published a devastating expose of the
    Clinton Administration's mishandling of repeated offers by the Sudanese
    government, some dating back to 1996, to provide Washington intelligence
    on terrorism - particularly with regard to the al-Qaeda terrorist
    network.(1) Part of what was offered to the Clinton Administration were
    several hundred Sudanese files on al-Qaeda and its members.(2) The
    Administration also passed up the opportunity of interrogating two al-
    Qaeda members who had clearly been involved in the 1998 bombings of the
    U.S. embassies in east Africa. In keeping with its very questionable
    Sudan policy (3), the Clinton Administration rejected all of Sudan's
    repeated offers. The implications of this studied indifference are
    clear. As 'Vanity Fair' stated: "September 11 might have been prevented
    if the U.S. had accepted Sudan's offers to share its intelligence files
    on Osama bin Laden and the growing al-Qaeda files." It had also earlier
    been revealed that in addition to offering the Clinton Administration
    intelligence on al-Qaeda, the Sudanese government had in 1996 also
    offered to extradite Osama bin-Laden - just as Khartoum had extradited
    the international terrorism known as "Carlos the Jackal" to France.(4)
    This offer was also rejected by the Clinton Administration.


    Unsurprisingly perhaps, prominent members of the Clinton
    Administration's foreign policy and national security team rejected the
    conclusions of the 'Vanity Fair' article, denying the sincerity of the
    offers. Madeleine Albright, the former US Secretary of State; Samuel
    Berger, the former national security adviser; Thomas Pickering, former
    undersecretary of state for political affairs; and Susan Rice, former
    assistant secretary of state for African affairs claimed that Osama bin
    Laden had been involved in an attempted attack on U.S. forces in Yemen
    in 1992; had assisted with attacks on U.S. forces in Mogadishu in 1993;
    had "financed" the first attack on the World Trade Center in 1993; and
    had "planned and prepared a car-bomb attack on U.S. soldiers in Saudi
    Arabia" in 1995. (5) Susan Rice has also attempted to address her badly
    damaged reputation in, of all places, the May 2002 edition of 'Elle'
    magazine.

    There are three points that should be made.

    Firstly, the Clinton Administration, and its officials, have long shown
    remarkable dishonesty with regard to Sudan, especially regarding its
    claims of Sudanese involvement in terrorism. Former US President Jimmy
    Carter was able to ascertain that the Clinton Administration's 1993
    listing of Sudan as a "state sponsor of terrorism" was not based, as it
    should have been, on strict legal criteria but rather on the basis of
    "allegations".(6) This set the tone for all future Clinton
    Administration claims about Sudan and terrorism. Albright, Berger,
    Pickering and Rice also accepted at face value over one hundred
    intelligence reports alleging Sudanese involvement in terrorism which
    were subsequently discarded as having been false.(7) It is unclear how
    many of their subsequent claims about Sudan are similarly muddled or
    just deliberately dishonest.


    Secondly, when challenged as to why the Clinton Administration passed up
    on the offer of bin Laden's extradition, Samuel Berger stated: "In the
    United States, we have this thing called the Constitution, so to bring
    him here is to bring him into the justice system. I don't think that was
    our first choice." (8) Surely, if any of their subsequent claims about
    bin Laden's involvement in terrorism against American interests from
    1992 through to 1995, as laid out in their response to the 'Vanity Fair'
    article, were true why did the Clinton Administration not jump at the
    chance of his extradition in 1996?


    Thirdly, for all the attempts by his advisers to downplay the sincerity
    of the Sudanese offers, the simple fact is that former President Clinton
    displayed considerable courage in describing the refusal to accept
    Sudan's 1996 offer as "the biggest mistake" of his presidency.(9) Rather
    than desperately trying to distance themselves from their role in
    Clinton's "biggest mistake", his national security and foreign affairs
    team should have the courage to admit that their advice to the president
    was simply wrong. Those who advised him to ignore Sudan's offers,
    Albright, Berger, Pickering and Rice, are ultimately responsible for
    putting their deeply questionable Sudan policy and spin before the
    national security of their own country. They were all party to one of
    the most serious foreign policy failures in American history. Had they
    not put spin before truth the events of 11 September may well not have
    happened.



    Notes


    1 "The Osama Files", 'Vanity Fair', December 2001, pp 50-55.
    2 These offers had also been documented in "Resentful West Spurned
    Sudan's Key Terror Files", 'The Observer' (London), 30 September 2001,
    and "US Rejected Sudanese Files on al-Qaeda", 'The Financial Times'
    (London), 30 November 2001.
    3 For a critique of the Clinton Administration's Sudan policy, see
    David Hoile, 'Farce Majeure: The Clinton Administration's Sudan Policy
    1993-2000', The European-Sudanese Public Affairs Council, London, 2000
    (available at www.espac.org).
    4 See, for example, "In '96, Sudan Offered to Arrest bin Laden",
    'International Herald Tribune', 4 October 2001.
    5 "Desperately Seeking Sudan", 'Vanity Fair', March 2002, p.34-35.
    6 'The Independent' (London), 17 September 1993.
    7 See, "Decision to Strike Factory in Sudan Based Partly on
    Surmise", 'The Washington Post', 21 September 1998; and "Sudan Attack
    Blamed on US Blunders", 'The Times' (London), 22 September 1998.
    8 See, "'96, Sudan Offered to Arrest bin Laden", 'International
    Herald Tribune', 4 October 2001.
    9 "US Missed Three Chances to Seize Bin Laden", 'The Sunday Times
    (London), 6 January 2002.
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    Why Darfur Can't Be Left to Africa


    her words, not mine.
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    How about this:


    All Things Considered, October 4, 2006 Some foreign policy analysts are calling for military action to stop genocide in Sudan. Susan Rice says Sudan will only respond to the threat of an attack; and if an attack is necessary, she advocates bombing strategic targets like airfields and blockading Sudan's port.

    Rice says the United States has the moral responsibility to stop genocide wherever it occurs.

    Melissa Block talks with Rice, a fellow at the Brookings Institution and a former Assistant Secretary of State in the Clinton administration
    that's from NPR's program All Things Considered. You can listen to that interview here.
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    Rice Caught in Iran-Contra-Style Capers:

    right here
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    Wow - you really need to publish all that in an article. Wonder if you could get it in The Atlantic or something like that?
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    if i thought anyone would publish something i wrote, i'd write it up and submit it somewhere...

    this is probably the best i can do though, help spread the word!
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    visibility bump.

    no one has additional info out there?
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    You have my support for writing that all up together and reposting right here.
    Many many people lurk these boards and get Enlightened.
    Good job.

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    bump for the weekend.

    thanks dieseler (that made my day!), i'm going to write a consolidated report this weekend and post
    it up here in the general politics section when i'm doine.
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    bump for the newscycle. please incorporate this when possible.
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