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http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=86990
The post that started that thread should be forwarded...very good constructive criticism.
The campaign just sent out a note about a new grassroots coordinator and blog
http://people.ronpaul2008.com/campaign-updates But when I tried to post a comment it wasn't allowed. They should enable the comments function so we can post the suggestions there that we are posting here.
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Bring up the issues no-one wants to look at: Guanatanamo; Abu Ghraib; Birth Defects in Middle Eastern nuclear contaminated babies (show photos...this is what we do to our 'enemy' babies, not to mention compromising the DNA of our own troops)
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...+birth+defects
Last edited by raiha; 01-11-2008 at 03:33 PM.
The world does not consist of a throng of geniuses. WilliamBanzai7
Please, please, please,please...
Slow down when answering questions in the debate. Complete sentences and stay focused on target subject. I've heard Jesse Benton say that Ron's message cannot be communicatd in 30 second sound bites. Well you better find a way, you only have 30 seconds!
He must bring the hay down from the loft so the sheeple can understand. i.e.The average American does not have a clue what 'Austrian economics" means.
It's been said and I agree, the true genuis is the one who can explain very complicated subjects in a very plain way. Ronald Reagan was great at this! This has to be done.
Go Ron!
Craig
Get on Howard Stern.
Depending on audience, avoid using "Austrian economics" without a clear, layman's explanation of what that is.
Surround yourself with a team of EXPERTS to help market and package your benefits effectively.
Whatever else happens, my own suggestion would be that Dr. Paul immediately hire an impartial ombudsman--ideally someone who:
- Has experience in Republican presidential campaigns;
- Shares and can articulate Dr. Paul's philosophy in a way that makes it meaningful to the average American;
- Understands the bewildering array of grassroots constitutencies supporting Dr. Paul; and
- Who can command their respect.
That person should be given full authority to implement swiftly the best constructive criticism received from the grassroots. Whatever managerial problems there are with the campaign, they must be addressed now--whatever that requires.
3) not hammering fascism enough
4) not hammering the prison-industrial complex enough
5) not talking about personal charity enough
6) when you're excluded by a network from a debate early
in the week, don't show up to their other debate later in the week.
now people will remember 'how gracious fox was to let him in
to that debate after all' (yes... i realize)
six isn't that big of a deal, but it turned a win into a loss which is unfortunate.
Dude, I'm rich! Check out this tin can! Uber wealth, ftw!
My review of the For Liberty documentary:
digg.com/d315eji
(please Digg and post comments on the HuffPost site)
"This political train-wreck Republicans face can largely be traced to Bush’s philosophical metamorphosis from a traditional, non-interventionist conservative to the neoconservatives’ exemplar of a 'War President', and his positioning of the Republicans as the 'War Party'."
Nicholas Sanchez on Bush's legacy, September 30, 2007.
Point taken. You know I'm a fan of yours and have enjoyed your support and working with you.
However, the fact remains, Joe Seehusen, Joe Becker, Mike McHugh, and Kent Snyder (not sure how many others) are four of the top people running the campaign and their experience and orientation are more towards the LP than Republican presidential primary politics.
Last edited by Bradley in DC; 01-11-2008 at 04:56 PM.
My review of the For Liberty documentary:
digg.com/d315eji
(please Digg and post comments on the HuffPost site)
"This political train-wreck Republicans face can largely be traced to Bush’s philosophical metamorphosis from a traditional, non-interventionist conservative to the neoconservatives’ exemplar of a 'War President', and his positioning of the Republicans as the 'War Party'."
Nicholas Sanchez on Bush's legacy, September 30, 2007.
Ron Paul has a wonderful message of freedom and everyone needs to hear it, but I think that sometimes he gets so excited about getting the message out that he ends up talking past many people. At times, especially during debates Dr. Paul tends to speak a little too quickly, and he uses very intelligent references that most people are too uneducated to pick up on. Hell, I'm a pretty smart guy and there are some things that I don't get.
my thoughts:
1. speak at a normal rate and at a normal tone. I think at times Dr. Paul turns people off when his voice gets high pitched and he talks fast. His message is already pretty different than most people are used to hearing, so he needs to package it as well as he can.
2. most people are stupid. when talking about the economy, don't talk about Austrian Economics. I think it may scare the morons.
3. continuing on the "most people are stupid" theme - when talking about the war or Israel or some other topic that so desperately needs change, he should make simple points, maybe come up with some quick one-liners, and don't over-talk and confuse the simpletons.
Ron Paul needs to be heard and understood by the masses, so he needs to speak on their level. Stupid people are intimidated by smart people, so even though everyone knows he is much smarter than they are, he should try to speak to them on simple terms.
These are my thoughts on the subject, for what they're worth. And maybe Sean Hannity will be severly mangled in a one car cliff dive and forever wish he had been nicer to the one man who can help save America.
The original post is here: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=86990
1. Recognize that Dr. Paul is running against George Bush first and that this must be overcome.
2. Learn to make the message more succinct. The message is right, but it takes far too long to say it. A summary of Austrian economics is not necessary in every answer.
3. BE SPECIFIC. How much does closing 700 military bases save? How can it help reduce the deficit?
4. Supporters should not tie in their personal agenda to the campaign.
5. The message must get out of the blogosphere.
6. Changes at HQ.
A. Hire an articulate African American lady to be the campaign spokesperson. Put Kent behind a wall.
B, C, D. Communicate with the grassroots.
E. Fire the campaign leadership.
7. Fix the ads; no more crappy ones.
8 and 9 are for supporters
10. Walter E Williams for running mate and announce now.
[QUOTE=Bradley in DC;929032]Point taken.
Personally, they don't have a clue. especially Jesse Benton he's totally the absolute worst idiot at best!!!
Last edited by Henry; 01-11-2008 at 09:19 PM.
Take this conversation to another level. Can we do anything about this, or not?
I need some canvassing material that targets issues that concern minorities and those living in poverty specifically. ASAP!!!!!
Some ideas:
- Appoint a grassroots coordinator/liaison ( already done ) - Check
- Review Official Campaign organization and expand/supplement/overhaul it to ensure to have a top notch org that actively engages with media and prospective voters
- Have ads that are consistent with RP message, better quality and content
- Improve coordination with grassroots, recruit talent from grassroots if needed
- Be as aggressive as RP was in last debate, they respect you more when you fight back
- Message of Change and Hope works, Fear message candidates are dropping out. Highlight message of change and hope
- Constantly review grassroots created campaigning materials and put up quality, selected material ( print brochures, youtube vid ads etc) on some special server for all to access/download and print from a single point
Last edited by Liberty Star; 01-11-2008 at 09:34 PM.
Save our generation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOc7O9_Ux_8
Ron Paul Ad - Something Big
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPjTAH8Y_L8
Don't be that girl
http://youtube.com/watch?v=PCSTHykU8dU
Ron Paul For President TV Ad (Remix)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Med926aDBoc
"Ron Paul Is"
http://youtube.com/watch?v=h8mMTa79Uzc
RON PAUL AD - "Awesome!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_gKOCb4QBA
For Liberty
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAFzsY_30Fw
Ron Paul 2008: Just Come Home
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GG4PPSFHVJw
Dear Politicians
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqR7Udk1jQY (maybe)
I Support Ron Paul TV Ad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRLrl9eDUk8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGgUUtZ0G-0
Once In A Lifetime
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hibEnvAQ4Y (maybe)
Who is Ron Paul?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Pyr_nqQtvs (maybe)
Lighthouse
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfgzx8Tgg0E (maybe)
Veterans for Ron Paul
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gt_eHXZ8qbU
Ron
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEfqrMvMEJo
Ron Paul: The Forgotten Wounded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-h3fbu2vv8
cut down to a minute or 30 seconds
War ends, troops finally home, Thanks Dr. Ron ... commercial
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNZgeYnpPDU
Something like this but better.
Ron Paul 30 Sec Spot - American Liberty Coalition PAC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLBI35aswAM
Ron Paul ad animation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE77ooE5_Eo
Needs better picture.
RON PAUL: THE GREAT ESCAPE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kq90G8OjXYI
Cut down to 30 seconds or minute with the great ron paul blimp shot
Livingston County, Michigan for Ron Paul (12/22)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_C2I0lKQ6g
last minute or so looks good, can add content
I want a President consistent
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHgRbvJuzUE
cut down to 30 seconds
In the beginning there was peace.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDx96SXR-6U
1:50 mark and have a minute ad from there.
Anything from this guy
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=jblackpost
Last edited by angrydragon; 01-12-2008 at 02:54 AM.
“I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.” - Thomas Jefferson
Ron needs to start "speaking" to the people. Im just a Canadian but from here it seems that alot of what he says could and probably is going right over the average persons head, or just a tad too much for them to handle so they tune him out. He needs to spoon feed people, speak slower and break it down into something they can chew on. I know Ron is smart enough to know the best way to dumb it down just a bit so it makes sense to people. I know when it does finally make sense, something is triggered in the brain and then they will end up on this forum. The message is there, it has to be spoon fed.
That reply at the SC debate, to the question on electability. Ron answered that question in kind of a "full circle" way. He lured you into listening, spoke slowly, it all made sense, and it showed the lunacy of it all.
Borrow money from China, give it to Pakistan, which has a Dictator who we like, that took control of the democratic government, we get involved in wars, our soldiers die..... protecting democracy.... in Iraq.
That was spoon fed perfectly.
Not sure if this was mentioned, but get a well-tailored suit. Dr. Paul, your jacket looks like it's too big for you, it puffs up too much.
Last edited by angrydragon; 01-12-2008 at 01:27 PM.
“I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.” - Thomas Jefferson
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Thanks for the list of ads from the grassroots!
My review of the For Liberty documentary:
digg.com/d315eji
(please Digg and post comments on the HuffPost site)
"This political train-wreck Republicans face can largely be traced to Bush’s philosophical metamorphosis from a traditional, non-interventionist conservative to the neoconservatives’ exemplar of a 'War President', and his positioning of the Republicans as the 'War Party'."
Nicholas Sanchez on Bush's legacy, September 30, 2007.
I don't think the grassroots ads are the answer - the campaign can make its own ads targeting the demographics that should being studied as we speak 24/7 by a competent experience republican strategist sitting alongside a guru advertising director and associated team of production and copy staff to fashion the new media strategy.
(P.S. as someone else mentioned do voiceovers in the local dialect/accents - it's not like a voice over person is that hard to find or needs to agree with the message to do a voice over...)
I think the biggest trends being expressed in this thread are
1. Hire gurus - republican gurus - presidential gurus - and utilize the republican apparatus, the grassroots is inexperienced and too few in number and often off-putting to the blue-hair republicans who do actually vote, often ill-informed votes, but votes nonetheless.
2. Communicate better - to the grassroots - to the media - and a create a polished simplified direct short to the point and 'this is what i will do for you' and 'i am the person to make this happen' manner - and do it with a new polished "I'm the president and damn do I look good doing it" attire, attitude, authority, and clarity.
3. spend the money and get results - GET RESULTS!
4. make materials available - there is absolutely no reason why things like slim jims are not available, hire a company like amazon or UPS to obtain production abilities and handle ordering, shipping, and logistics.
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