The Rise of the Constitution Party!

[FrankRep]

The Republican Party has lost my vote completely after this election. We need a third party that can compete in a two party system. I choose The Constitution Party as a possible third party candidate.

What do you think?

Imagine if after this election all the Ron Paul supporters joined the Constitution Party.


The Constitution Party
http://www.constitutionparty.com/

[Richie]

Obviously, this issue will be bitterly divided. While I have a lot of respect for the Constitution Party (attended Michael Peroutka's victory party in 2004), I think that the Libertarian Party would be a better match for Paul. Of course, I'm not discouraging you from joining the CP.

[Sematary]

The Constitution pary has too much GOD in it for me and the LP, whom I've been a follower of for years, doesn't ever seem to do anything. We need a party with balls and one that understands the constitution and the message of freedom. I nominate naming it the Freedom Party and asking Ron Paul to join as it's premier member as soon as he gets elected president.
Na - never mind. Goddam media won't allow third parties to win.

[itshappening]

there's no point with the 3rd parties, they take 0.5% of the vote, it's not worth the hassle

get infiltrating the GOP, that's where the energy and effort should be

[RollOn2day]

Freedom, Peace and Prosperity is worth the hassle.

[itshappening]

Freedom, Peace and Prosperity is worth the hassle.

it wont make a difference via a 3rd party

infiltrating the GOP makes a greater difference

[Sematary]

there's no point with the 3rd parties, they take 0.5% of the vote, it's not worth the hassle

get infiltrating the GOP, that's where the energy and effort should be

Can't do it. Registering as a Republican made bile rise in my throat. I can't WAIT to rip THAT dagger out of my heart and become an Independent again.

[RoyalShock]

The Constitution pary has too much GOD in it for me and the LP, whom I've been a follower of for years, doesn't ever seem to do anything. We need a party with balls and one that understands the constitution and the message of freedom. I nominate naming it the Freedom Party and asking Ron Paul to join as it's premier member as soon as he gets elected president.
Na - never mind. Goddam media won't allow third parties to win.

While I agree with Dr. Paul that we don't have enough democracy here for a 3rd party, I don't think you need to discount the Constitution Party due to God. It's a naturual fit because the Constitution has so much synergy with the bible, in that a constitutional government allows a Christian to follow his faith to the fullest. The CP is really not much different than Ron Paul's positions.

If there were to be a true 3rd-party movement, the CP is a logical choice. It already has over 350,000 registered voters.

[MJfromCT]

I support the Constitution Party over the Libertarian Party as The Constitution provides a much more clear platform. Unfortunately, Libertarians are perceived as being very divided and sometimes as anarchists. It is not as easy to attack a message or the messengers of the most cherished document of our country. But, either way it is too early in the fight to worry about this in my opinion. It is time to start flexing some muscle with OUR money. If Ron Paul's message is as powerful as we believe it to be then new money will roll in ten fold with the much needed new exposure.

[Original_Intent]

It's back to the CP for me when this is all over. I certainly will support any Repub or Democrat that is correct on principle. I like the LP too, but don't agree with their position on abortion.

[RollOn2day]

Yes, infiltrate the GOP.....and the Dems....and the independents.....

But to throw hands up in defeat when the GOP does the GOP thing.....is like getting upset that water runs downhill. This has all the earmarks (sorry!) of a historic run to the white house via a third party.

I don't care that it has never worked before. I'm with Ron Paul until I vote for him in November.

Wouldn't you vote for him if he runs third party?

[RoyalShock]

Yes, infiltrate the GOP.....and the Dems....and the independents.....

But to throw hands up in defeat when the GOP does the GOP thing.....is like getting upset that water runs downhill. This has all the earmarks (sorry!) of a historic run to the white house via a third party.

I don't care that it has never worked before. I'm with Ron Paul until I vote for him in November.

Wouldn't you vote for him if he runs third party?

I'll vote for him whether he runs 3rd party or not.

[BuddyRey]

Some of the CP platform appeals to me, but a great deal of it doesn't. They're right up there with the Republicans as far as supporting a moralist Christian theocracy.

[Bison]

I am a member of the CP. There are some differences between the CP and LP but they agree most of the time. If the two parties were smart they would team up and support each others candidates when they can't vote for their own. Thats what I do personally.

The two big parties love to see all of us third parties spread about. They know that as long as we wont join with each other, we can't remove them from power. The beauty of Ron Paul is that he already has the support of both the LP and the CP. There is no reason, why our two parties should not join together and support Dr. Paul as well as local candidates.

The main problem with third parties is that they don't have media or funds. Well the RP revolution already proved that it can raise the funds and fight for media attention. If this does not go the way that we all hope it does, then we would be idiots not to ban together and take back our country. Together we can start knocking Repubs and Dems out of office. Start local and work our way up.

The last thing we need is to start yet another "third party".

Regardless of what happens in this Primary season, both the Constitution Party and The Libertarian Party should run Ron Paul as their presidential candidate.

We have in front of us the opportunity of a lifetime. We can't let the elites keep it from us.

Do not give up.

Fight.

[Johncjackson]

I am not a Consitutionalist. I am a libertarian. I think the Ron Paul movement has room for both.

[Alex Libman]

Libertarian

[unloud]

I think it would be more important to set up a council of people that support the constitution. There are people from many different parties that support the constitution foremost and have different beliefs on basic policies (like Kucinich and Dr. Paul) and so to be able to have such a council that crosses party lines we could eventually rival the CFR.

[ixeos]

Honestly I think RP should either go Independent, or form a brand-new (viable) 3rd party. Call it the "Federalist" party (George Washington's party)... and get the support of both LP and CP pplz. Get Pat Buchanan as his running mate.


The req'ments for 3rd party candidates however, completely suck. You have to have 15% of the "pre-poll vote" in order to get in the debates.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_party_(United_States)


I'm just sick right now... and dunno what to do.

[Ogren]

The constitution party is a theocratic party. If anything go libertarian or independent.

[NorwegianLibertarian]

They are against gambling, drugs and pornography... Libertarian party is 10x better.

[curtisag]

Ron Paul would be the first to tell you that 3rd parties can't win. The system is rigged in favor of 2 parties. Either reform the Republican party from within or don't waste your time.

[RoyalShock]

Some of the CP platform appeals to me, but a great deal of it doesn't. They're right up there with the Republicans as far as supporting a moralist Christian theocracy.

I've recently read a good deal of their platform. While they do cite God and a Creator as a fundamental reason for a few positions (such as enforcing obscenity laws), it usually falls mostly in line with a general position of individual liberty. The major exceptions are abortion, which they feel should be illegal at the federal and state level - and drugs.

Who is going to find the perfect party to align themselves with 100%? Not only that, party platforms can change.

[RoyalShock]

They are against gambling, drugs and pornography... Libertarian party is 10x better.

Actually, they are against government funding/support of gambling. They don't like it, but their policy does not prohibit it.

They also aren't expressly against pornography (in terms of legislation), but do support enforcement of current obscenity laws and encourage personal and corporate responsibility as well as local entities to maintain community standards.

[NorwegianLibertarian]

Actually, they are against government funding/support of gambling. They don't like it, but their policy does not prohibit it.

They also aren't expressly against pornography (in terms of legislation), but do support enforcement of current obscenity laws and encourage personal and corporate responsibility as well as local entities to maintain community standards.

Oh really?

Pornography, at best, is a distortion of the true nature of sex created by God for the procreative union between one man and one woman in the holy bonds of matrimony, and at worst, is a destructive element of society resulting in significant and real emotional, physical, spiritual and financial costs to individuals, families and communities. We call on our local, state and federal governments to uphold our cherished First Amendment right to free speech by vigorously enforcing our laws against obscenity to maintain a degree of separation between that which is truly speech and that which only seeks to distort and destroy.

With the advent of the Internet and the benevolent neglect of the previous administrations, the pornography industry enjoyed uninhibited growth and expansion until the point today that we live in a sex-saturated society where almost nothing remains untainted by its perversion. While we believe in the responsibility of the individual and corporate entities to regulate themselves, we also believe that our collective representative body we call government plays a vital role in establishing and maintaining the highest level of decency in our community standards.
http://www.constitutionparty.com/par...hp#Pornography

[RoyalShock]

Like I said, enforcement of current obscenity laws.

As for the last part, I interpret "government plays a vital role" as being state and local. But I could equally see others interpreting it differently.

My overall point is that they aren't expressly calling for federal legislation to ban all forms of pornography. But I admit, they are walking a tight-rope.

[Bison]

No one is going to Ban your perversion or vice. They call for enforcing the standards that have been set by the community. If you want a community with looser standards you can always move to Province Town. You wouldn't be for forcing porn and gambling on a community that did not want it would you?

But you guys are missing the big picture. We are talking about getting some candidates other than Dems and Repubs elected. Getting a handful of constitutionalists elected will not deprive you of your porn or casinos. But it will be a start at getting this nation on the right track. We need to get people who believe in the Constitution into government or we as a nation are sunk. Then it won't matter what party you were apart of because we will all be in the same hole.

Remember what the big issues are.
Monetary policy
Foreign policy
Civil liberties
FREEDOM.

After we have taken back our country you can fight over Porn and Gambling.

Peace.

[RoyalShock]

Bison, that is a good way to look at it.

But for the record, I am still in Dr. Paul's camp that a legitimate 3rd-party isn't viable right now. I think it will be an easier fight to pull back the Republican party. When they realize they aren't going to win any major elections as long as they continue moving to the left and ignoring the Constitution, they'll have to change.

[Talldude1412]

You guys just don't get it. Ron Paul's positions were the positions of the republicans 20 years ago, and they pay lip service to it still! The ONLY MAJOR QUALM most republicans have with Dr. Paul is foreign policy (of course we could also go into expansion of fed power and spending, but repubs aren't SUPPOSED to do that and many are pissed that they are).

Here's the deal. The vast spread of the current republican base are either people who grew up during the 60s or were told about it by their parents. They are the people who may or may not have supported Vietnam for containment reasons, but also see the "anti-war" movement that led to both incredible disrespect of our nations troops, and the cultural morality previous to that. They liken movements that don't support any nation our war is in to that experience (unless its a war waged by a democrat). The republican party is RIPE for the taking, we are just being ineffective at doing so. Rush Limbaugh for god sakes has been increasingly nostalgic about the good ol days of Goldwater Conservatism.

It will not be an easy effort, and I hope that those of you who do drop the party after the election keep an eye out for the rise of other Ron Paul - like republicans (and even some support would be nice). And in the same respect, if your 3rd parties field candidates like Paul, you can expect my support.

[runderwo]

No one is going to Ban your perversion or vice. They call for enforcing the standards that have been set by the community. If you want a community with looser standards you can always move to Province Town. You wouldn't be for forcing porn and gambling on a community that did not want it would you?

Your view (and the view of the CP) contradicts the notion that all men are created equal, with inalienable rights, among these Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. My perversion and vice (i.e. my pursuit of Happiness) when harmless, and especially when in private among consenting adults, does not affect your rights at all. It is you who chooses to take offense to it, and the CP advocates that the government violate my rights on your behalf because my behavior was not up to your standards.

That is a tyranny of the prudes, those who create laws for others in their head and expect them to be enforced on their say-so.

At the extreme, the CP's view of government would deem a law about napkin usage and utensil placement to be a legitimate use of government force. Oh, and no slurping of your soup, you barbarian!

[Cleaner44]

Libertarian all the way.