I thought Ron had a strong chance of getting nominated by the floor, but the RNC corruption prevented that. I am done with the G.O.P. because of this. They are tyrants! If Ron doesn't run third party, what do you guys think about the Constitution Party?
They're not liberty lovers. At all.
They're for the War on Drugs. They're against homosexuals. They're against pornography. They want to legislate morality.
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Wow, never knew that. Why are they a separate party then? Sounds like they'd fit right in with Republicans.
Ballot access issues.
The problem with the CP is the same as the LP and for that matter any minor party. They do not have people within the party structure that have the ability, means or resume to be elected to office. While ballot access can be an issue in some states, in most locales you can get a candidate on the ballot - the problem though is having a candidate that is well known and respected enough to get enough votes in the general election to win the race. In my opinion, even if the ballot access laws were less restrictive, they still wouldn't be able to field a viable candidate simply because the membership of the party (in large part) is made up of people without political experience.
For example the guy they have here running for US House has never held an elected office before. From his bio he states that he served on some town council boards, but talking with some of my friends here no one seems to know who he is. So basically you have a unknown candidate with little to no political experience trying to get 150,000 votes. He ran before and got around 2000 votes. My guess is he will get the same this time as well.
Honestly, I don't know why people are so hung up on labels and parties. There are thousands of liberty-minded people already elected into office under the GOP banner. With a little hard work we can easily hold a majority in most (if not all) state parties and completely reshape the political landscape. All it takes is the willingness and the ability to run for office yourself. County committee seats are the easiest elected office to win, as it usually requires only a few hundred votes to win the seat, and your campaign area is limited to your own precinct. If every RP supporter who is truly dedicated to seeing the advance of the principles that we hold dear would run for committee seats we would be able to completely replace the RNC with our folks in a few years.
I was just doing some checking, and it seems Chuck Baldwin isn't with the "Constitution Party" anymore. He's moved over to the "Reform Party" now.
It's too bad. They get it right on a lot of things but then blow it on things like:
"We call on our local, state and federal governments to uphold our cherished First Amendment right to free speech by vigorously enforcing our laws against obscenity to maintain a degree of separation between that which is truly speech and that which only seeks to distort and destroy."
Yeah... we need to protect free speech and the First Amendment by, um, banning speech we don't like.
But, a platform is just a platform, and it's important to look at people running for office as individuals.
If the GOP wanted to win, they should have nominated someone who can win.
"I think [Gary Johnson] is wonderful, and I think he's doing a good job, and people should look at him...." -- Ron Paul
Gary Johnson Paul Fest speech.
He ran as a Republican in 2012 though as well. I think the Reform Party in KS just put him on the ballot as a preference over Andre Barnett. My guess is the four people that make up the Reform Party of Kansas didn't like Barnett.
Well personally, I think we should just start a new party and call it the Liberty party. We did start the tea party after all, just need rallys.
Because the Republicans are too socially moderate for their liking.
Actually you need money, infrastructure and candidates that have the political and civic resumes to win offices. Otherwise you are nothing more than a website and an idea.
Good post.
The war on drugs part isn't true. They're opposed to the federal war on drugs and don't take a position on state drug laws. If being "against homosexuals" means believing in traditional marriage, then I suppose they're "against homosexuals."
The CP supports a non interventionist foreign policy and opposes the Patriot Act. Sounds like a pretty big difference to me.
It's religiously motivated bull$#@!. Constitution Party? No thanks.
Thanks. It is really just a numbers game, that's all. This diversion to the LP, CP, some other party or whatever will just serve to weaken our effectiveness. If you have 10 liberty activists in your hometown and half are working at getting elected within the GOP and the other half are playing around in some third party that has zero chance of winning an election you lose half the people.
The LP, CP and every other minor party out there all had the same ideas that people here are kicking around. And they all failed. Ballot access is only a small reason for this. The major reasons is that they have little money, little structure and few (if any) people qualified to run for office.
I mean honestly, the "National HQ" of the Constitution Party is in Jim Clymer's law office in Lancaster, PA.
Not to pick on Clymer, but he has been doing this third party thing for many years. He ran in 92 as the LP candidate for Auditor General, Lt. Governor in 94 and 98, US Senate in 04 and now for VP. All of the offices are much bigger than the man himself. Instead, if he would have spent the last 20 years running in GOP races, he very well could be in a federal office by now.
Then why did Chuck Baldwin get Ron Pauls endorsement. And whats wrong with personally hating and being against homosexuals? As long as i am not hurting them, they can get married at a stupid church. by the way, i am trying to destroy marriage benefits here.
No. Sometimes Atheists hate it. I hate it. I got kicked out of a bookstore because of it.
I recommend the GOP. We have had ton of success locally. I like how they GOP leadership is putting money and volunteers behind our candidates.
Lifetime member of more than 1 national gun organization and the New Hampshire Liberty Alliance. Part of Young Americans for Liberty and Campaign for Liberty. Free State Project participant and multi-year Free Talk Live AMPlifier.
How could anyone not like homosexuals? Homosexuals are great! http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5gin7s5qMG8
Lifetime member of more than 1 national gun organization and the New Hampshire Liberty Alliance. Part of Young Americans for Liberty and Campaign for Liberty. Free State Project participant and multi-year Free Talk Live AMPlifier.
Uh, okay. From their platform:
The Constitution Party will uphold the right of states and localities to restrict access to drugs and to enforce such restrictions. We support legislation to stop the flow of illegal drugs into these United States from foreign sources. As a matter of self-defense, retaliatory policies including embargoes, sanctions, and tariffs, should be considered.
At the same time, we will take care to prevent violations of the Constitutional and civil rights of American citizens. Searches without probable cause and seizures without due process must be prohibited, and the presumption of innocence must be preserved.The law of our Creator defines marriage as the union between one man and one woman. The marriage covenant is the foundation of the family, and the family is fundamental in the maintenance of a stable, healthy and prosperous social order. No government may legitimately authorize or define marriage or family relations contrary to what God has instituted. We are opposed to amending the U.S. Constitution for the purpose of defining marriage.
We reject the notion that sexual offenders are deserving of legal favor or special protection, and affirm the rights of states and localities to proscribe offensive sexual behavior. We oppose all efforts to impose a new sexual legal order through the federal court system. We stand against so-called "sexual orientation" and "hate crime" statutes that attempt to legitimize inappropriate sexual behavior and to stifle public resistance to its expression. We oppose government funding of "partner" benefits for unmarried individuals. Finally, we oppose any legal recognition of homosexual unions.
We recognize that parents have the fundamental right and responsibility to nurture, educate, and discipline their children. We oppose the assumption of any of these responsibilities by any governmental agency without the express delegation of the parents or legal due process. We affirm the value of the father and the mother in the home, and we oppose efforts to legalize adoption of children by homosexual singles or couples.
Does their platform really matter? Is it even worth the time to debate over it? My golf league has more members than their national committee.
I pretty much always viewed them as the Bible Party.
“…I believe that at this point in history, the greatest danger to our freedom and way of life comes from the reasonable fear of omniscient State powers kept in check by nothing more than policy documents.”
http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php
One wonders if the constitution they have is the same one we have? I suppose they just interpret it differently.
Seriously, there is a lot of good stuff in their platform, and there is some dreck, and there is some whoa nellie...
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Sounds like something i would say circa 1968. Nev3ertheless, being a timelord really grows on you.
For some reason I just feel compelled to NOT click on that.
'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988
Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation
'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3
Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.
...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...
This is the main point that I've been trying to get across to those that have allowed the corruption @ the RNC get the best of them all the way down the line. I can see voting third party in races that we don't have a decent GOP candidate but to go off and become an activist in a third party pretty much results in the extreme lack of successes that you've been referring to. And I agree that ballot access is only one component of the ineffectiveness of third parties. And I've spent a decade toiling inside the LP so this isn't my first time to the rodeo. Now, not only am I, some of my family and local friends dually elected republican precinct delegates, our county chair, county rules chair, sergeant at arms and parliamentarian are Paul folk. Hence no shenanigans take place like we've seen elsewhere where we've made very little headway in restoring our local GOP. We're now in a position in many places in MI to use our new alliances with Tea Party conservatives to go after state leadership positions.
Someone else mentioned it earlier in this thread, but ballot access.
This year, their ballot access has gone to Hell. They're off the ballot in Texas, California, Pennsylvania, Oklahoma, Indiana, Illinois, and a few other states, and as it stands right now, they're coming close to dipping under 270 electoral votes.
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