Astrology: Charting the Rise of Ron Paul

[Ariondys]

Indeed, astrology books often suggest smearing planets forward one house when they are near the end of the house they are in. It all starts to force one to define words that astrology books don't define. Like the word orb. They offer a range of opinions.

A progressing Saturn seems like a smear, and how far does it progress. Is an orb big enough to capture any of the resultant smear. Planets usually progress forwards.

If made a computer generated chart of both charts. Nothing changes when I use 2 degree orb. It's a fairly detailed view, planets in signs, houses, aspects, 12 houses being ruled by the same 12 signs even. It may be something like 50 identical paragraphs.

If I rectified him without using a single date, I would in fact be correct over a range of minutes.

The biggest difference in the two times when you focus on tighter orbs like 0-1 degrees is the Mercury-Saturn aspects to the angles.

You can have Mercury and Saturn square the Midheaven
or
You can have them opposite on the Ascendant-Descendant axis

I read that this guy is Doctor No, to me that's the latter.

[Ariondys]

When I view his progressions. I see his progressed Saturn retrograde into the 6th house to square his Midheaven. I see his progressed Vesta retrograde to the Descendant and station there.

Ron Paul was 41 on his birthday, Aug 20 1976, during his 1st political office. He's been a politician since then.

Progressed Date | saturn | Vesta | date
-----------------------------------------------------------
30 Sep 1935 11:35:20 UT | 4 pi 42 Rx | 8 pi 40 Rx | 1976
05 Oct 1935 11:35:20 UT | 4 pi 25 Rx | 7 pi 57 Rx |
10 Oct 1935 11:35:20 UT | 4 pi 11 Rx | 7 pi 24 Rx |
15 Oct 1935 11:35:20 UT | 3 pi 58 Rx | 7 pi 4 Rx |
20 Oct 1935 11:35:20 UT | 3 pi 47 Rx | 6 pi 54 Rx | 1996
25 Oct 1935 11:35:20 UT | 3 pi 39 Rx | 6 pi 56 |
30 Oct 1935 11:35:20 UT | 3 pi 34 Rx | 7 pi 9 |
04 Nov 1935 11:35:20 UT | 3 pi 31 Rx | 7 pi 33 |
09 Nov 1935 11:35:20 UT | 3 pi 30 | 8 pi 7 | 2016
14 Nov 1935 11:35:20 UT | 3 pi 32 | 8 pi 51 | 2020

These progressions enter a 1 degree orb of Ron Paul's Ascendant and Midheaven: pSA=MC(3ge40) and pVesta=AS(7vi30) and remain 1 degree until 2020 due to stationing.

http://www.neptunecafe.com/vesta.html
Vesta's basic principle in the horoscope is to focus attention. Her house placement describes what she's focused on, and aspects to other planets and asteroids can enhance or distract from that objective.

Vesta was known as a symbol of protection for both the family and the state.
Consequently, her role in the horoscope has both a personal and transpersonal
meaning as the one who insures security for the people of our global village.

But notice that "Keeper of the Flame" is the exact signature of the Vesta
archetype. The ruthless underground faction is characteristic of Vesta's
political manifestation...

http://theinnerwheel.com/2011/05/20/...esta-part-two/
Bruce Springsteen: Vesta conjunct the Desc, in visionary Sag. His championing of "other", of the down and out and those who need a voice, is astrologically genuine.

[Ariondys]

The security of understanding that comes with astrology will allow you to proceed forward with less doubt and insecurity. Someone forgot to tell Santorum he's probably wasting money.

Rick Santorum
May 10 1958
Winchester, VA
39n11, 78w10

Time Uknown, transit to outer planets will be accurate since outer planets move very little in 1 day(1-2arcminutes/day.)
Transits are precession corrected for extra accuracy.

Jan 3rd 2012
Transit Jupiter trine Pluto(+/- 0-01)
This is one of those magical days where everyone does what you want and just cooperates with you for no apparent reason. And remember from a thread not far back I pointed out how Jupiter stationed over christmas. And Santorum tried to visit everyone in Iowa with Jupiter trining in Pluto(1/2 degree orb) for almost all of December, he'll keep up the pace for just a few more days, past Jan 10, Jupiter leaves this position.

Nov 5th-6th 2012
Transit Saturn conjunct Neptune(+/- 0-02)
Negative mood. A day of serious doubt. A tendency to look at life from the worst point of view. Aware of the all things you are afraid of. You may even get ill.

Ariondys

[MikefromSyracuse]

RP was in great spirits during his speech the night of the Iowa caucus. He may get the majority of Iowa delegates later due to the due diligence of his caucus supporters who will participate in the delegate choosing process.

A group of young college age people in Iowa were quoted by an ABC news reporter -- "this is just not a presidential campaign, this is a movement..."

The electoral (ephemeral) chart with a 5 planet stellium in 11th house (Porphyry system) indicates this theme.

I was going to attach an image of the this chart with transits for Jan 10 but it looks like its not permitted.

[SisCyn]

A group of young college age people in Iowa were quoted by an ABC news reporter -- "this is just not a presidential campaign, this is a movement..."

The electoral (ephemeral) chart with a 5 planet stellium in 11th house (Porphyry system) indicates this theme.

I'm hearing more and more Ron being given "rock star" status. What do you think is accounting for this?

Incidentally, I am a hobbiest level student of astrology. Used to hang out on astro.com quite a bit, but not much the last couple of years. Was just now over there seeing what folks were saying about Ron, flipped back here, and here you are! Is it you or I who is psychic?

[SisCyn]

Back to basics. Saturn and Uranus. Libertarianism, the Freedom Movement, and sudden shocking change. 2012 Age of Aquarius begins?

[SisCyn]

I'm not advanced enough to attempt a rectification. This might seem simplistic, but a friend of mine who has studied astrology for over 30 years once told me that you can see the Aries glyph formed by the eyebrow ridge and outline of the nose from a straight on view of the face on an Aries rising. Look and see, Ron definitely has that feature.

[Ariondys]

RP was in great spirits during his speech the night of the Iowa caucus.

Good good. He should be with transits like I described.

I was going to attach an image of the this chart with transits for Jan 10 but it looks like its not permitted.

use text.

[Ariondys]

I'm hearing more and more Ron being given "rock star" status. What do you think is accounting for this?

If I had to point at something I havn't pointed out yet that reminded me of "rock star" status. I would point to the progressed Mars trine Uranus that exists most tightly over the full spectrum of the primary season

This would represent approximately the position of the progressed Mars over the course of the primary season(jan3 - jun26)
5 cp 17 (jan 3)
5 cp 22
5 cp 26
progressed Moon opposite Sun around here.(April 1st or so)
5 cp 30
5 cp 35
5 cp 39 (june 26)

it doesn't move particularly fast, it's gone 22 arcminutes in half a year. And natal Uranus is at 5 ta 29. There's a definite "hill" of progressed energy displayed here for the primary season. Progressed Moon opposite Sun, and Progressed Mars Trine Uranus.

[Ariondys]

The star "Zuben Elgenubi" aka Alpha Libra
Ron Paul's Sun will progress over this star. This star and it's buddy Zuben Eschamali, aka Beta Libra; both stars are concerned with social reform and justice; one dark and the other light. The good star, Zuben Elgenubi is one concerned societal issues who can resist the temptation for pesonal gain or power. This will be exact in 2 years, or the middle of the next presidential term.

No Personal Gain motivates him!

This is almost quotable stuff from a book on Stars I'm holding. Ariondys