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Thread: Is Ron Paul really a racist?

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    Is Ron Paul really a racist?

    Some people on various sites have been saying that Ron Paul is a racist. I think it's important to talk about this now so we can deal with it later on (remember the dean scream?). Here are some of the things they cite when they say these things.

    9:16 PM 5/22/1996

    Newsletter excerpts offer ammunition to Paul's opponent
    GOP hopeful quoted on race, crime

    By ALAN BERNSTEIN
    Copyright 1996 Houston Chronicle Political Writer

    Texas congressional candidate Ron Paul's 1992 political newsletter highlighted portrayals of blacks as inclined toward crime and lacking sense about top political issues.

    Under the headline of "Terrorist Update," for instance, Paul reported on gang crime in Los Angeles and commented, "If you have ever been robbed by a black teen-aged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be."

    Paul, a Republican obstetrician from Surfside, said Wednesday he opposes racism and that his written commentaries about blacks came in the context of "current events and statistical reports of the time."

    Selected writings by Paul were distributed Wednesday by the campaign of his Democratic opponent, Austin lawyer Charles "Lefty" Morris.

    Morris said many of Paul's views are "out there on the fringe" and that his commentaries will be judged by voters in the November general elections.

    Paul said allegations about his writings amounted to name-calling by the Democrats and that his opponents should focus instead on how to shrink government spending and reform welfare.

    Morris and Paul are seeking the 14th Congressional District seat held by Greg Laughlin of West Columbia. Laughlin lost the Republican primary to Paul, a former congressman and the Libertarian Party's 1988 presidential candidate.

    Paul, writing in his independent political newsletter in 1992, reported about unspecified surveys of blacks.

    "Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5 percent of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, individual liberty and the end of welfare and affirmative action,"Paul wrote.

    Paul continued that politically sensible blacks are outnumbered "as decent people." Citing reports that 85 percent of all black men in the District of Columbia are arrested, Paul wrote:

    "Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the `criminal justice system,' I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal," Paul said.

    Paul also wrote that although "we are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, it is hardly irrational. Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers."

    A campaign spokesman for Paul said statements about the fear of black males mirror pronouncements by black leaders such as the Rev. Jesse Jackson, who has decried the spread of urban crime.

    Paul continues to write the newsletter for an undisclosed number of subscribers, the spokesman said.

    Writing in the same 1992 edition, Paul expressed the popular idea that government should lower the age at which accused juvenile criminals can be prosecuted as adults.

    He added, "We don't think a child of 13 should be held responsible as a man of 23. That's true for most people, but black males age 13 who have been raised on the streets and who have joined criminal gangs are as big, strong, tough, scary and culpable as any adult and should be treated as such."

    Paul also asserted that "complex embezzling" is conducted exclusively by non-blacks.

    "What else do we need to know about the political establishment than that it refuses to discuss the crimes that terrify Americans on grounds that doing so is racist? Why isn't that true of complex embezzling, which is 100 percent white and Asian?" he wrote.

    In later newsletters, Paul aimed criticism at the Israeli government's U.S. lobbying efforts and reported allegations that President Clinton used cocaine and fathered illegitimate children.

    Stating that lobbying groups who seek special favors and handouts are evil, Paul wrote, "By far the most powerful lobby in Washington of the bad sort is the Israeli government" and that the goal of the Zionist movement is to stifle criticism.

    Relaying a rumor that Clinton was a longtime cocaine user, Paul wrote in 1994 that the speculation "would explain certain mysteries" about the president's scratchy voice and insomnia.

    "None of this is conclusive, of course, but it sure is interesting," he said.
    http://www.chron.com/content/chronic...5/23/paul.html

    Also these
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/5/15/124912/740
    http://groups.google.com/group/soc.c...668bd3662b0fa5



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    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=301

    It was discussed there.

    He was quoted as saying that he did not say those things. It was a writer for his newsletter that wrote them while he was out campaigning. He is definitely not a racist.

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    Ok sorry, feel free to close this if you want.

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    all these should be read in their context. Then, if questions, ask him. He is not a racist. Someone is trying to lower his votes,but no one here is so easiliy mislead.

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    Wow, the people on the daily Kos are pretty radical leftists. They consider everyone against their positions "piles of $#@!" (to quote one Mia Dolan from that community). They also label all republicans as racist. Cavalier, indeed. I would take anything i read from that site written about anyone who is not a radical leftist with a large grain of salt.

    Based on pretty much all of his other writings and views, he is obviously not a racist - but if his opposition gets a hold of this info, certainly he will be labelled as one. Is that fair? No. But Paul is have to have some very clear, concise, and well thought out answers to these questions. I'm sure he will.
    Last edited by ThePieSwindler; 05-20-2007 at 06:29 PM.

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    He'd probably be labeled as a racist anyway, probably from both sides this time, since it's such a common smear technique. I am very, very curious of the context of those quotes. I'm reading the original article, so far so good and seemingly true, not racist.

    Here's a link to the original article. I'm saving it to my hard drive just in case it "disappears".
    Last edited by billv; 05-20-2007 at 11:47 PM.

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    Just point out that a belief in individual liberty is fundementally incompatible with any -ism.

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    where's the link?

    no hyperlink detected...



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    Like the word 'semitic', most people don't know the meaning of the word 'racist', which is to hold one race as SUPERIOR over another.

    As to the comments, which ones in fact are NOT true?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ButchHowdy View Post
    Like the word 'semitic', most people don't know the meaning of the word 'racist', which is to hold one race as SUPERIOR over another.

    As to the comments, which ones in fact are NOT true?
    Uh, NO. Let's not go down that road.

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    Ofcourse Ron Paul is not a racist, he's a libertarian... he knows what our country's economy would look like without black/yellow/brown/whatever labor. And definatly without Jewish financial backing.

    If you follow the rules of logic, he can't be a racist or anti-semetic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDuke View Post
    Ofcourse Ron Paul is not a racist, he's a libertarian... he knows what our country's economy would look like without black/yellow/brown/whatever labor. And definatly without Jewish financial backing.

    If you follow the rules of logic, he can't be a racist or anti-semetic.
    Oh God, what is going on in this forum??

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    Quote Originally Posted by kylejack View Post
    Oh God, what is going on in this forum??

    What?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDuke View Post
    What?
    You imply that Ron Paul is not racist because he values brown/yellow labor and Jewish money. This is ridiculous. Ron Paul is not racist because he believes racism is a form of collectivism, and that all people should be treated equally regardless of their sex, race, or religion, not because he wants to exploit brown labor and Jewish money.

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    Once again, you have to admire at how articulate and sensible Ron Paul's views on "race relations" are:

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul381.html

    It is not the usual anti-this-minority or pro-that-minority gabbing. He panders to neither the right nor left on this matter, but holds what I consider to be a very mature, enlightened viewpoint.

    "the federal government has no business regulating speech in any way."

    "Racists believe that all individuals who share superficial physical characteristics are alike: as collectivists, racists think only in terms of groups."

    Having discourse that centers too heavily around race/ethnicity actually contributes to the problem at times. To hear Paul say it, federal government policy should concern itself with "assuring liberty for all" rather than trying to micro-manage society with programs tailored for individual communities. This reflects a belief in the ability of all kinds of people to rise up to the challenges of life themselves as long as they are given freedom.

    I myself don't necessarily believe that "socialist-style" policies are inherently wrong (people can sometimes be so reactionary depending on the mood of the times), and America could certainly afford it (certainly in the past) and there were/are some good justifications for those, but perhaps the pendulum has now swung too much in this direction and it is time to rethink policies and introduce a breath of fresh air.

    After many decades of social policies like affirmative action, it is reasonable to expect that the communities of those benefited by such programs should have now grown up and are capable of - or should be expected to - stand up for themselves. Democrats and liberals like to make a virtue out of being "color-blind", so why don't they go for a government that is so???
    Last edited by jon_perez; 05-21-2007 at 08:17 AM.



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    How can one accuse of Paul of being prejudiced against blacks when in his essay at

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul381.html

    he writes, "The young women on the basketball team Mr. Imus insulted are over 18 and can speak for themselves". Would someone who harbors prejudice describe the action [for what it was] in such a matter-of-fact way?

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    Gee, what will they come up with next? I can see it now on 60 minutes; A nurse that claims she had a sexual relationship with RP 15 years ago. She will say something like "I first met him at a Neo-Nazi skinhead rally", and she was swept off her feet by his "down with Israel speech". There's no telling what these slim balls will come up with.

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    ^ Don't be giving them ideas...!

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    Quote Originally Posted by billv View Post
    Thanks for that link. This thread is another lame attempt to smear Ron Paul. If you are a true Ron Paul supporter you would not bring implied and fabricated dirt on him into these forums.

    Stating a FACT or experience about someone or something that involves race is not racist. The majority of Americans do not think like Al Sharpton and his mobster wannabe opportunists.

    Don't confuse "mainstream" with "mainstream media".
    Last edited by RonPaul4President; 05-21-2007 at 08:37 AM.
    "I pledge allegiance to my flag and the republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

    Religion divides humanity. Country enforces that division. Faith, nationalism and pride are the drugs of choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonPaul4President View Post
    Thanks for that link. This thread is another lame attempt to smear Ron Paul. If you are a true Ron Paul supporter you would not bring implied and fabricated dirt on him into these forums.

    Stating a FACT or experience about someone or something that involves race is not racist. The majority of Americans do not think like Al Sharpton and his mobster wannabe opportunists.

    Don't confuse "mainstream" with "mainstream media".

    Actually it's good to have these threads to clear things up.

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    Ron Paul believes in freedom and individual liberty, for all people. Skin color doesn't have anything to do with liberty.

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    Is Ron Paul a racist?

    No.

    This appears to be the one and only thing those against Ron Paul are able to dig up, and it has been thoroughly responded to and dismissed.

    It was not written by Ron Paul, and as I understand it, the one who wrote those things was fired.

    And it was 20-30 years ago. Enough.

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    I continue hearing ad hominem attacks by Democrats.
    Democrats say that the free market is social Darwinism. (economic ignorance)
    Ron Paul is supported by white nationalists. (Obama and Hillary are endorsed by Fidel Castro)
    Ron Paul is supported by David Duke.
    Some Democrats think that Ron Paul's stance on "individual, not race" is racist.
    Ron Paul doesn't support affirmative action. (but why it's not repealed?)
    He doesn't support birthright citizenship.
    Ron Paul doesn't support Darfur intervention.
    His free market "ideology" is punishing poor black people.
    They say that he does not restrict hate speech, such as Don Imus' racist remarks.
    They say that he does not ban cross burning. (but what Democrat will?)

    These attacks can be easily refuted, but most of the Democrats still find his stances offensive, unless a very long explanation is written (but they don't have the time and are not interested to read an explanation from a stranger (which is another ad hominem reason)).



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  29. #25
    Somebody posted this link yesterday.
    Recent NH poll where Ron Paul gets 22% of the black vote. Leading all other Republicans.
    http://www.insideradvantagegeorgia.com/POLL_NH.pdf

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    No he isn't.
    Last edited by RonPaulIsGood; 01-27-2008 at 11:02 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonPaulIsGood View Post
    Some Democrats think that Ron Paul's stance on "individual, not race" is racist.
    If we continue to focus on race rather than individuals there will be no way out of racism. The Democrats may try to lift up all blacks, but that means that if their policies are bad, it will HARM all blacks. For example, if affirmative action makes one black student lazier, that reflects badly on everyone with his skin color because of the way that system works. But if affirmative action were more subjective, nobody would be able to make such broad statements. Surely, the applause Ron Paul got at the minority forum shows that some people are tired of being treated as an automatic member of a "downtrodden race".

    I think if we demonstrate how Ron Paul is proposing an alternative to the Democratic system, we will get people to respect him more, even if they won't vote for him.
    Last edited by Shii; 10-06-2007 at 03:14 PM.
    Truth never damages a cause that is just." --Mahatma Gandhi

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    The free market is the perfect solution to solve the unequal pay.
    Last edited by RonPaulIsGood; 01-27-2008 at 10:59 AM.

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    Okay, look, I'm not gonna sit here and paint all my views in such a way as to simply praise Ron Paul. We don't live in a perfect world with perfectly rational people. As a human being who has talked to many other human beings, I'm perfectly aware that racism and sexism persists in many corners of society. That being said, the only racism government can solve is the racism it causes through its own policies, and thus Ron Paul has the best racial policies a politican can have: NO RACIAL POLICIES.

    But I'm not gonna sit here and pretend there isn't racism/sexism in society, that's just BS.

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    In case that wasn't completely clear, I follow the free market arguments involving race and economics.

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