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    Think about a Ron Paul defeat

    I use this not to instill pessimism but urgency.

    My wife and I had a talk the other day about her concerns that I was too wrapped up in Ron Paul, and it gave me an open door to explain to her why that was so.

    I explained to her that I'm doing everything I can to contain my support for him, because I think his success is critical at this time in our nation's history.

    She asked what I thought would happen if he loses . . . what my fear is.

    My fear is that whomever is elected will just pursue the same arrogant foreign policy we've descended down over the last half century. At home, the non-Paul president will just continue to either raise taxes or bankrupt our nation in the same cycle we've been going down.

    And my last, greatest fear is that another Ron Paul will not be had peacefully. Ron Paul is someone the establishment never thought could gain any traction, and that he has only has highlighted areas that will need to be "secured" going forward -- i.e. internet regulation, etc..

    She's since watched his interview with Beck & Russert, and she seems less concerned -- or perhaps just more understanding -- about my sense of urgency. That's a start, I guess.

    Anyone else believe that if Paul doesn't win, we're in for it?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucid American View Post
    I use this not to instill pessimism but urgency.

    My wife and I had a talk the other day about her concerns that I was too wrapped up in Ron Paul, and it gave me an open door to explain to her why that was so.

    I explained to her that I'm doing everything I can to contain my support for him, because I think his success is critical at this time in our nation's history.

    She asked what I thought would happen if he loses . . . what my fear is.

    My fear is that whomever is elected will just pursue the same arrogant foreign policy we've descended down over the last half century. At home, the non-Paul president will just continue to either raise taxes or bankrupt our nation in the same cycle we've been going down.

    And my last, greatest fear is that another Ron Paul will not be had peacefully. Ron Paul is someone the establishment never thought could gain any traction, and that he has only has highlighted areas that will need to be "secured" going forward -- i.e. internet regulation, etc..

    She's since watched his interview with Beck & Russert, and she seems less concerned -- or perhaps just more understanding -- about my sense of urgency. That's a start, I guess.

    Anyone else believe that if Paul doesn't win, we're in for it?
    divorce her for the negative.... she is not good for you brother... no room for that gibberish.... lol

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    I am on break at work, so I can't address this at full force. I will say what is on my mind later on, off work.
    Screw the big two! Let's all vote Libertarian.

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    The currency thing scares me but I don't think Ron Paul is the last hope before collapse. The most promising thing for many in the liberty movement is that the revolution seems to have started. It may take many more years to be realized. Ron Paul is the current standard bearer but we have to pick it up and move forward if he falls.

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    Of course I'm incredibly worried about a possibility of an RP loss, and so should everyone else be. I'm saying now that if Giuliani becomes our next president I will leave the country. I'm dead serious. We cannot afford to have another jackass for president. Our liberty and perhaps our lives are at stake here. What just happened in Pakistan scares me to death.
    "I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." - Thomas Jefferson

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    Ron Paul is someone the establishment never thought could gain any traction, and that he has only has highlighted areas that will need to be "secured" going forward -- i.e. internet regulation, etc..
    that would be my biggest concern.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pickfair View Post
    Of course I'm incredibly worried about a possibility of an RP loss, and so should everyone else be. I'm saying now that if Giuliani becomes our next president I will leave the country. I'm dead serious. We cannot afford to have another jackass for president. Our liberty and perhaps our lives are at stake here. What just happened in Pakistan scares me to death.
    No joke - I am leaving as well. But I will take it further by saying that if ANYONE but Ron wins I am leaving. I already have made my plans and will be prepared to move everything out of country December 2008.



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    Quote Originally Posted by RonPaulCentral View Post
    No joke - I am leaving as well. But I will take it further by saying that if ANYONE but Ron wins I am leaving. I already have made my plans and will be prepared to move everything out of country December 2008.
    Add me to the list.
    When all else fails,
    there's always
    www.escapeartist.com

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    If the sheep aren't behind Ron Paul then he cannot be president.

    Unfortunately Ron Paul's fate rests with the media as this is the only medium the sheep have to make their choice.

    Whether or not the media change their attitude to Ron Paul if supporters are able to take advantage of the low turnouts in the early primary's and he places well, who knows. It's extremely unlikely the media will ever dance to a different tune when you look at the financiers.

    Pete

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    I would not consider leaving for two reasons. First I could not afford to, I am invested in my land, and could not sell it for enough to make a move.
    Second, there is no place to go. As the globalists take over, and every place on this planet will be under there control.
    I will join the resistance, Hell, I am the resistance.
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    Second, there is no place to go.
    That's exactly right.

    Hell, if not America, then where?

    As far as I'm concerned, America is still the best (if not only) hope for the world.

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    Seriously, this is bigger than 1 person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucid American View Post
    That's exactly right.

    Hell, if not America, then where?

    As far as I'm concerned, America is still the best (if not only) hope for the world.
    Switzerland, the classic neutral country.
    "I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." - Thomas Jefferson

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron2Win View Post
    Seriously, this is bigger than 1 person.
    I agree, but Ron Paul is a special person with the record to stand on, and the time is now.

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    Switzerland doesn't welcome "auslanders" with open arms. That's why they have it so good. Small homogeneous society.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucid American View Post
    I agree, but Ron Paul is a special person with the record to stand on, and the time is now.
    Yeah, but even if he loses, congress in next. This movement is a jolt of freshness to an archaic system.

    It's make or break, but the break will be a dictatorship which the american people would simply revolt against.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cliche View Post
    Switzerland doesn't welcome "auslanders" with open arms. That's why they have it so good. Small homogeneous society.
    Well, it's still a reasonable option for me, considering I grew up there.
    "I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." - Thomas Jefferson

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    Quote Originally Posted by pickfair View Post
    Switzerland, the classic neutral country.
    I hear New Zealand is nice, too (although a pain in the arse to get citizenship).
    Lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonPaulCentral View Post
    No joke - I am leaving as well. But I will take it further by saying that if ANYONE but Ron wins I am leaving. I already have made my plans and will be prepared to move everything out of country December 2008.
    It's all very well to say you will leave. I'm am considering leaving the UK too because things are so bad here. We are now part of the United Socialist Republic of Europe......and it absolutely stinks

    Thing is.........

    Where will you go?

    You see, there isn't anywhere left of the planet that can be defined as a free society. So you're better off staying in America and fighting to take your country back.......even if you have to bear arms to do it.

    America is the last refuge. It is the final lynchpin. If America falls to the dark forces of socialism, it will all be over.......for everyone.

    Americans will have to abandon fighting wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and fight for their own freedom.
    RON PAUL 2012
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    Rule No. 2 NEVER believe anything you are told by politicians or the media

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    Finland's very open to outsiders. They just don't get all that many because the language is harder to learn for most and the weather's cold. Apparently you can get dual citizenship after five years of residence which is shorter than every other European country I know of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NinjaPirate View Post
    I hear New Zealand is nice, too (although a pain in the arse to get citizenship).
    New Zealand is a beautiful country but it is very very socialist. There are alot of social problems in NZ, very high incidence of suicide, drug and alcohol abuse. It's also very isolated which has put me off emigrating there.

    Switzerland is an interesting country. It has always maintained its independance in wars and it has stayed out of the EU. It is cripplingly expensive. There is a drastic shortage of property. Just finding somewhere to live there is a major headache.
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    Rule No. 2 NEVER believe anything you are told by politicians or the media

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron2Win View Post
    It's make or break, but the break will be a dictatorship which the american people would simply revolt against.
    Don't we already have one? Only we call him the "president"...
    Why can't everybody else leave everybody else alone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MsDoodahs View Post
    Don't we already have one? Only we call him the "president"...
    Somewhat, but people are just waking up to it. If it's blatant no one will stand for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucid American View Post
    I use this not to instill pessimism but urgency.

    My wife and I had a talk the other day about her concerns that I was too wrapped up in Ron Paul, and it gave me an open door to explain to her why that was so.

    I explained to her that I'm doing everything I can to contain my support for him, because I think his success is critical at this time in our nation's history.

    She asked what I thought would happen if he loses . . . what my fear is.

    My fear is that whomever is elected will just pursue the same arrogant foreign policy we've descended down over the last half century. At home, the non-Paul president will just continue to either raise taxes or bankrupt our nation in the same cycle we've been going down.

    And my last, greatest fear is that another Ron Paul will not be had peacefully. Ron Paul is someone the establishment never thought could gain any traction, and that he has only has highlighted areas that will need to be "secured" going forward -- i.e. internet regulation, etc..

    She's since watched his interview with Beck & Russert, and she seems less concerned -- or perhaps just more understanding -- about my sense of urgency. That's a start, I guess.

    Anyone else believe that if Paul doesn't win, we're in for it?

    I could have written that myself, almost word for word. I believe in Paul's sense of urgency as well. The media wishes to ignore some pretty big problems that aren't going to go away. After Paul, there's no figurehead for this movement.

    On the good side, we've built up a network around the campaign, and I'm personally emboldened by the amount of people that feel just like I do. I can't imagine 5 more years of continuing down the same road without more serious civil liberty problems and extremely serious monetary problems.

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    If Ron Paul's election does get stolen, we need to re-double our efforts to send "Pauliticians" to Washington D.C. to serve in Congress.
    *Liberty is worth it*

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    Three words:

    Free State Project

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    I dont' mean to scare folks, but remember the patriot act works just as well if you don't have a big beard... LOL ... Watch what you say because they are watching... LOL...

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    If RP loses this election, I'm afraid it will have to get ugly. People are getting more and more informed. Unless they shut down the Internet, I don't think this trend is going to slow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mattsa View Post
    So you're better off staying in America and fighting to take your country back
    Exactly. If the agents of change leave at the first defeat, who will be left to fight? In a country the size of the Unites States, with a large percentage of people who have been conditioned to fear for their safely, adopt apathetic positions when it comes to change, and taught a one-sided view of history, it will take time. In many ways, that (time) is a good thing as quick, drastic changes can be crippling. We must stay the course.

    This reminds me of all the leftists in 2004 who said they were leaving for Canada if John Kerry didn't win. The old adage of "he who fights and runs away . . ." does not apply here.

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