H1B Visas... We should stop them immediately!

[Brian4Liberty]

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Good post above, great analogy of how the house analogy they use leads us to national socialism, which if you read their statements, is exactly what they are advocating.

The government must force businesses to hire pureblooded Aryans before hiring mudbloods!

Its funny, because they understand why affirmative action based on race is immoral, but they are all in support of it when it comes to nationality.

More straw man bullshit. Why are you here? Why did you bump this thread? What's your agenda?

[ZenBowman]

More straw man bullshit. Why are you here? Why did you bump this thread? What's your agenda?

Liberty for all mankind.

[specsaregood]

Liberty for all mankind.

H1-B visa people end up more like indentured servants than liberated. And the american people who's jobs they filled end up paying the taxes/debt as those same corps suck off the govt wiener.

[Enforcer]

Yeah, right. Everyone who has a different opinion than you on immigration and jobs is a racist or Nazi. Take your straw men and bullshit somewhere else. What was your username last time you were banned? And quoting the SPLC? That's a nice touch.

My position is exactly the same as Ron Paul's. Take it up with Ron if it you think it is so anti-liberty, or go crawl back under the dung pile you crawled out from under.

Brian4Liberty, you need some "edumacating." The term straw man argument is defined as:

"A straw man is a component of an argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

The issue is, I have debated he "house" analogy which has been brought up by YOUR side more than 100 times on this board alone. It's not a superficial argument. It is THE argument most often relied upon by the anti - immigrant lobbyists.

Fact is, the first immigration thread YOU participated in was a thread where this very analogy is presented:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...+house%2C+jobs

There is no "straw man" argument. It is a recurring theme that runs neck and neck with the debunked gum balls video.

I quoted the SPLC because it was their case and it does not endorse them any more than referencing a quote from the New York Times would qualify me as being a liberal. So, YOU are dabbling in straw man arguments.

Finally, I've never been banned from this board. But I did know Ron Paul as far back as 1986... and I mean shake his hand, sit at the same table and talk politics. Unless his positions have changed recently, I know full well what Ron Paul's position is on the subject.

[specsaregood]

Finally, I've never been banned from this board. But I did know Ron Paul as far back as 1986... and I mean shake his hand, sit at the same table and talk politics. Unless his positions have changed recently, I know full well what Ron Paul's position is on the subject.

Actually yes, his position changed sometime after '88. He used to be an open borders advocate but now is not as he came to the conclusion that open borders are incompatible with a welfare state. He made note of it in a debate.

[Rifleman]

Liberty for all mankind.

Mankind doesn't want liberty.

[Enforcer]

Actually yes, his position changed sometime after '88. He used to be an open borders advocate but now is not as he came to the conclusion that open borders are incompatible with a welfare state. He made note of it in a debate.

There we go again. YOU are making a straw man argument.

Allowing foreigners to come here and work, to exercise unalienable Rights does not have squat to do with "open borders." The opposite of open borders would be National ID / REAL ID Act, the so - called "Patriot Act," warrant less searches, the end to the presumption of innocence, the 24 / 7 / 365 monitoring of people in the ultimate POLICE STATE.

NONE of this has to do with any "welfare state" as foreigners that are not citizens are not entitled to welfare NOR do the bulk of them use it. EVERY study (save of those produced by white supremacist, John Tanton and his enterprises) have concluded that, at the end of the day, it's a wash. The foreigners don't take any more out of the system than they put into it.

You guys need to quit complaining about straw man arguments if you are going to allow your supporters to keep parroting that phony open borders nonsense.

[specsaregood]

There we go again. YOU are making a straw man argument.

Allowing foreigners to come here and work, to exercise unalienable Rights does not have squat to do with "open borders." The opposite of open borders would be National ID / REAL ID Act, the so - called "Patriot Act," warrant less searches, the end to the presumption of innocence, the 24 / 7 / 365 monitoring of people in the ultimate POLICE STATE.

NONE of this has to do with any "welfare state" as foreigners that are not citizens are not entitled to welfare NOR do the bulk of them use it. EVERY study (save of those produced by white supremacist, John Tanton and his enterprises) have concluded that, at the end of the day, it's a wash. The foreigners don't take any more out of the system than they put into it.

You guys need to quit complaining about straw man arguments if you are going to allow your supporters to keep parroting that phony open borders nonsense.

wtf are you talking about. I told you how Dr. Paul's position has CHANGED since you met him in '86. take it up with him if you want to get all nuts about it, he made the claim himself when asked about IT in a debate.

[Enforcer]

Ron Paul's position:

While the federal government neglects its constitutional responsibility to protect our borders, it continues to push mandates on the states to provide free education and medical care to illegal immigrants at a time when the states are drowning in debt. This must not be tolerated any longer.

Like most Americans, Ron Paul also understands just how valuable legal immigration is to our country.

Immigrants who want to work hard, obey our laws, and live the American Dream have always been great asset

http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/immigration/

The underlying issue is that Ron Paul is talking apples and some of you are talking oranges. For example, Ron Paul fully acknowledges that the current immigration laws need to be reformed. In many instances, there is no such thing as "legal" immigration for many people. Ron Paul ACKNOWLEDGED that in some of the recent debates.

Some of Ron Paul's positions are predicated upon him getting the wrong information. Not only is the stereotype of welfare riding undocumented workers a total myth, but Ron Paul ought to know that you cannot change birth-right citizenship without amending the Constitution. Maybe Ron Paul needs a refresher course?

If you repeal the so - called "Patriot Act" which is subtitled ENHANCED BORDER SECURITY, the REAL ID Act, warrant less searches, etc. then you are right back to the position I have taken.

"Open Borders" is a totally meaningless political term, invented by National Socialists. What the xenophobes want conflicts with the very things the founding fathers warned us against.

[RickyJ]

Liberty for all mankind.

I'm for that too, but in their own nations. They sure wouldn't like it if the situation was reversed and we were going to their nation and taking jobs away from their qualified workers while hating their nation and looking down on them at the same time.