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How does an individual lose their rights because they are a member of a group? It's the same argument as "Minority" (etal) rights. Again, rights have responsibilities. Who is responsible for the actions of a corporation? The shareholders whose rights you believe I'm taking away?
All modern revolutions have ended in a reinforcement of the power of the State.
-Albert Camus
I do not agree with your initial premise that there was no cooperative effort between the Biden administration and Zuckerberg in their efforts to censor or diminish opposing viewpoints (via stamping them with 'fact-checks') during the COVID epidemic, so I'm going to have to disregard your follow up question as a sort of out-of-place red-herring.
(that may not be how you intended it, but I'm simply pointing out that if we do not agree on the fundamentals of your assertion, then the question you pose is rather moot)
"but the individual who happens to own a corporation or belong to a union does have rights, and these rights are not lost by merely acting through another organization."
When are shareholders held accountable? That's the point of a corporation.The owners are responsible for the actions of a corporation.
All modern revolutions have ended in a reinforcement of the power of the State.
-Albert Camus
It constantly annoys me that only maybe 2 or 3 people on this forum agree with us on this. It's not theoretical either. I can't think of a quicker way to wreck a country than to start nationalizing corporations. Look at Venezuela for example.
At least Ron Paul agrees with us.
I said that zuckerberg may have censored voluntarily and was not forced by government. I don't see the difference but I'll use your exact words. If there is a cooperative effort between the administration and the corporation in their efforts to censor or diminish opposing viewpoints, do you think that corporation should be nationalized?
FWIW, I agree with you on this.
I just don't think Big Pharma qualifies to be viewed as some innocent private corporation trying its darn'dest to work independently of Big Government (I'm trying not to laugh as I type that out) and thus I do not weep when someone in said government (like a Kennedy) flips the dagger around and holds it at their throat.
Sleep with dogs. Get fleas.
EDIT: I hope that answers your latest question. Or at least, further helps you understand my point of view.
In 2020, we ALL witnessed one of the largest concerted propaganda campaigns this country has ever witnessed, between the forces of Big Pharma, Big Government, and Big Media. As far as I'm concerned, that level of coordination DOES NOT HAPPEN organically in a free market and thus, as far as I'm concerned, these corporations whose rights you are losing sleep over, are already, DE FACTO, nationalized. (and . . . they LOVE IT)
To which I say:
Do your worst, Mr. Kennedy.
PS. Can libertarians please start finding hills to die on that someone actually gives a f'k about?
Last edited by nobody's_hero; 01-21-2025 at 06:08 PM.
Ron PaulThere is nothing to fear from globalism, free trade and a single worldwide currency, but a globalism where free trade is competitively subsidized by each nation, a continuous trade war is dictated by the WTO, and the single currency is pure fiat, fear is justified. That type of globalism is destined to collapse into economic despair, inflationism and protectionism and managed by resurgent militant nationalism.
Congressional Record (March 13, 2001)
Yeah, well we're 36 trillion in debt, we've printed 7 trillion since 2008 and we're running trade deficits of a trillion a year. That says we're on the path to Venezuela. And a large part of the problem is businesses can't make a profit from all the taxes and regulations.
Of course. Corporate officers can also be charged criminally if warranted. Shareholders are never held criminally or civilly liable for the actions of their company. They simply, potentially lose their investment. That's my point. The reason is that the Law defines a corporation as an individual, not a collective. The Law claims this entity has rights, although limited, bestowed upon it by the Law, that are separate from the rights of its constituent owners.
All modern revolutions have ended in a reinforcement of the power of the State.
-Albert Camus
And there are plenty of economic issues that are more relatable to the average American than the plight of (quasi-nationalized) corporations that willfully cooperated with contacts in government in a mutually beneficial scheme to diminish the free speech rights of any and all contrary opinion-holders for the last 4 years.
I mean, it's just not something that rallies people around the flag, ya know?
Last edited by nobody's_hero; 01-21-2025 at 06:26 PM.
I'm not following how any of what you said proves that you can deny the rights of (in this case censor) a corporation (group of owners) but not an individual.
Suppose Bob decides to have a garage sale and he hires Fred to run the sale while Bob is out of town. In this scenario Bob is equivalent to the shareholders and Fred is the CEO. Fred would be the one who gets criminally charged if he injured a customer. Since Bob wouldn't be held responsible for the actions of Fred, would that mean Bob loses his rights? Would it be ok to ban Bob from advertising his garage sale for example?
Also look at the practical side of it.
Suppose Fred spills grease and a customer slips and is paralyzed and it's going to cost 10 million to treat him. Compare that to a customer who slips in a walmart. Who is more likely to get compensated? Obviously the customer at walmart is far more likely to get compensated.
Big Pharma is tied at the hip with government and is thus not a person, individual or otherwise
It has no rights
Last edited by TheTexan; 01-22-2025 at 09:50 AM.
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Bring Back Liquor ads and of course My Pillow ads.
I remember how it was before the airwaves were polluted with big pharma ads. It was a real boon to big pharma dn doctors when patients started coming in telling doctors what they wanted. It sickens me when I see a big pharma ad...I wish they would be taken off the air people were healthier before big pharma was able to promote itself in media. It makes it easy for me to not watch tv though
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