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  1. #91
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Forward thinking white supremacy would suggest that the repairs to the cover, which is why the reservoir was empty, should have been deferred to after the dry fire season was over.

    Santa Ynez Reservoir (117 million gallons in Pacific Palisades) was offline and empty. Unclear how long since it was full.
    To answer the question:
    State to probe why Pacific Palisades reservoir was offline, empty when firestorm exploded
    Officials said that the Santa Ynez Reservoir had been closed since about February for repairs to its cover, leaving a 117-million-gallon water storage complex empty in the heart of the Palisades for nearly a year.
    My choice of third person pronouns for myself is generally irrelevant. I'm not typically involved in the conversations that use them. It's other people referring to me in the third person, usually from a distance. I'm not a conversational partner in those exchanges. Those people could be referring to me as "That A$$hole" or "That Motherfukker" for all I know.



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  3. #92
    Climate Change.
    The whole narrative is absurd on its face - at the same time the USA was both founded on White supremacy, slavery, and genocide, yet always meant to be a place that infinity Africans, Indians, and South Americans could come for a "better life"? - Unknown

  4. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Climate Change.
    Hydroclimate whiplash
    While the cause of the fire is reported to be still under investigation and the strong wind and dry conditions obviously the stimulant for the rapid spread and emergence of at least three other fires, the underlying theory gaining ground for these is termed ‘hydroclimate whiplash’ from the University of California Los Angeles.
    Hydroclimate whiplash – or ‘hydroclimate volatility’ as it’s termed scientifically – is the occurrence of rapid swings between very wet and very dry weather conditions. As the atmosphere warms, the amount of water it can absorb and release increases, at a rate estimated at 7% for every 1oC of warming.
    This then gives rise to greatly increased vegetation, which in hot summer conditions can become tinder dry and susceptible to fires.
    Other potential impacts of wet to dry events are loss of hydropower and loss of crops. Conversely, from dry to wet conditions, flooding and landslides and consequent infrastructure damage can result.
    https://www.smart-energy.com/industr...major-outages/
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    December, 20204

    Open Dagir Principle (DoD AI)
    one of the "challenges" :
    Current ATO policies and security requirements prioritize
    compliance over innovation and speed, causing significant delays
    in rapid capability delivery requirements
    Soution: Clear ATO requirements, polices, and processes that balance DoD
    security needs with the need to develop and deploy prototypes

    * translation - Authorization To Operate, in other words, separate humans making decisions from AI, so that AI can operate automatically
    WITH governmental authority. Dagir = Data and Applications Government-owned Interoperable Repositories.
    the "interoperable" is coordination and sharing of Government data and resources WITH private corporations in real-time.
    Very, very dangerous and corrupt.
    https://www.ai.mil/Portals/137/Docum...d-to-Scale.pdf
    "When Sombart says: "Capitalism is born from the money-loan", I should like to add to this: Capitalism actually exists only in the money-loan;" - Theodor Fritsch

  5. #94
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Climate Change.
    notice the time of the PR.

    January 06, 2025 03:00 AM Eastern Time
    DeepGreenX and Sente Ventures Announce Framework Agreement for $25 Billion Green Infrastructure Investment Program
    Program targets innovative green energy, smart grid, and micro power solutions for advanced computing centers worldwide
    LONDON & NEW YORK

    the money came from financiers in London, for example the "Litestream Ventures Venture Capital & Family Office Forum", where the oligarchs and moneyprinters collude to create new realities for us peons.

    https://www.businesswire.com/news/ho...stment-Program
    "When Sombart says: "Capitalism is born from the money-loan", I should like to add to this: Capitalism actually exists only in the money-loan;" - Theodor Fritsch

  6. #95
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Climate Change.
    AI responses to Kelli Martin on Facebook (her comments interspersed)
    https://m.facebook.com/Kellimartinmlle777/

    CHECK BACK BECAUSE MORE COMES TO MIND AS IM RESEARCHING. I JUST UPDATED.
    There are actually a few plans and projects in the works for the Palisades area that could be considered part of a smart city initiative. For instance, the *Pacific Palisades Commercial Village and Neighborhood Specific Plan* aims to create a vibrant and community-friendly mixed-use development with features like upscale retail shops, restaurants, and creative office spaces. This plan is designed to blend in with the surrounding neighborhood while creating a town center that didn't exist before.
    Additionally, the *Palisades Village* project, designed by Gensler, is a great example of a mixed-use redevelopment that incorporates sustainable design strategies and has earned LEED Gold Certification.² This project includes features like curated walkways, outdoor dining terraces, and a landscaped parklet, which provide welcoming gathering spots for locals and visitors.
    It's also worth mentioning that the *Village at Palisades Tahoe Specific Plan* is a separate project that involves the development of a hospitality and recreation-based mountain resort community with up to 850 hotel and residential units. While this project is not directly related to a smart city plan, it does involve the use of technology and innovative design to create a sustainable and community-friendly development.
    Overall, it seems like there are several plans and projects in the works for the Palisades area that could contribute to a smart city initiative, focusing on sustainability, community engagement, and innovative design.
    The Palisades Village is actually designed to be a redevelopment of the existing commercial area in Pacific Palisades, rather than a new construction project that would require the demolition of existing homes and buildings. The project aims to revitalize the existing commercial village, while still maintaining the charm and character of the community.
    The development team has worked closely with local residents, business owners, and community leaders to ensure that the project is tailored to meet the needs and desires of the community. The goal is to create a vibrant and welcoming town center that complements the existing neighborhood, rather than disrupting it....HAVE THEY THOUGH?
    In terms of density, the project is designed to be consistent with the existing zoning and land-use regulations in the area. The development will include a mix of retail, restaurant, and entertainment uses, as well as some office and residential units, but it will not significantly increase the overall density of the area.
    Overall, the Palisades Village is intended to be a thoughtful and community-driven redevelopment project that enhances the quality of life for local residents, while also providing a unique and attractive destination for visitors.
    The devastating Palisades Fire has indeed had a profound impact on the area, and it's possible that it could pave the way for new developments, including a smart city. The City of Los Angeles has declared a state of emergency in response to the fire, which has given them the authority to clear a path for rapid recovery and rebuilding efforts.¹ This could potentially include the construction of a smart city, which would involve the use of advanced technologies to create a more sustainable, efficient, and connected community.
    The fire has already led to the destruction of many buildings and homes, which could create an opportunity for the city to rebuild and redesign the area with a focus on smart city technologies. However, it's worth noting that the city's primary concern right now is the safety and well-being of its residents, and any plans for new developments will need to take that into account.
    It's also important to consider the potential challenges and complexities involved in building a smart city, including the need for significant investment, infrastructure development, and community engagement. Nevertheless, the idea of creating a smart city in the aftermath of the Palisades Fire is an intriguing one, and it will be interesting to see how the city moves forward with its plans for rebuilding and recovery.
    "When Sombart says: "Capitalism is born from the money-loan", I should like to add to this: Capitalism actually exists only in the money-loan;" - Theodor Fritsch

  7. #96
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Climate Change.
    (con't)

    I then asked about the insurance:
    Insurance companies may stop covering fires in the Palisades area due to the increasing risk and frequency of wildfires in the region. The Palisades area, being a high-risk zone for wildfires, has experienced several devastating fires in recent years, resulting in significant losses for insurance companies.
    Some of the key factors that may contribute to insurance companies stopping coverage in the area include:
    - High-risk location: The Palisades area is located in a wildland-urban interface (WUI) zone, which is prone to wildfires. The proximity to wildlands and the presence of flammable vegetation increase the risk of fires spreading quickly.
    - Increasing frequency and severity of wildfires: The frequency and severity of wildfires in the Palisades area have been increasing in recent years, resulting in significant losses for insurance companies.
    - Rising costs of claims: The cost of claims related to wildfires in the Palisades area has been rising, making it challenging for insurance companies to maintain profitable operations.
    - Regulatory environment: Insurance companies may be subject to regulatory requirements that limit their ability to offer coverage in high-risk areas or require them to increase premiums to account for the increased risk.
    As a result, insurance companies may decide to stop offering coverage in the Palisades area or significantly increase premiums to account for the increased risk. This could have significant implications for homeowners and businesses in the area, making it challenging for them to obtain affordable insurance coverage.
    Then I asked how a smart city would be SMART to build with the information given above!
    Building a smart city in the Palisades area may seem counterintuitive, given the high risk of wildfires and the potential challenges with insurance coverage. However, there are several reasons why a smart city might still be a viable option for the area.
    For one, a smart city could be designed with wildfire mitigation and resilience in mind. This could include features such as advanced fire detection systems, smart grids that can quickly respond to power outages, and green infrastructure that helps to reduce the risk of wildfires.
    Additionally, a smart city could provide a unique opportunity to test and implement new technologies and strategies for managing wildfire risk. The area's high risk profile could actually make it an attractive location for companies and researchers looking to develop and test new wildfire mitigation technologies.
    Furthermore, a smart city in the Palisades area could also serve as a model for other high-risk communities. By developing and implementing effective strategies for managing wildfire risk, the smart city could provide a blueprint for other communities to follow.
    It's also worth noting that the concept of a smart city is not just about technology, but also about creating a sustainable and resilient community. A smart city in the Palisades area could prioritize sustainability, environmental stewardship, and community engagement, which could help to reduce the risk of wildfires and create a more resilient community.
    Overall, while the challenges posed by wildfires are significant, they do not necessarily preclude the possibility of building a smart city in the Palisades area. With careful planning, design, and implementation, a smart city could be a valuable asset for the community, providing a unique opportunity to test and implement new technologies and strategies for managing wildfire risk.
    Gensler is a global architecture, design, and planning firm that is owned by its employees. The firm was founded in 1965 by Art and Drue Gensler, and it has since grown to become one of the largest and most respected design firms in the world.
    In 2009, Gensler implemented an Employee Stock Ownership Plan (ESOP), which allows employees to own shares of the company. Today, Gensler is 100% owned by its employees, with over 5,000 employees participating in the ESOP.
    As an employee-owned firm, Gensler is governed by a Board of Directors that is composed of employee-owners. The firm's leadership team, including its Co-CEOs, Diane Hoskins and Andy Cohen (not the tv personally), are also employee-owners.
    The ownership structure of Gensler is a bit more complex than I initially stated. While Gensler is an employee-owned firm, it's not entirely owned by its employees. The firm is actually owned by a combination of its employees, board members, and external investors.
    "When Sombart says: "Capitalism is born from the money-loan", I should like to add to this: Capitalism actually exists only in the money-loan;" - Theodor Fritsch



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  9. #97
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Climate Change.
    (con't)

    According to publicly available information, the ownership structure of Gensler is as follows:
    - Employee Stock Ownership Plan (ESOP): 60-70% owned by employees through the ESOP
    - External Investors: 20-30% oowned by external investors, including private equity firms and institutional investors
    - Board Members and Senior Leaders: 5-10% owned by board members and senior leaders, including the Co-CEOs and other executive team members
    As for the board of directors, it's composed of a mix of internal and external members, including:
    - Diane Hoskins, Co-CEO
    - Andy Cohen, Co-CEO
    - Other senior leaders and employee-owners
    - External board members, including representatives from private equity firms and institutional investors
    Some of the notable external investors and stockholders of Gensler include:
    - Hellman & Friedman, a private equity firm
    - Texas Pacific Group (TPG), a private equity firm
    - Other institutional investors and private equity firms
    Hellman & Friedman (H&F) is a private equity firm that has invested in and owned a number of well-known companies across various industries. Some of the notable companies that H&F has owned or has a significant stake in include:
    - Nielsen Holdings, a global information and measurement company
    - Getty Images, a leading provider of visual content and media
    - Axel Springer, a German-based media company
    - DoubleClick, a digital advertising company (sold to Google in 2007)
    - Formula 1, the global auto racing series (sold to Liberty Media in 2017)
    - Scout24, a German-based online marketplace for real estate and automobiles
    - (link unavailable), a programmatic advertising platform
    - Securitas, a global security services company
    H&F has also invested in and owned companies in the financial services, healthcare, and technology sectors, among others.
    It's worth noting that H&F is a private equity firm, which means that it typically invests in companies with the goal of eventually selling them for a profit. As a result, the firm's ownership stakes in these companies can change over time as it buys and sells assets.
    Texas Pacific Group, also known as TPG, has a pretty impressive portfolio of companies they've invested in over the years. They've got stakes in companies like _DirecTV_, which they acquired from AT&T in 2024, and _New Relic_, a web tracking and analytics firm they bought in 2023 for $6.5 billion. They've also invested in _Angelo Gordon_, an alternative investment firm, and _Morrow Sodali_, a proxy firm based in New York.
    TPG has also been involved in the film production business, with a major investment in _Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer_ back in 2004. And, they've got a presence in the education sector, with an investment in _TES Global_, a global education publisher. They've also invested in companies like _Petco_, _J. Crew_, and _Del Monte Foods_, among others.
    It's worth noting that TPG has a pretty diverse range of investments, spanning across industries like technology, healthcare, consumer goods, and more. They've got a reputation for taking on big deals and turning companies around, which has helped them build a significant presence in the private equity space.
    YET....I figured out more......The ELEPHANT...(S) THEY COULDN'T GET AROUND UNLESS A NATURAL DISASTER HAPPENED.
    In the area of Pacific Palisades, California, where the Palisades smart Village is being planned, at the coordinates Latitude: 34.0322° N Longitude: 118.5253° W, there are several buildings and sites that are listed on the National Register of Historic Places or are designated as historic landmarks by the City of Los Angeles. Some of these include:
    The Self-Realization Fellowship Lake Shrine, a historic temple and lake shrine that was built in the 1950s and features a variety of architectural styles, including Indian and Mediterranean Revival. The Lake Shrine is listed on the National Register of Historic Places and is a popular tourist destination.
    The Ebell of Los Angeles, a historic women's club that was founded in 1894 and features a beautiful clubhouse that was built in 1927. The clubhouse is listed on the National Register of Historic Places and is a notable example of Spanish Colonial Revival architecture.
    The Pacific Palisades Historic District, which includes a number of historic homes and buildings that date back to the early 20th century. The district is listed on the National Register of Historic Places and features a variety of architectural styles, including Craftsman, Spanish Colonial Revival, and Mediterranean Revival.
    The Village Green, a historic park that was built in the 1920s and features a number of walking trails, gardens, and public art installations. The Village Green is listed on the National Register of Historic Places and is a popular destination for both locals and tourists.
    It's worth noting that these are just a few examples of the many historic buildings and sites that can be found in the area of Pacific Palisades, California, where the Palisades smart Village is being planned. The area is known for its rich history and cultural significance, and there are many other historic landmarks and sites that are worth visiting.
    I had AI to help me research but i had to ask in a way it would answer. AI will not answer direct questions. YET...READ THIS CAREFULLY. DIG....ITS STARTING TO CONNECT THE DOTS.
    The devastating Palisades Fire has indeed had a profound impact on the area, and it's possible that it could pave the way for new developments, including a smart city.
    "When Sombart says: "Capitalism is born from the money-loan", I should like to add to this: Capitalism actually exists only in the money-loan;" - Theodor Fritsch

  10. #98
    https://x.com/akafacehots/status/1877832702428070302



    Where have I heard that before?

    Oh yes...

    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 01-11-2025 at 08:45 AM.
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  11. #99
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  12. #100
    Bull$#@! Xweet.

    Deleted.

    ETA - Hold the phone...maybe not.

    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 01-11-2025 at 01:19 PM.
    The whole narrative is absurd on its face - at the same time the USA was both founded on White supremacy, slavery, and genocide, yet always meant to be a place that infinity Africans, Indians, and South Americans could come for a "better life"? - Unknown

  13. #101
    https://x.com/ericmmatheny/status/1878088847394738384

    The whole narrative is absurd on its face - at the same time the USA was both founded on White supremacy, slavery, and genocide, yet always meant to be a place that infinity Africans, Indians, and South Americans could come for a "better life"? - Unknown

  14. #102
    https://x.com/AdrianneCurry/status/1878077279546626168

    The whole narrative is absurd on its face - at the same time the USA was both founded on White supremacy, slavery, and genocide, yet always meant to be a place that infinity Africans, Indians, and South Americans could come for a "better life"? - Unknown

  15. #103
    Quote Originally Posted by Snowball View Post
    ...
    The Palisades Village is actually designed to be a redevelopment of the existing commercial area in Pacific Palisades, rather than a new construction project that would require the demolition of existing homes and buildings.
    ...
    Well, looks like the demolition has exceeded their wildest dreams. A very convenient coincidence.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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  16. #104
    Quote Originally Posted by Snowball View Post
    Hydroclimate whiplash
    While the cause of the fire is reported to be still under investigation and the strong wind and dry conditions obviously the stimulant for the rapid spread and emergence of at least three other fires, the underlying theory gaining ground for these is termed ‘hydroclimate whiplash’ from the University of California Los Angeles.
    Hydroclimate whiplash – or ‘hydroclimate volatility’ as it’s termed scientifically – is the occurrence of rapid swings between very wet and very dry weather conditions. As the atmosphere warms, the amount of water it can absorb and release increases, at a rate estimated at 7% for every 1oC of warming.
    This then gives rise to greatly increased vegetation, which in hot summer conditions can become tinder dry and susceptible to fires.
    Other potential impacts of wet to dry events are loss of hydropower and loss of crops. Conversely, from dry to wet conditions, flooding and landslides and consequent infrastructure damage can result.
    https://www.smart-energy.com/industr...major-outages/
    ...
    What a crock of $#@!.

    "Hydroclimate whiplash." They came up with a new name for winter and summer?

    The natural cycle in the desert south west is for things to grow in spring and early summer, dry out in late summer/fall, and burn in fall and early winter.

    When the burn part of the cycle is interrupted, is just results in a larger fire when it inevitably happens. When you have these neighborhoods on the border of open, natural land, the fire danger increases. The homes and neighborhoods have vegetation that is not natural. They plant large trees, which grow huge over the decades, and are right next to their homes. That, along with all of other landscaping that can burn, right next to the structures, is just a fire waiting to happen.

    You can have a house and structures in those areas, but the area around the structures must be kept clear, which requires year round maintenance. In areas liable to have high winds, the defensible area must be larger.

    Landscaping around these homes is not natural in any way. And they water (irrigate) their property (with water pumped from Northern California, btw), which is not natural. They want to have a green area around their home. "We live in the forest on the mountain overlooking the ocean." Sorry, you live in a desert.
    Last edited by Brian4Liberty; 01-11-2025 at 12:38 PM.
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  18. #105
    It seems as if some common sense can be applied here regarding vegetation.

    Fire resistant desert trees should be incorporated to provide a canopy and smaller vegetation should be selected for fire resistance and moisture retention.....lots of problems solved right there.

    I heard something on the radio about the prevalence of non-native eucalyptus trees which do well in arid conditions, but ignite easily and burn vigorously.

  19. #106
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    https://x.com/i/status/1878110094421786842

    This one doesn't make sense. There is no reason for a fire truck driving from Oregon to be anywhere near San Francisco. They would be on Highway 5 in the central valley.
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    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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  20. #107
    Quote Originally Posted by sparebulb View Post
    It seems as if some common sense can be applied here regarding vegetation.

    Fire resistant desert trees should be incorporated to provide a canopy and smaller vegetation should be selected for fire resistance and moisture retention.....lots of problems solved right there.

    I heard something on the radio about the prevalence of non-native eucalyptus trees which do well in arid conditions, but ignite easily and burn vigorously.
    The freaking eucalyptus trees! All over California. They grow tall, are prone to breaking and blowing over in the wind, and burn like crazy. And a lot of the aerial shots of LA right now show those trees near the homes.

    The AI explanation:

    Eucalyptus in California

    Eucalyptus trees in California are a topic of significant debate due to their invasive nature and potential hazards. Here are some key points about eucalyptus trees in California:

    Invasive Species: Eucalyptus globulus, commonly known as blue gum eucalyptus, was introduced to California during the 1850s California Gold Rush. It is classified as a moderate invasive species by the California Invasive Plant Council (CAL-IPC) because it requires specific conditions to thrive.

    Fire Hazard: Eucalyptus trees are highly flammable and pose a significant fire risk. They contain highly flammable oils and can burn underground, leading to large fires. They are considered a major contributor to wildfire hazards in California.

    Water Consumption: Eucalyptus trees consume a large amount of water, which has raised concerns about their impact on the state’s water resources, especially during drought conditions.

    Impact on Native Species: The spread of eucalyptus trees can alter local ecosystems by displacing native plant species and affecting insect and bird communities. This can disrupt the ecological relationships that have developed over millennia.

    Historical Planting: Millions of eucalyptus trees were planted in California after the Gold Rush, primarily for timber and fuel. However, their use for these purposes did not meet expectations, leading to a significant presence of the trees in the state.

    Removal Efforts: There are ongoing efforts to remove eucalyptus trees, particularly in areas prone to wildfires. For example, a plan to remove tens of thousands of eucalyptus trees from the East Bay Hills aims to reduce fire risk and restore native oak and bay trees.

    Cultural and Historical Significance: Despite the ecological concerns, eucalyptus trees are considered cultural icons in California by some, and their removal is a contentious issue.
    At least they could have imported koala bears to live in the trees...
    Last edited by Brian4Liberty; 01-11-2025 at 12:35 PM.
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    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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  21. #108
    https://x.com/JamesPleickhar2/status...98207686545482


  22. #109
    https://x.com/nypost/status/1878072179096514647


  23. #110
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    This one doesn't make sense. There is no reason for a fire truck driving from Oregon to be anywhere near San Francisco. They would be on Highway 5 in the central valley.
    Community Notes torpedoed that one.

    It was bull$#@!.

    Withdrawn.

    ETA - Hold on a minute...

    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 01-11-2025 at 01:19 PM.
    The whole narrative is absurd on its face - at the same time the USA was both founded on White supremacy, slavery, and genocide, yet always meant to be a place that infinity Africans, Indians, and South Americans could come for a "better life"? - Unknown

  24. #111
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    AF, this is going to be difficult, but you gotta take a break from this ... spend some time breathing in that clean, frozen New Hampshire air ... Snort some maple sugar.
    The story is from Genesius Times, which describes itself as "The Most Reliable Source of Fake News on the Planet".

    Yes, Oregon sent 75 engines and 300 firefighters; they arrived in LA yesterday without being stopped for emissions testing.

    Don't feel bad, my AI agent fell for the fake story too:
    Yes, the Oregon firetrucks were stopped in San Francisco for emissions testing and failed to meet California's stringent emissions standards (see 1). As a result, the trucks were sent back to Oregon, and the firefighters were unable to assist in battling the wildfires (see 1).

    This incident has sparked a debate about the practicality of environmental regulations in emergency situations (see 1).

    Reference 1: https://genesiustimes.com/breaking-c...ail-smog-check
    My choice of third person pronouns for myself is generally irrelevant. I'm not typically involved in the conversations that use them. It's other people referring to me in the third person, usually from a distance. I'm not a conversational partner in those exchanges. Those people could be referring to me as "That A$$hole" or "That Motherfukker" for all I know.

  25. #112
    Quote Originally Posted by Voluntarist View Post
    AF, this is going to be difficult, but you gotta take a break from this ... spend some time breathing in that clean, frozen New Hampshire air ... Snort some maple sugar.
    The story is from Genesius Times, which describes itself as "The Most Reliable Source of Fake News on the Planet".

    Yes, Oregon sent 75 engines and 300 firefighters; they arrived in LA yesterday without being stopped for emissions testing.

    Don't feel bad, my AI agent fell for the fake story too:
    They were stopped in Sacramento for safety inspections:

    Crews from Oregon did a routine safety check with CAL Fire as they passed through Sacramento to make sure all their gear was up to the task of fighting the fires.
    The whole narrative is absurd on its face - at the same time the USA was both founded on White supremacy, slavery, and genocide, yet always meant to be a place that infinity Africans, Indians, and South Americans could come for a "better life"? - Unknown



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  27. #113
    https://x.com/Butch_britton1/status/1878066744297742824


  28. #114
    At least that one makes some sense. It wasn't a Dept of Transportation inspection as reported, but rather a California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection inspection; to ensure they've got the right equipment to enter the chaos. I wouldn't doubt that there was also some impromptu training on coordinating with other fire crews, assignment of radio frequencies, command and control, and all that. The same type of briefing military units do before entering the battlespace. Hmmm, makes me wonder if they have the same type of digital Common Operational Picture that the military maintains for each of its operations.

    The smog inspection was a hoot though.
    My choice of third person pronouns for myself is generally irrelevant. I'm not typically involved in the conversations that use them. It's other people referring to me in the third person, usually from a distance. I'm not a conversational partner in those exchanges. Those people could be referring to me as "That A$$hole" or "That Motherfukker" for all I know.

  29. #115
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    XEET:
    The scariest part of this woke nonsense is when she admits she’s not strong enough to carry a man out of a fire, but it’s really the man’s fault for being in that situation to begin with.
    I thought I'd let you know the story has gone mainstream. Newsweek has an article:
    LAFD Deputy Chief Faces Backlash for Past Remarks on Fire Victims
    Public reactions to the video have been overwhelmingly critical.

    - Jerry Dunleavy, a journalist and author, wrote on X: "That is indeed LAFD Assistant Chief Kristine Larson, and she indeed said exactly what you heard."

    - Mario Nawfal, an entrepreneur and Internet personality, wrote on X: "DEI IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN CARRYING PEOPLE OUT OF FIRES,"

    - Geoffrey Ingersoll, the editor in chief at The Daily Caller, wrote on X: "When people's houses are burning down, they want a firefighter to show up and not make it about anything else."

    - Rich Kelsey, a lawyer and author, wrote on X: "Assistant Chief? Are you kidding me? This is beyond tone-deaf."
    My choice of third person pronouns for myself is generally irrelevant. I'm not typically involved in the conversations that use them. It's other people referring to me in the third person, usually from a distance. I'm not a conversational partner in those exchanges. Those people could be referring to me as "That A$$hole" or "That Motherfukker" for all I know.

  30. #116
    Quote Originally Posted by Voluntarist View Post
    The smog inspection was a hoot though.
    It would not surprise me if that was included as well.

    CA has a "clean idle" regulation for heavy diesel trucks.

    Since fire trucks have to operate for extended periods at high idle, I'll be willing to bet that non-CA certified fire trucks from other states are not in compliance with the clean idle rules.
    The whole narrative is absurd on its face - at the same time the USA was both founded on White supremacy, slavery, and genocide, yet always meant to be a place that infinity Africans, Indians, and South Americans could come for a "better life"? - Unknown

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  32. #118
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Voluntarist View Post
    At least that one makes some sense. It wasn't a Dept of Transportation inspection as reported, but rather a California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection inspection; to ensure they've got the right equipment to enter the chaos. I wouldn't doubt that there was also some impromptu training on coordinating with other fire crews, assignment of radio frequencies, command and control, and all that. The same type of briefing military units do before entering the battlespace. Hmmm, makes me wonder if they have the same type of digital Common Operational Picture that the military maintains for each of its operations.

    The smog inspection was a hoot though.
    It would not surprise me if that was included as well.

    CA has a "clean idle" regulation for heavy diesel trucks.

    Since fire trucks have to operate for extended periods at high idle, I'll be willing to bet that non-CA certified fire trucks from other states are not in compliance with the clean idle rules.
    Me, trying to imagine firetrucks that meet or exceed Oregon's standards, but which fail to meet California's standards, being permitted to fight fires in California:
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 01-12-2025 at 08:49 AM.

  33. #119
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    A great thread.

    Chad Crowley @ CCrowley100

    [...]
    THREAD: The collapse of complex societies

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