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    Post RFK Jr puts food lobbyists on notice

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    This could go well or it could go poorly... The government shouldn't be telling us what to eat. On the other hand, the government shouldn't be encouraging or subsidizing low quality food either. The only correct answer is to get the government out of the way here.
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    If the NONS are going to buy out enough Dems and Reps who are "gettable" to reject RFK Jr.'s appointment, it's going to cost them a lot of money.

    No big deal for them, but what do you think the rate will be? I wonder how much the offshore lawyers get for a cut.
    "When Sombart says: "Capitalism is born from the money-loan", I should like to add to this: Capitalism actually exists only in the money-loan;" - Theodor Fritsch

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    Imagine living in 2024/2025 and still thinking that the food industry is a free market. Get with the times. Government is in bed with food and ag corporations. So, I won't be crying a river for the poor, poor multi-billion dollar global corporations are forced to remove toxic chemicals from our food.

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    Quote Originally Posted by familydog View Post
    Imagine living in 2024/2025 and still thinking that the food industry is a free market.
    Valid point. But the way to fix it is NOT by adding more government control or involvement, just the opposite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Valid point. But the way to fix it is NOT by adding more government control or involvement, just the opposite.
    One "easy" thing to do is get rid of the corn subsidies and the sugar tariffs.

    Then maybe everything will stop having HFCS in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    One "easy" thing to do is get rid of the corn subsidies and the sugar tariffs.

    Then maybe everything will stop having HFCS in it.
    And the embargo on Cuba and their sugar!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    This could go well or it could go poorly... The government shouldn't be telling us what to eat. On the other hand, the government shouldn't be encouraging or subsidizing low quality food either. The only correct answer is to get the government out of the way here.
    A lot of people don't truly know what they're eating though, and I think the corporations who buy the lobbyists and use the revolving door at the FDA to keep favorable people in charge of the decision-making, like it that way.

    A proper role of government is to protect people from fraud, and I think a convincing case could be made against companies putting toxins in the food, on those grounds.

    It really wouldn't take much for us to ask our friends in Europe to share their research on why they banned certain chemicals from being used in food processing. Here in America it's like we just don't give a sh**. (but I think we would, if people were informed)
    Last edited by nobody's_hero; 12-27-2024 at 10:59 PM.
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    This is getting silly.
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    It started silly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Valid point. But the way to fix it is NOT by adding more government control or involvement, just the opposite.
    You're missing the point. It's not adding more government control to simply tell Kellogg's that they can't use toxic chemicals in their breakfast cereal for children. It's literally not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by familydog View Post
    You're missing the point. It's not adding more government control to simply tell Kellogg's that they can't use toxic chemicals in their breakfast cereal for children. It's literally not.
    It is unconstitutional for the federal government to do it, yes. And also, there shouldn't be regulation, but instead damages via torts for doing things that harm others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    A proper role of government is to protect people from fraud
    Kind of. The government has basically one job, and that is to provide justice. That doesn't really mean "keeping us safe" because that mentality leads to autocracy. If someone harms you, then the government is there to provide justice for that action, and how it does that depends on how severe it is. Civil court, lawsuits, or criminal penalties. But as far as something similar to prior restraint, no the government shouldn't.
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    It seems like real food, eggs, meats, and other things are getting demonized in favor of everything prepared. Why can't I go to the hardware and purchase dynamite to blast out a stump or split a rock? Why can't I purchase an effective rodent, roach, or ant, killer without a license? There are many agriculture items that were once on the market that are now banned. If I cannot put something on my crop, why should a manufacturer be able to put equally addictive and or health damaging things in prepared foods?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Kind of. The government has basically one job, and that is to provide justice. That doesn't really mean "keeping us safe" because that mentality leads to autocracy. If someone harms you, then the government is there to provide justice for that action, and how it does that depends on how severe it is. Civil court, lawsuits, or criminal penalties. But as far as something similar to prior restraint, no the government shouldn't.
    If the FDA approves it, there's no lawyer who is going to take up any case against a major food corporation. The FDA's approval is essentially shielding them from liability. Any lawsuit brought forth would be DoA.

    Hence, removal of such approval would not be 'more government', even if the result would be, in essence, a ban on those additives.

    This is one of those things I can't really get animated about.

    I see it the same as when people here freaked about governments (mainly states) going after Facebook and other social media. "Oh no, protect the free market!"

    Yeah, no. As suspected and was later revealed, Facebook was willfully working with the government to censor/ban/remove/throttle unpopular (dissenting) viewpoints.

    It's, basically, the same as with the food industry.

    If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself.
    Last edited by nobody's_hero; 12-28-2024 at 11:03 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is getting silly.
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    It started silly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philhelm
    I part ways with "libertarianism" when it transitions from ideology grounded in logic into self-defeating autism for the sake of ideological purity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    It is unconstitutional for the federal government to do it, yes.
    This isn't a country of laws. This is a country of political will.

    Corn and wheat subsidies are also unconstitutional, but they aren't going away. So telling telling direct and indirect beneficiaries of welfare what they can and can't do doesn't give anyone the right to get on a moral high ground.

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    And also, there shouldn't be regulation
    But there are regulations and they aren't going away. Stop living in libertarian fantasy land and live in the real world.

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    Any company that put toxic chemicals in our food need to be watched.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    Any company that put toxic chemicals in our food need to be watched.
    They need to be sued into bankruptcy and the people who did it held personally and/or criminally liable. But that doesn't take the FDA to accomplish. And it shouldn't be done at the federal level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by familydog View Post
    This isn't a country of laws. This is a country of political will.
    Well, yeah... that's true. Very fair point.




    Quote Originally Posted by familydog View Post
    But there are regulations and they aren't going away. Stop living in libertarian fantasy land and live in the real world.
    You don't fix thing by making bad laws "better" ... you fix things by eliminating the bad laws.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    You don't fix thing by making bad laws "better" ... you fix things by eliminating the bad laws.
    Sure, but telling a company they can't poison us is not a bad law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by familydog View Post
    Sure, but telling a company they can't poison us is not a bad law.
    Well 1, it's not the federal government's job to do that. The state governments can do that if they want, but the Constitution doesn't permit the Feds to regulate food.

    Also, I agree, government should provide justice and hold people accountable for their actions. But no prior restraint.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Well 1, it's not the federal government's job to do that. The state governments can do that if they want, but the Constitution doesn't permit the Feds to regulate food.

    Also, I agree, government should provide justice and hold people accountable for their actions. But no prior restraint.
    I don't like that the FDA exists, but if it does exist, I would prefer it exist in a manner that might actually be useful.

    And as nobody's hero pointed out, it doesn't really count as "more government" for the FDA to remove liability protection for a food ingredient.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Well 1, it's not the federal government's job to do that. The state governments can do that if they want, but the Constitution doesn't permit the Feds to regulate food.
    Allow me to repeat. We are not a country of laws, but a country of political will. This is why libertarians will never win or be relevant.

    The Constitution also does not allow for corporate welfare, but we have it and it's not going away. Putting rules and regulations on how taxpayer money is used is not bad policy.

    This is like complaining that it's unconstitutional to regularly drug test food stamp recipients. You've just entirely missed the point. Probably on purpose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    I don't like that the FDA exists, but if it does exist, I would prefer it exist in a manner that might actually be useful.

    And as nobody's hero pointed out, it doesn't really count as "more government" for the FDA to remove liability protection for a food ingredient.
    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    If the FDA approves it, there's no lawyer who is going to take up any case against a major food corporation. The FDA's approval is essentially shielding them from liability. Any lawsuit brought forth would be DoA.
    The FDA is unconstitutional and shouldn't exist.

    Quote Originally Posted by familydog View Post

    This is like complaining that it's unconstitutional to regularly drug test food stamp recipients. You've just entirely missed the point. Probably on purpose.
    You don't fix big government by piling on more government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    The FDA is unconstitutional and shouldn't exist.
    Yea but it does exist

    What are you going to do about it
    Last edited by TheTexan; 01-09-2025 at 12:03 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by familydog View Post
    Allow me to repeat. We are not a country of laws, but a country of political will. This is why libertarians will never win or be relevant.

    The Constitution also does not allow for corporate welfare, but we have it and it's not going away. Putting rules and regulations on how taxpayer money is used is not bad policy.

    This is like complaining that it's unconstitutional to regularly drug test food stamp recipients. You've just entirely missed the point. Probably on purpose.
    One could even argue it's "less government" if it results in less spending due to stricter eligibility.
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
    - Kim Kardashian

    Donald Trump / Crenshaw 2024!!!!

    My pronouns are he/him/his



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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    Yea but it does exist

    What are you going to do about it
    Can't do anything about it. The federal government is unreformable.
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    You would be shocked how many foods contain acetic acid! That stuff is used to clean counters. They just list it in their ingredients as vinegar. Be on the lookout for it. This needs to be banned!
    There is nothing to fear from globalism, free trade and a single worldwide currency, but a globalism where free trade is competitively subsidized by each nation, a continuous trade war is dictated by the WTO, and the single currency is pure fiat, fear is justified. That type of globalism is destined to collapse into economic despair, inflationism and protectionism and managed by resurgent militant nationalism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unknown View Post
    Mainstream media trying to stay relevant.



    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/08/h...ildren-iq.html
    If I remember correctly many child dentists promote and encourage flouride treatments for children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Can't do anything about it. The federal government is unreformable.
    So there's not really anything to lose by letting RFK,jr go ham then, if for nothing else than exposure.

    At least, that's how I see it.
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    This is getting silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It started silly.
    T.S. Eliot's The Hollow Men

    We Are Running Out of Time - Mini Me

    Quote Originally Posted by Philhelm
    I part ways with "libertarianism" when it transitions from ideology grounded in logic into self-defeating autism for the sake of ideological purity.



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