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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    An airburst nuke along with anti-satellite weapons will bring a modern nation to it's knees. No power, internet or GPS. Those will be the first shots in the next world war. Nothing functions without those anymore.
    You're right about this, but it also makes my point.

    80 years ago, when the nation still had the manpower with the needed skills, the machinery and the infrastructure, we could launch a ship a day that was capable of global reach and needed not a single computer chip to operate or navigate effectively.
    The whole narrative is absurd on its face - at the same time the USA was both founded on White supremacy, slavery, and genocide, yet always meant to be a place that infinity Africans, Indians, and South Americans could come for a "better life"? - Unknown



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    The whole narrative is absurd on its face - at the same time the USA was both founded on White supremacy, slavery, and genocide, yet always meant to be a place that infinity Africans, Indians, and South Americans could come for a "better life"? - Unknown



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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    Believe what you want. Most first world nations have become so soft and dependent on tech that an EMP is the most effective weapon out there. I'm not wrong.

  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    You're right about this, but it also makes my point.

    80 years ago, when the nation still had the manpower with the needed skills, the machinery and the infrastructure, we could launch a ship a day that was capable of global reach and needed not a single computer chip to operate or navigate effectively.
    Young people were different then. Forget building them, because that isn't the largest problem. The vast majority of US men of fighting age now, could not or would not fight. Without them, ships are still irrelevent.

  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    Not true. Some power stations have been taken out, but in the western portion of the country life is fairly normal, they have power and internet.

    An airburst nuke along with anti-satellite weapons will bring a modern nation to it's knees. No power, internet or GPS. Those will be the first shots in the next world war. Nothing functions without those anymore.
    90% of Ukraines coal plants have been disabled. You're nuts if you think they still have reliable power. They're subsisting on minimal hours of power a day.

    Which provides evidence of an additional point: it's not really possible to knock out a country's power grid completely, and keep it down, because they're just gonna repair it right back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    90% of Ukraines coal plants have been disabled. You're nuts if you think they still have reliable power. They're subsisting on minimal hours of power a day.

    Which provides evidence of an additional point: it's not really possible to knock out a country's power grid completely, and keep it down, because they're just gonna repair it right back.
    They get most of their power from nuclear and Russia won't bomb them.

    Shooting down satellites followed by an airburst nuke and nothing is getting fixed. First because there will be mass confusion and no communications. Second it's nothing like what is happening in Ukraine. It's not just a blown up power plant. EMP from a high yield high altitude airbust will take out all the substations, the power lines, all the transformers, everything will be unusable for up to 1000 mile range. No cell phones, no land lines, no sat phones. Any radio equipment that isn't shielded will not work.

    If you think this is fantasy or hollywood, think again. China has a tested, fully functional ground based anti satellite weapon. Russia has space based nuclear anti satellite weapons. Even North Korea has missiles that can reach the US and high altitude airburst.

    The scale of an attack like this in our modern completely tech dependant world with a soft population is unprecedented. I believe a war can be won without a gunshot fired or a boot on the ground.

  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    Young people were different then. Forget building them, because that isn't the largest problem. The vast majority of US men of fighting age now, could not or would not fight. Without them, ships are still irrelevent.
    Well, sure, but that's a different issue from the case you were making.

    That's one of the nice things about ships though.

    I'm old and broke down, but I can still command a ship if I had to.
    The whole narrative is absurd on its face - at the same time the USA was both founded on White supremacy, slavery, and genocide, yet always meant to be a place that infinity Africans, Indians, and South Americans could come for a "better life"? - Unknown

  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    They get most of their power from nuclear and Russia won't bomb them.

    Shooting down satellites followed by an airburst nuke and nothing is getting fixed. First because there will be mass confusion and no communications. Second it's nothing like what is happening in Ukraine. It's not just a blown up power plant. EMP from a high yield high altitude airbust will take out all the substations, the power lines, all the transformers, everything will be unusable for up to 1000 mile range. No cell phones, no land lines, no sat phones. Any radio equipment that isn't shielded will not work.

    If you think this is fantasy or hollywood, think again. China has a tested, fully functional ground based anti satellite weapon. Russia has space based nuclear anti satellite weapons. Even North Korea has missiles that can reach the US and high altitude airburst.

    The scale of an attack like this in our modern completely tech dependant world with a soft population is unprecedented. I believe a war can be won without a gunshot fired or a boot on the ground.
    You're still missing the point that if they can EMP us, then we can EMP them. And then it's back to traditional warfare.

    If someone were to EMP attack the US, do you think we would just put up our hands and be like well might as well just give up peacefully? LOL no.

    Military and core critical infrastructure is shielded against EMP. The war would continue.
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    Another worrying indicator is shipbuilding capacity. Commercial shipbuilding in the U.S. is virtually nonexistent: in 2022, the U.S. had just five large oceangoing commercial ships on order, compared to China’s 1,794
    The company I last worked for had a number of vessels made in China.

    They were taken out of service roughly 15 years into a projected 20 year service life, because the recycled $#@! Chinese steel started to, quite literally, delaminate like wet plywood and they started failing annual inspections.
    The whole narrative is absurd on its face - at the same time the USA was both founded on White supremacy, slavery, and genocide, yet always meant to be a place that infinity Africans, Indians, and South Americans could come for a "better life"? - Unknown



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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    Those "boats" can see and remove submarines and have been able to for many decades.
    Things have changed, though. Boats are vulnerable before they even leave port. In order for them to hunt subs, they have to be still floating.
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