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Yet another reason why these insane halfwits that are running this $#@! show have no clue about what they are doing.
Trying to start a world war when we can no longer build warships on a bloated, cost overrunning federal budget, let alone the support ships required.
Or anything else needed for a multi theater war.
The whole narrative is absurd on its face - at the same time the USA was both founded on White supremacy, slavery, and genocide, yet always meant to be a place that infinity Africans, Indians, and South Americans could come for a "better life"? - Unknown
Doesn't matter. Wars aren't fought with ships anymore.
The whole narrative is absurd on its face - at the same time the USA was both founded on White supremacy, slavery, and genocide, yet always meant to be a place that infinity Africans, Indians, and South Americans could come for a "better life"? - Unknown
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As expected, guess plan was to outsource to cicoms wile at war w. cicoms . Sounds like fed planning ability. Were more worried about q u e e r s
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Current conflicts still are; but face it, for current adversaries, they're overkill on the order of taking out a mosquito with a hand grenade. Overpriced for what you're doing with it. As long as the US is up against mere nuisances (you know, the ones screaming at us to keep our filthy hands off their deserts), the current naval force is a McClaren that you only drive to the local market and back. Even at that, though, they're only good in the open ocean. I posted recently about the USS Gettysburg downing a US F/A-18 in the Red Sea - there just isn't enough time to react in close quarters while doing due diligence.
For future conflicts though (WWII-size conflicts with another superpower), they are insufficient to the task - on the order of how Patton described the Maginot line ("Permanent fortifications such as the Maginot line are a tribute to man's stupidity"). Ooooooo, they're 4,000 miles away and cruising at us at 25 knots; what shall we ever do?
One of the naval fighting forces that does make sense, though, are submarines. Basically undetectable. They can crawl within 20 miles of shore and don't even need to surface to fire a hyper-sonic missile. They're also the only part of the nuclear triad that still makes any sense.
Callout to @XNavyNuke to get him to weigh in.
Last edited by Voluntarist; 12-25-2024 at 08:52 PM.
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Hypersonic missles with world wide reach make destroyers obsolete.
It's not the 40's anymore. It wouldn't be like WW2. You don't need ships. People are soft and supply chains are long. All a potential invading power has to do is knock out internet and power. Everything will descend into chaos in a few days, a first world country could be taken out in a month. The population would starve and kill each other without the need for an opposing power to even set foot on land, no less fire a shot.
Last edited by 69360; 12-25-2024 at 09:51 PM.
Agree with this. Hypersonic missiles are the game-changer. We spent our money on designing a stealth destoyer. Russia spent its money on a missile that will whiz right over that destroyer and onto its target before the radar officer even gets out of his bunk.
That's what irks me about people clamoring for the Ukraine war. As if Russia is still some backwoods country using spears and arrows.
We're not dealing with Iraqi T-55s.
Last edited by Anti Federalist; 12-26-2024 at 03:45 PM.
The whole narrative is absurd on its face - at the same time the USA was both founded on White supremacy, slavery, and genocide, yet always meant to be a place that infinity Africans, Indians, and South Americans could come for a "better life"? - Unknown
Exactly right.
And those supply chains are dependent on sea lanes.
When the Germans essentially shut down trans Atlantic shipping to the US in 1940, the US did not collapse because we made and grew most everything we needed.
That is no longer the case.
Without sea trade and the power to protect that trade, this nation would collapse in weeks.
You are right, that may be impossible to do any longer.
Which is why we should be doing everything possible to produce, grow and manufacture what we need and want here.
The whole narrative is absurd on its face - at the same time the USA was both founded on White supremacy, slavery, and genocide, yet always meant to be a place that infinity Africans, Indians, and South Americans could come for a "better life"? - Unknown
And what do you think tracks & intercepts those hypersonic missiles? Ships with radar & hypersonic missiles.
Hypersonic missiles changes nothing. If anything, it makes ships all the more important, because land and space-based radar & countermeasures alone are not able to track & intercept hypersonic missiles on their own.
If we were to rely on land (and space) based countermeasures, any attempt at interception would be too little, too late.
Last edited by TheTexan; 12-26-2024 at 12:26 AM.
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Yes, and good luck destroying a sub with a cruise missile.
You know what does take out submarines? Ships. (including submarines)
Without ships, we'd have enemy submarines right on our borders.
Ships are not going to become irrelevant any time soon. Manned ships will become irrelevant over the coming decades, but there will always be ships.
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Submarines are undetectable, for now. Within the next 50 years however, the ocean will be filled with millions of drones, making it impossible for any kind of submarine to remain hidden.
Everyone talks about the space race, but the real prize is whoever wins the race to conquer the ocean with drones. Dominance of the sea is arguably much more important than dominance of space, as missiles can be launched from the ocean into space, but as of yet, torpedos can't really be launched from space into the ocean. (and certainly not in the quantities that would be required to counter the drones)
Whoever wins the sea, wins space. And whoever wins space, wins the world.
Last edited by TheTexan; 12-26-2024 at 12:46 AM.
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The notion that imperium can be effectively or efficiently projected (let alone maintained) without significant naval power across a planet 70% of which is covered with water is utterly absurd. I don't give a damn how badly you can bomb some unfortunate patch of land into utter ruin, just by using satellites or missiles or such - keeping, controlling, and/or exploiting that land afterwards (which is the whole point and object of war) is a completely different matter.
I would also note that the concept denoted by the term "naval vessels" encompasses a hell of a lot more than just war ships designed for immediate, tactical, range-of-the-moment offense and attack. As everyone from Sun Tzu to Clausewitz (including any general or admiral with a minimal level of competence) could tell you, strategic logistics is one of the most critical factors in winning wars (and then in keeping - or at least controlling and/or exploiting - what you've won afterwards).
So unless those fancy satellites (or other high-tech gewgaws) come equipped with Star-Trek-style "transporter" beams capable of "beaming" troops, personnel and supplies around the planet, then "naval vessels" are indeed going to continue to be an absolutely and extremely important element in any endeavor by any nation-state to project and maintain force around the globe - and any such nation-state whose ability to produce and maintain such "naval vessels" has been significantly compromised is going to have a serious problem on its hands.
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The whole narrative is absurd on its face - at the same time the USA was both founded on White supremacy, slavery, and genocide, yet always meant to be a place that infinity Africans, Indians, and South Americans could come for a "better life"? - Unknown
- Kim KardashianIt's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
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Those "boats" can see and remove submarines and have been able to for many decades.
Here is a video of the ship that was our sister ship when I was in the navy. She was a WWII destroyer.
I always wondered why her skin was dished in and her skeleton could be seen from the outside.
Ships are just the taxi service for the Marines![]()
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- Kim KardashianIt's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
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- Kim KardashianIt's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
Donald Trump / Crenshaw 2024!!!!
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Not true. Some power stations have been taken out, but in the western portion of the country life is fairly normal, they have power and internet.
An airburst nuke along with anti-satellite weapons will bring a modern nation to it's knees. No power, internet or GPS. Those will be the first shots in the next world war. Nothing functions without those anymore.
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