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  1. #61
    They arrested the wrong man. The perp used a silencer. The man they arrested is Italian and I have never known an Italian who attempted to do anything quietly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    The insurance companies are not innocent or blameless.
    In my opinion it's 100% the fault of government.
    It is not "100% the fault of the government".

    I already addressed this in the part of my post you omitted:
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    The insurance companies are not innocent or blameless.

    It's not like [insurance companies] just wanted to mind their own business, but the government barged in and messed things up, and the insurance companies had to be dragged into it kicking and screaming.

    The government is indeed the ultimate source of the problem, but "it takes two to tango", as they say - and insurance company lobbyists know all the steps.
    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    "Blaming" the insurance companies makes it sound like you want the government to punish them as part of the solution.
    In principle, I would have no problem with them being punished as part of the solution, if that were ever to happen.

    I don't demand it - but I don't have a problem with it, either.

    I myself would be entirely satisfied if, by getting the government completely out of health care, they were merely prevented in the future from forcibly warping and extorting the market in their favor. But I would also have no problem with things going further than that, and holding them liable for the favors and fortunes they have willfully used government to forcibly extort from the market in the past - because, as I have said, it takes two to tango, and they are not entirely innocent or blameless for the current state of affairs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    If you agree with me that 100% of the solution is to get government out of health care then we agree and are just arguing about semantics.
    I agree that that is the solution. I do not agree that that solution means private-sector actors are entirely innocent and blameless merely because they are private-sector actors.

    Getting the government out of the health care business would remove the incentives (indeed, the very capacity) for insurance companies to forcibly warp and extort the market in their favor. It would not, however, absolve them of their responsibility for having previously done so.

    Again, they have not been dragged kicking and screaming into the current state of affairs. They have actively sought and promoted government involvement in health care precisely for the purpose of forcibly warping and extorting the market in their favor - and they would vehemently oppose getting the government out of health care for the same reasons. Some of the worst enemies of the private sector are to be found in the private sector, and declaring that it is all just and only the government's fault is blinkered and naive.

  4. #63
    This guy will serve as the fall guy while the real perpetrator is still out there.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

  5. #64


    vittorio

    @IterIntellectus
    i haven’t slept
    > be luigi nicholas mangione
    > born 1998, maryland
    > family is loaded—grandfather built golf resorts and luxury clubs
    > grows up in towson, goes to elite private school (gilman)
    > $40k/year tuition but worth every penny—valedictorian 2016
    > classmates describe him as “inventive, courageous, charming”
    > ivy league material, gets into upenn
    > studies computer science and math, minors in philosophy (red flag?)
    > co-founds a game dev club, works on ai competitions (halite iii)
    > perfect chad: handsome, athletic, ambitious
    > graduates in 2020 with a bs/ms combo—dream life unlocked
    > lands data engineer job at truecar, moves to san francisco
    > 2021: cracks start forming
    > gets into surfing accident while on vacation in hawaii
    > chronic low back pain (clbp) becomes his entire personality
    > can’t work out, can’t sit, can’t live like a normal chad anymore
    > goes through the healthcare system hellscape—insurance denies surgery
    > spends on specialists, treatments fail, pain keeps getting worse
    > resentment grows, starts ranting about “parasite healthcare execs”
    > gets weirdly into niche books:
    >> “crooked: outwitting the back pain industry”
    >> “back mechanic” by stuart mcgill
    >> ted kaczynski’s *industrial society and its future* (4 stars on goodreads)
    > posts online about banning porn (“toxic masculinity is under attack”)
    > follows erowid, explores psychedelics for “self-healing”
    > tweets get spicier, but no one pays much attention
    > 2022: goes on an ayahuasca retreat
    > desperate for relief, looking for answers beyond medicine
    > claims he “saw God” during the trip but also fought off shadowy entities
    >> describes these as “6D demons” trying to implant ideas into his mind
    >> later tweets cryptic things like:
    >>> “not all pain is physical”
    >>> “they feed on fear, but you can push them back if you see their shape”
    >>> “healthcare is only a part of the cage”
    > friends think he’s having a spiritual awakening, but vibe gets darker
    > deletes most of his old tweets, only posts sporadically after this
    > by 2023, he’s fully withdrawn, but *something about him seems different*
    >> doesn’t talk about the demons anymore, like the memory was scrubbed
    > 2023: leaves truecar, moves to hawaii permanently
    > broke, depressed, living off savings, spiraling quietly
    > becomes a ghost online—posts less, deletes a lot of old tweets
    > but what’s left feels curated, too on-brand (weird foreshadowing?)
    > december 4, 2024: unitedhealthcare ceo brian thompson assassinated
    > shot outside hilton midtown hotel in broad daylight
    > december 9: luigi arrested at mcdonald’s in altoona, pennsylvania
    > found with:
    >> 3d-printed ghost gun (zero serial numbers, spooky tech vibes)
    >> silencer
    >> fake ids (plural, why?)
    >> handwritten manifesto blaming healthcare execs for “killing americans”

    > here’s where it gets *weird*
    > the manifesto:
    >> calls ceos “parasites” and “powerful abusers”
    >> apologizes for “any trauma caused” but says “this had to happen”
    >> specifically names unitedhealthcare as the enemy of the people
    > but... it reads like something out of a hollywood movie:
    >> too polished, too coherent for a supposed back-pain-ridden maniac
    >> no spelling errors, perfect grammar, emotional yet calculated—sus
    > timeline doesn’t add up:
    >> luigi’s last known address was in hawaii. how does he suddenly turn up in nyc?
    >> uses a fake id to check into a hostel near the crime scene—how convenient
    >> goes *from hawaii to nyc to pennsylvania* in a matter of days
    >> gets caught at a mcdonald’s after a nationwide manhunt. really?
    > ghost gun raises red flags:
    >> why would a guy like luigi—ivy grad, tech-savvy, spotless record—print a gun?
    >> ghost guns are perfect deep state props: untraceable, terrifying, buzzword-worthy
    >> feels like a setup to push the “diy domestic terrorism” narrative
    > his social media suddenly blows up:
    >> goodreads reviews of ted kaczynski go viral after the arrest
    >> tweets about healthcare and porn resurface, painting him as a “radicalized genius”
    >> but the timing feels off—like it was *meant* to create this image
    > friends and family shocked:
    >> “he was a good kid,” “never showed signs of violence,” “always so bright”
    >> doesn’t fit the profile of a guy who’d snap and assassinate a ceo

    > it’s a psyop
    > luigi is the perfect recruit:
    >> ivy league pedigree = media catnip, relatable to both elites and normies
    >> chronic pain = universal sympathy, emotional hook for the masses
    >> anti-healthcare sentiment = taps into leftist rage against capitalism
    >> manosphere vibes = taints the right with “toxic masculinity” optics
    >> erowid + psychedelics = mkultra callback, easy to manipulate mindset
    > the 6D demon fight was part of the setup:
    >> ayahuasca trip wasn’t self-healing—it was an astral battleground
    >> cia or another deep-state group planted the entities to “break” his spiritual defenses
    >> they didn’t just want to brainwash him—they wanted to hollow him out completely
    >> the fight left cracks in his psyche, making him easier to manipulate afterward
    >> his cryptic tweets (“they feed on fear”) were cries for help before they fully got to him
    > by the time of the ceo murder, he’s fully under their control.
    >> either the demons broke him, or the deep state leveraged the battle to finalize his reprogramming
    > the actual hit? not luigi’s doing:
    >> cia or mossad carried out the assassination (silencer screams pro job)
    >> luigi’s memories implanted to make him the fall guy
    >> ghost gun planted as evidence to tie him to the crime

    > why this psyop now?
    > because right vs left was collapsing:
    >> trump united silicon valley libertarians, populists, unions, and vc bros
    >> woke politics were dying, and no one cared about identity battles anymore
    >> deep state needed a new cultural fracture to maintain control
    > solution: a class war
    >> kill a ceo, blame a relatable radical, watch the chaos unfold
    >> left: “luigi is a hero fighting corporate greed!”
    >> right: “he’s a manosphere nutjob demonizing capitalism!”
    >> the coalition fractures—rich vs poor takes center stage
    > deeper goal:
    >> scare silicon valley vc into compliance (don’t back anti-establishment movements)
    >> pit labor unions and working-class populists against tech elites
    >> distract from actual healthcare corruption with calls for more surveillance

    > but the cracks are obvious:
    >> manifesto reads like a marketing pitch for a class war—too perfect
    >> how does a supposed radical assassin *not* have an escape plan?
    >> ghost gun is too convenient—like it was meant to terrify normies
    >> social media timeline feels curated—where’s the raw, messy history?

    > the psyop isn’t just about luigi
    > it’s about sending a message:
    >> “we control the narrative, and we can turn anyone into a villain or a hero”
    >> “don’t question the system, or this could be you”

    > luigi didn’t kill brian thompson
    > the deep state did
    > 3/10 psyop—lazy execution, but it’s working
    > don’t fall for it, anon
    https://x.com/IterIntellectus/status...71620505907342
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  7. #65
    That's good to know, I'll remember that.

    Sen. Elizabeth Warren on MSNBC 10 Dec 2024:

    Host Joy Reid said, [relevant exchange begins around 36:20] “So, we’ve been talking a lot about this Luigi Mangione, the case about the UnitedHealthcare CEO. People are very angry at UnitedHealthcare, I think, for a good reason, denying care, and the whole system. And we were just talking in the previous block, killing a CEO is not the way you change. You have to regulate them, right? And so, we’ve got attempts to try to rein in some of these big businesses. The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, which was your creation, the Trump administration wants to get rid of it. That is like protecting people from, like, credit card fraud. What happens if that goes away?”

    Warren agreed that regulating, not killing CEOs is how you change things and answered, “So, look, terrible for individuals, but stop and think, overall, about the social contract. Part of the deal in how we’ve kept this democracy, this economy, this country on a fairly steady path for more than 200 years has been that those at the top pay a little more in taxes, are a little less rich than they otherwise might be, and everybody else at least gets a chance. And what happens, when you turn this into the billionaires run it all, is they get the opportunity to squeeze every last penny. And look, we’ll say it over and over, violence is never the answer, this guy gets a trial, who’s allegedly killed the CEO of UnitedHealth[care].

    But you can only push people so far, and then, they start to take matters into their own hands.”
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  8. #66
    One can be both morally outraged by such a heinous and blatantly unlawful act while also acknowledging that the victim may have little to no sympathy and that perhaps even a modicum of justice might have been served at some level (even if inappropriately). The two are not mutually exclusive.



    And then there are the potential conspiratorial aspects of the situation which can also be true.
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  9. #67
    Who knows any details about this allegedly 3D printed gun? What actually was this? The innards of a regular gun with some 3D printed plastic parts attached to it? Did he machine the metal parts?

    This is the kind of thing that media will report all kinds of wrong things about because they don't have a clue what they're talking about.

    Edit: Here's the most I've been able to find so far:
    "Officers located a black 3D-printed pistol and a black silencer," wrote Tyler Frye and Joseph Detwiler, members of the Altoona Police Department, in a criminal complaint filed in Blair County, Pennsylvania. They described the weapon as having "a metal slide and a plastic handle with a metal threaded barrel."
    They mention the metal parts and then just go on like that's not a significant detail.

    They go on:
    "The pistol had one loaded Glock magazine with six nine-millimeter full metal jacket rounds. There was also one loose nine-millimeter hollow point round," the officers wrote. "The silencer was also 3D printed."
    Interesting that they use the word "silencer." These are cops, not gun-phobic journalists whose concepts of firearms come from movies.

    Are 3D printed suppressors any good? Sounds like an interesting idea.

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/ghost-gun-...y?id=116628536
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  11. #69
    Progressivism and the Murder of a Health Insurance CEO
    https://mises.org/mises-wire/progres...-insurance-ceo
    {Connor O'Keeffe | 10 December 2024}

    Last week, UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson was shot to death on a New York City sidewalk in what was clearly a thoroughly planned-out attack. Over the next few days, as authorities hunted for the killer, online progressives did not try hard to hide their delight that a millionaire health insurance executive like Thompson was killed.

    Social media was flooded with posts and videos—with different ranges of subtlety—suggesting that Thompson, at the very least, did not deserve to be mourned because of all the health care his company has denied to poor and working people. Progressives framed the shooting as an act of self-defense on behalf of the working class. Before the alleged killer was caught Monday, they promised not to snitch if they saw the shooter themselves and fantasized about a working-class jury nullifying all charges, leading to other CEOs getting gunned down with impunity if they oversaw price increases.

    The narrative that these online progressives clearly subscribe to and perpetuate is one where, in the United States, healthcare is a totally unfettered, unregulated industry; where—because of a total lack of government involvement—wealthy CEOs charge whatever prices they want and then refuse to provide customers what they already paid for without facing any bad consequences.

    The characterization of healthcare and health insurance companies charging absurdly high prices while treating their customers terribly without the risk of losing them is spot on.

    But the idea that what caused this was a lack of government involvement in the healthcare system is completely delusional. And this delusion conveniently removes all the responsibility progressives bear for the nightmare that is the US healthcare system.

    Today, healthcare is one of the most heavily government-regulated industries in the economy—right up there with the finance and energy sectors. Government agencies are involved in all parts of the process, from the research and production of drugs, the training and licensing of medical professionals, and the building of hospitals to the availability of health insurance, the makeup of insurance plans, and the complicated payment processes.

    And that is nothing new. The US government has been intervening heavily in the healthcare industry for over a century. And no group has done more to bring this about than the progressives.

    It really began, after all, during the Progressive Era, when the American Medical Association maneuvered its way into setting the official accreditation standards for the nation’s “unregulated” medical schools. The AMA wrote standards that excluded the medical approaches of their competitors, which forced half of the nation’s medical schools to close. The new shortage of trained doctors drove up the price of medical services—to the delight of the AMA and other government-recognized doctor’s groups—setting the familiar healthcare affordability crisis in motion.

    Around the same time, progressives successfully pushed for strict restrictions on the production of drugs and, shortly afterward, to grant drug producers monopoly privileges.

    After WWII, as healthcare grew more expensive, the government used the tax code to warp how Americans paid for healthcare. Under President Truman, the IRS made employer-provided health insurance tax deductible while continuing to tax other means of payment. It didn’t take long for employer plans to become the dominant arrangement and for health insurance to morph away from actual insurance into a general third-party payment system.

    These government interventions restricting the supply of medical care and privileging insurance over other payment methods created a real affordability problem for many Americans. But the crisis didn’t really start until the 1960s when Congress passed two of the progressive’s favorite government programs—Medicare and Medicaid.

    Initially, industry groups like the AMA opposed Medicare and Medicaid because they believed the government subsidies would deteriorate the quality of care. They were right about that, but what they clearly didn’t anticipate was how rich the programs would make them.

    Anyone who’s taken even a single introductory economics class could tell you that prices will rise if supply decreases or demand increases. The government was already keeping the supply of medical services artificially low—leading to artificially high prices. Medicare and Medicaid left those shortages in place and poured a ton of tax dollars into the healthcare sector—significantly increasing demand. The result was an easily predictable explosion in the cost of healthcare.

    Fewer and fewer people could afford healthcare at these rising prices, meaning more people required government assistance, which meant more demand, causing prices to grow faster and faster.\

    Meanwhile, private health “insurance” providers were also benefiting from the mounting crisis. In a free market, insurance serves as a means to trade risk. Insurance works well for accidents and calamities that are hard to predict individually but relatively easy to predict in bulk, like car accidents, house fires, and unexpected family deaths.

    Health insurance providers were already being subsidized by all the taxes on competing means of payment, which allowed their plans to grow beyond the typical bounds of insurance and begin to cover easily-predictable occurrences like annual physicals. And, as the price of all of these services continued to shoot up, the costs of these routine procedures were becoming high enough to resemble the costs of emergencies—making consumers even more reliant on insurance.

    With progressives cheering on, the political class used government intervention to create a healthcare system that behaves as if its sole purpose is to move as much money as possible into the pockets of healthcare providers, drug companies, hospitals, health-related federal agencies, and insurance providers.

    But the party could not last forever. As the price of healthcare rose, the price of health insurance rose, too. Eventually, when insurance premiums grew too high, fewer employers or individual buyers were willing to buy insurance, and the flow of money into the healthcare system started to falter.

    The data suggests that that tipping point was reached in the early 2000s. For the first time since the cycle began back in the 1960s, the number of people with health insurance began to fall each year. Healthcare providers—who had seemingly assumed that the flow of money would never stop increasing—began to panic.

    Then came Barack Obama.

    Obama’s seminal legislative accomplishment—the Affordable Care Act, or Obamacare—can best be understood as a ploy by healthcare providers and the government to keep the party going.

    Obamacare required all fifty million uninsured Americans to obtain insurance, and it greatly expanded what these “insurance” companies covered. Demand for healthcare shot back up, and the vicious cycle started back up again—which is why the bill enjoyed so much support from big corporations all across the healthcare industry.

    Before it was passed, economists were practically screaming that the Affordable Care Act would make care less affordable by raising premiums and healthcare prices while making shortages worse. Progressives dismissed such concerns as Reagan-era “free market fundamentalist” propaganda. But that is exactly what happened.

    Now, the affordability crisis is worse than ever as prices reach historic levels. And, because Obamacare brought American healthcare much closer to a single-payer system, the demand for healthcare far exceeds the supply of healthcare—leading to deadly shortages.

    There are literally not enough resources or available medical professionals to treat everyone who can pay for care. Also, the tax code and warped “insurance” market protect these providers from competition—making it almost impossible for people to switch to a different provider after their claims are unfairly denied. If it were simply greed, denying customers who already paid would be a feature in all industries. But it’s not. It requires the kind of policy protections progressives helped implement.

    And on top of all that, despite paying all this money, Americans are quickly becoming one of the sickest populations on Earth.

    This is one of the most pressing problems facing the country. A problem that requires immediate, radical change to solve. But it also requires an accurate and precise diagnosis—something that, this week, progressives demonstrated they are incapable of making.

    The American progressive movement is responsible for providing the political class the intellectual cover they needed to break the healthcare market and transform the entire system into a means to transfer wealth to people like Brian Thompson. Now, they want to sit back, pretend like they’ve never gotten their way, that the government has never done anything with the healthcare market, and that these healthcare executives just popped up and started doing this all on their own—all so they can celebrate him being gunned down in the street. It’s disgusting.

    Brian Thompson acted exactly like every economically literate person over the last fifty years has said health insurance CEOs would act if progressives got their way. If we’re ever going to see the end of this century-long nightmare, we need to start listening to the people who have gotten it right, not those who pretend they are blameless as they fantasize online about others starting a violent revolution.

  12. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post


    vittorio

    @IterIntellectus
    i haven’t slept
    > be luigi nicholas mangione
    > born 1998, maryland
    > family is loaded—grandfather built golf resorts and luxury clubs
    > grows up in towson, goes to elite private school (gilman)
    > $40k/year tuition but worth every penny—valedictorian 2016
    > classmates describe him as “inventive, courageous, charming”
    > ivy league material, gets into upenn
    > studies computer science and math, minors in philosophy (red flag?)
    > co-founds a game dev club, works on ai competitions (halite iii)
    > perfect chad: handsome, athletic, ambitious
    > graduates in 2020 with a bs/ms combo—dream life unlocked
    > lands data engineer job at truecar, moves to san francisco
    > 2021: cracks start forming
    > gets into surfing accident while on vacation in hawaii
    > chronic low back pain (clbp) becomes his entire personality
    > can’t work out, can’t sit, can’t live like a normal chad anymore
    > goes through the healthcare system hellscape—insurance denies surgery
    > spends on specialists, treatments fail, pain keeps getting worse
    > resentment grows, starts ranting about “parasite healthcare execs”
    > gets weirdly into niche books:
    >> “crooked: outwitting the back pain industry”
    >> “back mechanic” by stuart mcgill
    >> ted kaczynski’s *industrial society and its future* (4 stars on goodreads)
    > posts online about banning porn (“toxic masculinity is under attack”)
    > follows erowid, explores psychedelics for “self-healing”
    > tweets get spicier, but no one pays much attention
    > 2022: goes on an ayahuasca retreat
    > desperate for relief, looking for answers beyond medicine
    > claims he “saw God” during the trip but also fought off shadowy entities
    >> describes these as “6D demons” trying to implant ideas into his mind
    >> later tweets cryptic things like:
    >>> “not all pain is physical”
    >>> “they feed on fear, but you can push them back if you see their shape”
    >>> “healthcare is only a part of the cage”
    > friends think he’s having a spiritual awakening, but vibe gets darker
    > deletes most of his old tweets, only posts sporadically after this
    > by 2023, he’s fully withdrawn, but *something about him seems different*
    >> doesn’t talk about the demons anymore, like the memory was scrubbed
    > 2023: leaves truecar, moves to hawaii permanently
    > broke, depressed, living off savings, spiraling quietly
    > becomes a ghost online—posts less, deletes a lot of old tweets
    > but what’s left feels curated, too on-brand (weird foreshadowing?)
    > december 4, 2024: unitedhealthcare ceo brian thompson assassinated
    > shot outside hilton midtown hotel in broad daylight
    > december 9: luigi arrested at mcdonald’s in altoona, pennsylvania
    > found with:
    >> 3d-printed ghost gun (zero serial numbers, spooky tech vibes)
    >> silencer
    >> fake ids (plural, why?)
    >> handwritten manifesto blaming healthcare execs for “killing americans”

    > here’s where it gets *weird*
    > the manifesto:
    >> calls ceos “parasites” and “powerful abusers”
    >> apologizes for “any trauma caused” but says “this had to happen”
    >> specifically names unitedhealthcare as the enemy of the people
    > but... it reads like something out of a hollywood movie:
    >> too polished, too coherent for a supposed back-pain-ridden maniac
    >> no spelling errors, perfect grammar, emotional yet calculated—sus
    > timeline doesn’t add up:
    >> luigi’s last known address was in hawaii. how does he suddenly turn up in nyc?
    >> uses a fake id to check into a hostel near the crime scene—how convenient
    >> goes *from hawaii to nyc to pennsylvania* in a matter of days
    >> gets caught at a mcdonald’s after a nationwide manhunt. really?
    > ghost gun raises red flags:
    >> why would a guy like luigi—ivy grad, tech-savvy, spotless record—print a gun?
    >> ghost guns are perfect deep state props: untraceable, terrifying, buzzword-worthy
    >> feels like a setup to push the “diy domestic terrorism” narrative
    > his social media suddenly blows up:
    >> goodreads reviews of ted kaczynski go viral after the arrest
    >> tweets about healthcare and porn resurface, painting him as a “radicalized genius”
    >> but the timing feels off—like it was *meant* to create this image
    > friends and family shocked:
    >> “he was a good kid,” “never showed signs of violence,” “always so bright”
    >> doesn’t fit the profile of a guy who’d snap and assassinate a ceo

    > it’s a psyop
    > luigi is the perfect recruit:
    >> ivy league pedigree = media catnip, relatable to both elites and normies
    >> chronic pain = universal sympathy, emotional hook for the masses
    >> anti-healthcare sentiment = taps into leftist rage against capitalism
    >> manosphere vibes = taints the right with “toxic masculinity” optics
    >> erowid + psychedelics = mkultra callback, easy to manipulate mindset
    > the 6D demon fight was part of the setup:
    >> ayahuasca trip wasn’t self-healing—it was an astral battleground
    >> cia or another deep-state group planted the entities to “break” his spiritual defenses
    >> they didn’t just want to brainwash him—they wanted to hollow him out completely
    >> the fight left cracks in his psyche, making him easier to manipulate afterward
    >> his cryptic tweets (“they feed on fear”) were cries for help before they fully got to him
    > by the time of the ceo murder, he’s fully under their control.
    >> either the demons broke him, or the deep state leveraged the battle to finalize his reprogramming
    > the actual hit? not luigi’s doing:
    >> cia or mossad carried out the assassination (silencer screams pro job)
    >> luigi’s memories implanted to make him the fall guy
    >> ghost gun planted as evidence to tie him to the crime

    > why this psyop now?
    > because right vs left was collapsing:
    >> trump united silicon valley libertarians, populists, unions, and vc bros
    >> woke politics were dying, and no one cared about identity battles anymore
    >> deep state needed a new cultural fracture to maintain control
    > solution: a class war
    >> kill a ceo, blame a relatable radical, watch the chaos unfold
    >> left: “luigi is a hero fighting corporate greed!”
    >> right: “he’s a manosphere nutjob demonizing capitalism!”
    >> the coalition fractures—rich vs poor takes center stage
    > deeper goal:
    >> scare silicon valley vc into compliance (don’t back anti-establishment movements)
    >> pit labor unions and working-class populists against tech elites
    >> distract from actual healthcare corruption with calls for more surveillance

    > but the cracks are obvious:
    >> manifesto reads like a marketing pitch for a class war—too perfect
    >> how does a supposed radical assassin *not* have an escape plan?
    >> ghost gun is too convenient—like it was meant to terrify normies
    >> social media timeline feels curated—where’s the raw, messy history?

    > the psyop isn’t just about luigi
    > it’s about sending a message:
    >> “we control the narrative, and we can turn anyone into a villain or a hero”
    >> “don’t question the system, or this could be you”

    > luigi didn’t kill brian thompson
    > the deep state did
    > 3/10 psyop—lazy execution, but it’s working
    > don’t fall for it, anon
    https://x.com/IterIntellectus/status...71620505907342
    I don't know if any of the above is true, but if his mental deterioration is true, it's pretty much a standard onset of schizophrenia. As usual, the drugs he had been prescribed or used to treat his mental condition will never be disclosed or discussed.

    If you want a "conspiracy", the most likely one involved here is the "pharma-media-government complex" covering up their role in pushing these drugs that have known side effects.

    Psyop? I highly doubt it.
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  13. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    ...
    Today, healthcare is one of the most heavily government-regulated industries in the economy—right up there with the finance and energy sectors. Government agencies are involved in all parts of the process, from the research and production of drugs, the training and licensing of medical professionals, and the building of hospitals to the availability of health insurance, the makeup of insurance plans, and the complicated payment processes.
    ...
    Ever wonder why there is no hospital close to you? You might be amazed to know that government bans the building of hospitals based upon population per existing hospital. In other words, if there is a hospital somewhere within a certain distance, new competition can not be created. Thus rural and suburban areas will suffer from lack of nearby hospitals due to less population density.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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  14. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    If you want a "conspiracy", the most likely one involved here is the "pharma-media-government complex" covering up their role in pushing these drugs that have known side effects.
    Those drugs do a lot of good for a lot of people. But, as you say, there are side-effects. Any time you hear a commercial saying that the drug may cause "suicidal ideation" or thoughts, that's an admission. Suicidal thoughts and homicidal thoughts are not so different. Just depends on the person's situation and their own lines of thinking.

    I imagine that if these companies could be held liable for the side-effects of their product, they'd have to do a lot more work before allowing doctors to prescribe them, and then follow-up work to ensure all precautions are being taken. But then that would cut into profitability. (It would also cut into the pool of available candidates when the intel agencies need a job done)
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

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  16. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Those drugs do a lot of good for a lot of people. But, as you say, there are side-effects. Any time you hear a commercial saying that the drug may cause "suicidal ideation" or thoughts, that's an admission. Suicidal thoughts and homicidal thoughts are not so different. Just depends on the person's situation and their own lines of thinking.

    I imagine that if these companies could be held liable for the side-effects of their product, they'd have to do a lot more work before allowing doctors to prescribe them, and then follow-up work to ensure all precautions are being taken. But then that would cut into profitability. (It would also cut into the pool of available candidates when the intel agencies need a job done)
    Exactly.

    And don't doubt for a second that the media blackout on discussing prescription drugs every time there is a murder or mass murder is intentional. They love to discuss the weapons used, and confused manifestos, but never the drugs that were prescribed as these people descended into mental illness.

    On side effects...

    "But, as you say, there are side-effects. Any time you hear a commercial saying that the drug may cause "suicidal ideation" or thoughts, that's an admission."

    On the positive side, SSRIs are not known to cause "a sometimes fatal infection of the perineum".
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    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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  17. #74
    Kid was valedictorian of HS. & went to U Pennsylvania

    United Healthcare absolutely ruthless & by the financial numbers intheir “care” or coverage & payout of people

  18. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Ever wonder why there is no hospital close to you? You might be amazed to know that government bans the building of hospitals based upon population per existing hospital. In other words, if there is a hospital somewhere within a certain distance, new competition can not be created. Thus rural and suburban areas will suffer from lack of nearby hospitals due to less population density.
    Yeah we should also never forget that 4 years ago we all learned that if there's ever a major pandemic where there's multiple times normal demand for hospital beds, irrespective whether there actually is a hospital to begin with, we need the state to temporarily suspend their limit on hospital beds before we can get adequate treatment.

    Pretty sure those regulations are still in place unaltered, despite everyone being able to see what the result was.
    WHAT THE F*** DID YOU THINK​ WAS GOING TO HAPPEN???

  19. #76
    watch who his replacement is
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  20. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by Invisible Man View Post
    Would you make the same defense of the role private companies play in the MIC?
    I think so, that's a more extreme example since there's not really a private market for military weapons.

  21. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    I think so, that's a more extreme example since there's not really a private market for military weapons.
    I see your point of view. And I agree that the best way to neuter the ability of private corporations to manipulate the government to do unethical things in their favor is by weakening the government to the point where it can't.

    But I don't think that lets them off the hook. If they lobby the government to use force to do for them what would be unethical for them to do on their own if they could, then it's still unethical.

    This is one of the big problems with democracy. It spreads around responsibility so diffusely that nobody ends up being accountable for anything.
    There is nothing to fear from globalism, free trade and a single worldwide currency, but a globalism where free trade is competitively subsidized by each nation, a continuous trade war is dictated by the WTO, and the single currency is pure fiat, fear is justified. That type of globalism is destined to collapse into economic despair, inflationism and protectionism and managed by resurgent militant nationalism.
    Ron Paul
    Congressional Record (March 13, 2001)

  22. #79
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Exactly.

    And don't doubt for a second that the media blackout on discussing prescription drugs every time there is a murder or mass murder is intentional. They love to discuss the weapons used, and confused manifestos, but never the drugs that were prescribed as these people descended into mental illness.
    ...
    For example:

    The Media Is Blaming Ghost Guns For United Healthcare CEO Shooting



    The media is in overdrive after reports that the shooter of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson allegedly used a so-called Ghost gun. But let’s cut through the noise: whether it’s a ghost gun, a store-bought Glock, or even an old revolver, the crime isn’t about the tool—it’s about the person pulling the trigger.
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    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
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  23. #80
    Quote Originally Posted by Invisible Man View Post
    I see your point of view. And I agree that the best way to neuter the ability of private corporations to manipulate the government to do unethical things in their favor is by weakening the government to the point where it can't.

    But I don't think that lets them off the hook. If they lobby the government to use force to do for them what would be unethical for them to do on their own if they could, then it's still unethical.

    This is one of the big problems with democracy. It spreads around responsibility so diffusely that nobody ends up being accountable for anything.
    What would be an example of something a private company does that should be punished by the government? Not including things that are already a violation of natural law like murder.



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  25. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    What would be an example of something a private company does that should be punished by the government? Not including things that are already a violation of natural law like murder.
    I can't think of anything that isn't a violation of natural law that should be punished.

    But as I see it, your words, "by the government," are superfluous. If something should be punished, then the government isn't specially tasked as the only entity that can legitimately dole out that punishment. The government can only justly punish anyone if that is delegated to it by private people who already have that right themselves.

    What I am concerned with here are violations of natural law that the government not only fails to punish, but actually performs itself. Those government agents who participate in these violations of natural law deserve to be punished, and along with them so do private citizens who engaged in various forms of legalized bribery to get the government to perform these violations of natural law on their behalf. Naturally, if any punishment is ever to be doled out for this kind of crime, it won't be the government who doles out the punishment, but someone else.
    There is nothing to fear from globalism, free trade and a single worldwide currency, but a globalism where free trade is competitively subsidized by each nation, a continuous trade war is dictated by the WTO, and the single currency is pure fiat, fear is justified. That type of globalism is destined to collapse into economic despair, inflationism and protectionism and managed by resurgent militant nationalism.
    Ron Paul
    Congressional Record (March 13, 2001)

  26. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Progressivism and the Murder of a Health Insurance CEO
    https://mises.org/mises-wire/progres...-insurance-ceo
    {Connor O'Keeffe | 10 December 2024}

    Last week, UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson was shot to death on a New York City sidewalk in what was clearly a thoroughly planned-out attack. Over the next few days, as authorities hunted for the killer, online progressives did not try hard to hide their delight that a millionaire health insurance executive like Thompson was killed.

    [...]
    Progressivism and the Murder of a Health Insurance CEO
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77kBOhjV3Y8
    {Mises Media | 11 December 2024}

    Progressives are openly cheering the murder of the CEO of UnitedHealthcare. However, it was progressive legislation that created this healthcare crisis in the first place.

    Read the article here: https://mises.org/mises-wire/progres...-insurance-ceo [see this post - OB]


  27. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by Invisible Man View Post
    Those government agents who participate in these violations of natural law deserve to be punished, and along with them so do private citizens who engaged in various forms of legalized bribery to get the government to perform these violations of natural law on their behalf.
    What would be an example of this?

  28. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Progressives are openly cheering the murder of the CEO of UnitedHealthcare. However, it was progressive legislation that created this healthcare crisis in the first place.
    Exactly. Health care is in the running for the most regulated industry. Banking might take first place with health care a close second.

    I remember reading an op-ed from some idiot that wanted socialized health care and at the end the writer wrote "We've tried free market health care and it didn't work".

    Harry Browne used to say "The government breaks your leg and then offers you a crutch and says "what would you do without us?""

  29. #85
    Here is my take on healthcare:
    A person goes to the doctor and doctor says, "you are borderline diabetic and obese. If you don't change your diet you will be a diabetic. Medication to treat diabetes costs around $3,000 per month and your insurance will not cover it because they will consider this a preventable disease by simply changing your diet. Same goes for your high blood pressure and high cholesterol."

  30. #86
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    That's good to know, I'll remember that.

    Sen. Elizabeth Warren on MSNBC 10 Dec 2024:

    Host Joy Reid said, [relevant exchange begins around 36:20] “So, we’ve been talking a lot about this Luigi Mangione, the case about the UnitedHealthcare CEO. People are very angry at UnitedHealthcare, I think, for a good reason, denying care, and the whole system. And we were just talking in the previous block, killing a CEO is not the way you change. You have to regulate them, right? And so, we’ve got attempts to try to rein in some of these big businesses. The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, which was your creation, the Trump administration wants to get rid of it. That is like protecting people from, like, credit card fraud. What happens if that goes away?”

    Warren agreed that regulating, not killing CEOs is how you change things and answered, “So, look, terrible for individuals, but stop and think, overall, about the social contract. Part of the deal in how we’ve kept this democracy, this economy, this country on a fairly steady path for more than 200 years has been that those at the top pay a little more in taxes, are a little less rich than they otherwise might be, and everybody else at least gets a chance. And what happens, when you turn this into the billionaires run it all, is they get the opportunity to squeeze every last penny. And look, we’ll say it over and over, violence is never the answer, this guy gets a trial, who’s allegedly killed the CEO of UnitedHealth[care].

    But you can only push people so far, and then, they start to take matters into their own hands.”
    https://x.com/AntiFeder1776/status/1866987020737974393

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  31. #87
    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    What would be an example of this?
    Donating money to campaigns of politicians in exchange for passing laws to spend stolen money on their products.
    There is nothing to fear from globalism, free trade and a single worldwide currency, but a globalism where free trade is competitively subsidized by each nation, a continuous trade war is dictated by the WTO, and the single currency is pure fiat, fear is justified. That type of globalism is destined to collapse into economic despair, inflationism and protectionism and managed by resurgent militant nationalism.
    Ron Paul
    Congressional Record (March 13, 2001)

  32. #88
    Wow I guess everyone loves big pharma now.


    That didn't take much.
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  34. #89
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Wow I guess everyone loves big pharma now.


    That didn't take much.
    So you equate being against murder to "loving big pharma"?? What is wrong with you?!
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  35. #90
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    So you equate being against murder to "loving big pharma"?? What is wrong with you?!
    Agreed, out of character too.
    "I am a bird"

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