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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    PS, @CaptUSA , "weaponization" of Matt Gaetz. I'm glad his sorry @ass is out of there:
    If you haven't already, you should read A Conflict of Visions, by Thomas Sowell. It's a small side-step from this thread, but I think it explains your thinking. Those with a constrained vision see the world as it is and seek the best trade-offs. Those with the unconstrained vision see the world as they would like it to be and get upset when confronted with history or facts. They want to be 'unburdened by what has been'. Those with the unconstrained vision are likely to view those with the constrained vision as uncaring or evil. Those with the constrained vision area likely to view those with the unconstrained vision as being detached from reality. Generally, those with the unconstrained vision lean left, but that's not a steadfast rule - you just need to imagine your perfect world and judge every event compared against that. Those with the constrained vision understand that we have always lived in an imperfect world and will continue to do so forever. Both visions have their uses, but from my experience and observation, if you apply the unconstrained vision to the practical world, you become unhappy, pessimistic, and unpleasant to be around. Conversely, if you apply the constrained vision to your long-range plans and desires, you become stagnant and can lose the impulse to achieve greater things. The wise man knows when to apply which vision.

    As far as trade-offs go in the practical reality in which we live, Gaetz is pretty damned good. What's more, the entrenched interests in government know he's a problem which is why they try to destroy him.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    I don't do On the Records for Democrats, because outside of Civil Liberties, there's nothing that I want to hold them accountable for. But if that's your bar in choosing "republicans", may God help you.


    Sure, let's praise him on the bones here and there in exchange for: Federalized Police-State, Warrantless Surveillance, Indefinite Detention Without A Trial, ASEAN Relations, NATO, ObamaCare Replacement [not repeal] and U.N. Agenda 2030 Agendas. That sounds like an equitable trade and something that you and some others would personally welcome. I don't.


    Don't even "shift the blame" and give me that crap about "immigrants" destroying our country - not when you and other 'Merikans support and are accepting of pathetic policies like that.
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Gaetz is pretty damned good.

    What's more, the entrenched interests in government know he's a problem which is why they try to destroy him.
    Another LITMUS TEST by TPTB, to see how much 'Merikan's will actually defend him? So when they run another disposable sacrificial goon, they'll get buy-in?
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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    If you haven't already, you should read A Conflict of Visions, by Thomas Sowell. It's a small side-step from this thread, but I think it explains your thinking. Those with a constrained vision see the world as it is and seek the best trade-offs. Those with the unconstrained vision see the world as they would like it to be and get upset when confronted with history or facts. They want to be 'unburdened by what has been'. Those with the unconstrained vision are likely to view those with the constrained vision as uncaring or evil. Those with the constrained vision area likely to view those with the unconstrained vision as being detached from reality. Generally, those with the unconstrained vision lean left, but that's not a steadfast rule - you just need to imagine your perfect world and judge every event compared against that. Those with the constrained vision understand that we have always lived in an imperfect world and will continue to do so forever. Both visions have their uses, but from my experience and observation, if you apply the unconstrained vision to the practical world, you become unhappy, pessimistic, and unpleasant to be around. Conversely, if you apply the constrained vision to your long-range plans and desires, you become stagnant and can lose the impulse to achieve greater things. The wise man knows when to apply which vision.

    As far as trade-offs go in the practical reality in which we live, Gaetz is pretty damned good. What's more, the entrenched interests in government know he's a problem which is why they try to destroy him.
    Bingo. If you bust up into the room with the schtick that you're always right, everyone else is wrong, and start brow-beating everyone else in the room, very, very few people are going to tune in.

    I get being principled. I get it. Don't lose sight of your goals. Maybe work with the people you agree with 85% of the time, while making those cases for why you'd like to see the remaining 15% improved. But being principled and arrogant does no one any good.
    Last edited by nobody's_hero; 11-27-2024 at 12:08 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is getting silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It started silly.
    T.S. Eliot's The Hollow Men

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philhelm
    I part ways with "libertarianism" when it transitions from ideology grounded in logic into self-defeating autism for the sake of ideological purity.

  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    Bingo. If you bust up into the room with the schtick that you're always right, everyone else is wrong, and start brow-beating everyone else in the room, very, very few people are going to tune in.

    I get being principled. I get it. Don't lose sight of your goals. Maybe work with the people you agree with 85% of the time, while making those cases for why you'd like to see the remaining 15% improved. But being principled and arrogant does no one any good.

    Once somebody votes on your behalf to give up your sovereignty [ASEAN], WEF and U.N. Agendas, and votes for Warrantless Surveillance, and Indefinite Detention without a Trial, ALL bets are OFF and there is nothing that I want to "work with him" on.

    Be glad that there are some of us "arrogant" @ssholes who are willing to defend your Rights even if you don't care about them.
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  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Once somebody votes on your behalf to give up your sovereignty [ASEAN], WEF and U.N. Agendas, and votes for Warrantless Surveillance, and Indefinite Detention without a Trial, ALL bets are OFF and there is nothing that I want to "work with him" on.

    Be glad that there are some of us "arrogant" @ssholes who are willing to defend your Rights even if you don't care about them.
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Those with the unconstrained vision are likely to view those with the constrained vision as uncaring or evil.
    Case in point.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Once somebody votes on your behalf to give up your sovereignty [ASEAN], WEF and U.N. Agendas, and votes for Warrantless Surveillance, and Indefinite Detention without a Trial, ALL bets are OFF and there is nothing that I want to "work with him" on.

    Be glad that there are some of us "arrogant" @ssholes who are willing to defend your Rights even if you don't care about them.
    It's really all or nothing with you, isn't it?

    Do you drive? I don't know how you change lanes without careening off the road.
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is getting silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It started silly.
    T.S. Eliot's The Hollow Men

    We Are Running Out of Time - Mini Me

    Quote Originally Posted by Philhelm
    I part ways with "libertarianism" when it transitions from ideology grounded in logic into self-defeating autism for the sake of ideological purity.

  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Case in point.
    Look, you are never in a million years going to change my mind on being principled and standing for what is right. Rather than to try to Pied-Piper me into your leftist realm, why don't you try posting and writing things pertaining to Records and money, so that just for a change, we can Hold-Them-Accountable?

    Seriously, dude, we have tried it you way for more than 250 years. At what point does Einstein's quote begin to trickle into your mind just a little?

    Give me a break already. And if you don't like what I post, just skip over the thing and move on to something that makes you feel warm, fuzzy and gooey inside. Fair?


    Same goes for you too, @nobody's_hero [perfect screen name for you, btw].
    Last edited by PAF; 11-27-2024 at 12:39 PM.
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  10. #38
    Here's some good votes that you just lost:

    H.R. 497 01/31/2023 Good: Yes Yes
    Forced Vaccinations
    An executive branch agency, such as HHS, has no lawmaking power according to Article I, Section 1 of the Constitution, and therefore cannot impose vaccine mandates via executive decree. Even with an act of Congress, Covid-19 vaccine mandates would still be unconstitutional due to the lack of constitutional authority for Congress to pass a law mandating what you must put into your body.

    H. Con. Res. 21 03/08/2023 Good: Yes Yes
    U.S. Military in Syria
    The military intervention in Syria was initiated by the president without congressional approval, despite the fact that the power to declare war belongs to Congress.

    H.R. 2670 07/13/2023 Good: Yes Yes
    Ukraine
    Using American taxpayer dollars to provide financial and military support to Ukraine is unconstitutional. Providing foreign aid, including the more than $113 billion in funding for Ukraine, is not one of the enumerated powers delegated to Congress under Article I, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution. Moreover, the United States should pursue a sound, traditional foreign policy of noninterventionism, based on U.S. national interests and the intent of the Founding Fathers.

    H.R. 5 03/24/2023 Good: Yes Yes
    Terminating Department of Education
    Education is not the role of government, let alone among the limited and specified powers enumerated for Congress in Article 1, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution. A child’s education is the responsibility of, as well as a fundamental right of choice retained by, his or her parents. Forcing American citizens to furnish taxpayer money for a compulsory, failing, and government-run K-12 school system violates their individual liberties.

    H.R. 4820 11/07/2023 Good: Yes Yes
    Defunding “Kill-switch” Mandate
    This federal “kill-switch” mandate to forcibly “monitor the performance” of every driver and automatically “prevent or limit motor vehicle operation” is a violation of the fundamental right of the American people to travel freely, with a reasonable expectation of privacy. The Fourth and Fifth Amendments to the U.S. Constitution not only protect against “unreasonable searches and seizures” of persons and their possessions, but also provide that no person shall be deprived of “liberty, or property, without due process of law.”

    H.R. 4664 11/08/2023 Good: Yes Yes
    IRS Firearms and Ammunition
    The federal government is not constitutionally authorized to engage in domestic law enforcement, as the 10th Amendment clarifies. IRS agents should not be armed with guns, ammunition, or military-style equipment. Rather, the IRS ought to be defunded and abolished. The American people must demand that Congress end the weaponization of the federal bureaucracy, reject all efforts to create a nationalized police force, and work to repeal the 16th Amendment

    H.R. 7888 04/12/2024 Good: No No
    FISA Reauthorization
    FISA has been used to spy on U.S. citizens without a warrant in violation of the Fourth Amendment. While the bill includes provisions to ostensibly protect the privacy of U.S. citizens, those provisions fail to uphold Americans’ Fourth Amendment-protected rights.

    H.R. 5894 11/14/2023 Good: Yes Yes
    Defunding OSHA
    Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution does not authorize Congress to establish a federal regulatory agency, such as OSHA, to inspect workplace conditions. Nor does the Constitution empower the federal government to require Americans to take vaccines, especially experimental mRNA injections, as a condition of their employment, as OSHA tried to do.


    I guess YoU DoN'T CaRE aBouT yoUR RiGhTS
    Last edited by nobody's_hero; 11-27-2024 at 12:49 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is getting silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It started silly.
    T.S. Eliot's The Hollow Men

    We Are Running Out of Time - Mini Me

    Quote Originally Posted by Philhelm
    I part ways with "libertarianism" when it transitions from ideology grounded in logic into self-defeating autism for the sake of ideological purity.

  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Look, you are never in a million years going to change my on being principled and standing for what is right. Rather than to try to Pied-Piper me into your leftist realm... blah, blah blah
    No one is trying to change your principles. It's a matter of making you aware of the vision you hold and getting you to understand that it's one that most of us do not share. The unconstrained vision is the one held by leftists, only their utopia is different than yours. But your comments and actions mimic them since you share the lens in which they view the world.


    We all care - otherwise we wouldn't be here. For some reason, you think it's beneficial to call me leftist, which to me is insane. Again, it's the constrained vision thinking the unconstrained vision is detached from reality. I'm an individualist, first and foremost. When it comes to most policy, I lean right.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

  12. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    Here's some good votes that you just lost:

    H.R. 497 01/31/2023 Good: Yes Yes
    Forced Vaccinations
    An executive branch agency, such as HHS, has no lawmaking power according to Article I, Section 1 of the Constitution, and therefore cannot impose vaccine mandates via executive decree. Even with an act of Congress, Covid-19 vaccine mandates would still be unconstitutional due to the lack of constitutional authority for Congress to pass a law mandating what you must put into your body.

    H. Con. Res. 21 03/08/2023 Good: Yes Yes
    U.S. Military in Syria
    The military intervention in Syria was initiated by the president without congressional approval, despite the fact that the power to declare war belongs to Congress.

    H.R. 2670 07/13/2023 Good: Yes Yes
    Ukraine
    Using American taxpayer dollars to provide financial and military support to Ukraine is unconstitutional. Providing foreign aid, including the more than $113 billion in funding for Ukraine, is not one of the enumerated powers delegated to Congress under Article I, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution. Moreover, the United States should pursue a sound, traditional foreign policy of noninterventionism, based on U.S. national interests and the intent of the Founding Fathers.

    H.R. 5 03/24/2023 Good: Yes Yes
    Terminating Department of Education
    Education is not the role of government, let alone among the limited and specified powers enumerated for Congress in Article 1, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution. A child’s education is the responsibility of, as well as a fundamental right of choice retained by, his or her parents. Forcing American citizens to furnish taxpayer money for a compulsory, failing, and government-run K-12 school system violates their individual liberties.

    H.R. 4820 11/07/2023 Good: Yes Yes
    Defunding “Kill-switch” Mandate
    This federal “kill-switch” mandate to forcibly “monitor the performance” of every driver and automatically “prevent or limit motor vehicle operation” is a violation of the fundamental right of the American people to travel freely, with a reasonable expectation of privacy. The Fourth and Fifth Amendments to the U.S. Constitution not only protect against “unreasonable searches and seizures” of persons and their possessions, but also provide that no person shall be deprived of “liberty, or property, without due process of law.”

    H.R. 4664 11/08/2023 Good: Yes Yes
    IRS Firearms and Ammunition
    The federal government is not constitutionally authorized to engage in domestic law enforcement, as the 10th Amendment clarifies. IRS agents should not be armed with guns, ammunition, or military-style equipment. Rather, the IRS ought to be defunded and abolished. The American people must demand that Congress end the weaponization of the federal bureaucracy, reject all efforts to create a nationalized police force, and work to repeal the 16th Amendment

    H.R. 7888 04/12/2024 Good: No No
    FISA Reauthorization
    FISA has been used to spy on U.S. citizens without a warrant in violation of the Fourth Amendment. While the bill includes provisions to ostensibly protect the privacy of U.S. citizens, those provisions fail to uphold Americans’ Fourth Amendment-protected rights.

    H.R. 5894 11/14/2023 Good: Yes Yes
    Defunding OSHA
    Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution does not authorize Congress to establish a federal regulatory agency, such as OSHA, to inspect workplace conditions. Nor does the Constitution empower the federal government to require Americans to take vaccines, especially experimental mRNA injections, as a condition of their employment, as OSHA tried to do.

    This NEGATES it all. I don't do TRADES on my Liberty, even if you do:




    Matt Gaetz On The Record

    FloridaDistrict 1st
    Republican


    Matt Gaetz voted YES on S. 546 Federal Police Grants - Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution does not authorize Congress to support local law-enforcement agencies. Federal funding of local police departments and county sheriffs comes with strings attached, usually in the form of oversight, regulations, and other homogenized standards — none of which are constitutional.

    Matt Gaetz voted YES on H.R. 4824 Carbon Sequestration - The federal government has no authority under Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution to engage in energy or environmental policy. Furthermore, carbon sequestration is closely connected to the UN 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development, which is antithetical to the Constitution and U.S. sovereignty.

    Matt Gaetz voted YES on H.R. 406 ASEAN Relations - ASEAN is a political and economic union, as opposed to an individual sovereign nation. Providing a permanent ASEAN mission in the United States with the same privileges and immunities as embassies further accelerates globalist designs of collectivizing nations into regional unions rather than dealing with them as individual sovereign states. Furthermore, two of the 10 member-states that comprise ASEAN officially have Marxist-Leninist governments: the Socialist Republic of Vietnam and the Lao People’s Democratic Republic. This resolution expands U.S. relations with the communist regimes that oppress those two nations and that heavily influence the policies of the ASEAN union.

    Matt Gaetz voted YES on Juneteenth Federal Holiday - The United States already observes 10 other federal holidays. Furthermore, seeing as slavery ended on December 6, not June 19, the inclusion of the words “National Independence Day” to Juneteenth creates the appearance of supplanting July 4 as America’s Independence Day. This perpetuates a false and dangerous notion that the United States has different days of independence depending on one’s race or ancestry, and is consistent with the communist tactic of “dividing the people” along racial lines.

    Matt Gaetz voted YES on H.R. 133 Appropriations/Coronavirus (Part 1) - We oppose. Congress is failing to address its profligate spending that yielded an annual federal deficit of $3.1 trillion in fiscal 2020. Moreover, Congress is minimizing its accountability to voters by combining all “discretionary” federal spending and coronavirus aid into one gigantic bill and only holding two votes on that bill in the House.

    Matt Gaetz voted YES on H.R. 266 Coronavirus - We oppose. Nowhere in the Constitution is the federal government authorized to disburse loans to small businesses or cover the salaries of laid-off employees. It is not the responsibility of the federal government to bail out businesses or the unemployed.

    Matt Gaetz voted YES on H.R. 5430 USMCA - We oppose. Congress is not authorized by the Constitution to surrender our national sovereignty to any transnational regional government, including the nascent North American Union.

    Matt Gaetz voted NO on H R 2500 On Agreeing to the Amendment 33 to H R 2500 - We support Representative Amash’s amendment. Indefinite detention without trial is a serious violation of the right to habeas corpus, the issuance of a warrant based on probable cause (Fourth Amendment), and the right to a “speedy and public” trial (Sixth Amendment).

    Matt Gaetz voted YES on H R 2157 Disaster Supplemental Appropriations - We oppose. The federal government has no constitutional authority to rebuild areas stricken by natural disasters. Such activity should be undertaken by private companies and charities first, and, as a last resort, handled by local or state governments. Disasters would arguably be handled more effectively this way compared to the feds.

    Matt Gaetz voted YES on S 47 Public Lands - We oppose. The Constitution does not authorize Congress to purchase private property except “all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings.”

    Matt Gaetz voted YES on H.J.R. 31 - We oppose. Most of the bill’s spending programs are unconstitutional and unacceptably expand our debt and deficit.

    Matt Gaetz voted YES on H.R. 6157 Appropriations for Defense, Labor-HHS-Education, and Continuing Appropriations - We Oppose. Social welfare spending falls outside the enumerated powers of the federal government, and lumping multiple appropriations bills into one mega bill reduces lawmakers’ accountability to their constituents. Moreover, even though defense spending is constitutional, the “defense” budget is bloated with funding for overseas military operations that have not contributed to the defense of our own country.

    Matt Gaetz voted YES on H.R. 302 FAA Reauthorization and Supplemental Disaster Appropriations - We Oppose. The bill is comprised of unconstitutional federal overreach in both aviation and disaster relief. One example is the TSA, which is known for groping and violating air travelers in the name of providing security. Instead of relying on an inefficient federal bureaucracy, security should be provided by the airlines, which have a vested interest in keeping their customers safe. Another area the feds should stay out of is the regulation of private-sector drones, which instead should be managed by local ordinances or (at most) state laws. And the market, not the feds, should determine such issues as the dimensions of seats on passenger airliners. Regarding disaster relief, this should be handled by private charitable efforts, not the federal government.

    Matt Gaetz voted YES on S. 1182 Flood Insurance - We Oppose. The Constitution does not give the federal government authority to get into the insurance business. Having the federal government as an insurer essentially subsidizes risky behavior, such as building in flood-, fire-, and earthquake-prone areas, and forces the taxpayer to pick up the tab. Insurance policies for natural disasters should be offered by private insurers, with the market setting the rates for such coverage.

    Matt Gaetz voted YES on H.R. 4909 School Violence - We Oppose. School safety is not a proper function of the federal government. School safety should be addressed at the local level. The nationalizing of local police and school security, as well as any other gun-control measures contained in the bill, are all strictly unconstitutional.

    The STOP School Violence Act of 2018 (H.R. 4909) would authorize $75 million a year through fiscal year 2028 for the Justice Department’s Secure Our Schools grant program. SOS is a grant program of the Justice Department’s Office of Community Oriented Policing Services, which has been instrumental in laying the foundations for nationalizing local police by providing federal “assistance” in the form of funds, equipment, training, and development of guidelines to local law-enforcement agencies.

    In a podcast interview with Conservative Review, Representative Thomas Massie (RKy.) said the “STOP School Violence Act was bad enough for nationalizing defense of our schools,” but he further revealed, “There is money in that bill that is going to go to gun control groups. It literally says in there you can give it to the 501-C3s, and then it also says in there it can’t go to train anybody on gun safety. It’s got to go for all the liberal sort of agendas.”

    Matt Gaetz voted YES on S.139 Warrantless Surveillance - We Oppose. FISA, while supposedly put in place to gather intelligence on foreign targets, has been used to spy on U.S. citizens. The bill does provide provisions to, ostensibly, protect the privacy of U.S. citizens, but given the track record of intelligence agencies, it is unlikely that they would actually follow these rules. The FISA Court gives a green light to just about any surveillance request that comes its way, and FISA-approved NSA warrantless surveillance of American citizens has become common knowledge

    Matt Gaetz voted YES on H.R. 3180 Intelligence Authorization - We Oppose. The very idea of Congress authorizing classified amounts of spending is unconstitutional, as well as frightening. Furthermore, some of the agencies that this “classified” spending is funding are themselves engaged in unconstitutional activities, such as spying on and gathering data from U.S. citizens without a warrant. While assessing (dubious) Russian influence in U.S. politics is an acceptable use of federal funds, much of this bill’s spending is unconstitutional and should be rejected.

    Matt Gaetz voted YES on H.Res.397 NATO - We Oppose. The United States should stay clear of entangling alliances such as NATO, which undermine the provision in the U.S. Constitution that assigns to Congress the power to declare war.

    Matt Gaetz voted YES on H.R. 1616 National Computer Forensics Institute Authorization - We Oppose. Providing federal equipment and training to state and local law-enforcement officers not only is unconstitutional, but also further federalizes the police system.

    Matt Gaetz voted YES on H.R. 1628 ObamaCare Replacement - We Oppose. We have assigned pluses to the nays because ObamaCare should be repealed, not replaced with a Republican variant of unconstitutional government healthcare that more liberty-minded lawmakers have referred to as "ObamaCare Lite" and "ObamaCare 2.0."


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    Last edited by nobody's_hero; 11-27-2024 at 12:49 PM. Reason: botched quoted myself
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is getting silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It started silly.
    T.S. Eliot's The Hollow Men

    We Are Running Out of Time - Mini Me

    Quote Originally Posted by Philhelm
    I part ways with "libertarianism" when it transitions from ideology grounded in logic into self-defeating autism for the sake of ideological purity.

  15. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Once somebody votes on your behalf to give up your sovereignty [ASEAN], WEF and U.N. Agendas, and votes for Warrantless Surveillance, and Indefinite Detention without a Trial, ALL bets are OFF and there is nothing that I want to "work with him" on.

    Be glad that there are some of us "arrogant" @ssholes who are willing to defend your Rights even if you don't care about them.
    That's pretty arrogant to presume that you're defending anything by pouting on the internet. (Not throwing stones, I mean, I'm here too.)
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is getting silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It started silly.
    T.S. Eliot's The Hollow Men

    We Are Running Out of Time - Mini Me

    Quote Originally Posted by Philhelm
    I part ways with "libertarianism" when it transitions from ideology grounded in logic into self-defeating autism for the sake of ideological purity.

  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Seriously, dude, we have tried it you way for more than 250 years. At what point does Einstein's quote begin to trickle into your mind just a little?
    Whining about purity has never been a solution to anything.
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
    - Kim Kardashian

    Donald Trump / Crenshaw 2024!!!!

    My pronouns are he/him/his

  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    No one is trying to change your principles. It's a matter of making you aware of the vision you hold and getting you to understand that it's one that most of us do not share. The unconstrained vision is the one held by leftists, only their utopia is different than yours. But your comments and actions mimic them since you share the lens in which they view the world.


    We all care - otherwise we wouldn't be here. For some reason, you think it's beneficial to call me leftist, which to me is insane. Again, it's the constrained vision thinking the unconstrained vision is detached from reality. I'm an individualist, first and foremost. When it comes to most policy, I lean right.
    We all want that unconstrained vision but none of us are willing to pay the sacrifice to make it happen.

    Until then, the constrained vision is all that we have to work with.
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
    - Kim Kardashian

    Donald Trump / Crenshaw 2024!!!!

    My pronouns are he/him/his

  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    Whining about purity has never been a solution to anything.
    ^^ This message paid for and approved by Klaus Schwab, WEF and the United Nations ^^

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  19. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    ^^ This message paid for and approved by Klaus Schwab, WEF and the United Nations ^^

    I wish
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
    - Kim Kardashian

    Donald Trump / Crenshaw 2024!!!!

    My pronouns are he/him/his

  20. #47
    PAF is here to obstruct.
    His pretended unconstrained vision is a great excuse to make sure no progress is made because nothing is ever his supposed "perfect" utopian pipe dream.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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