Rand opposes using military for deportations

[Matt Collins]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdOMy-xJIWs

[Okie RP fan]

What are the alternatives? Genuinely asking.

Half of the cities and states won't comply with Trump. Can we entrust municipalities to enforce this? How does the Trump admin go about deporting millions of illegals otherwise?

Will they take the long form approach that Ron championed of getting rid of the various benefits like marriage, birth, etc.?

[PAF]

Rand is correct.

Related:

Manufacturing Bipartisan Consent For Biometric Surveillance


It may seem difficult to connect the dots, but this is directly related and why the border "crisis" is manufactured:

Palestine: “Peace to Prosperity” Through Technocracy

[Matt Collins]

What are the alternatives? Genuinely asking.

Half of the cities and states won't comply with Trump. Can we entrust municipalities to enforce this? How does the Trump admin go about deporting millions of illegals otherwise?

Unfortunately the toothpaste is out of the tube and it's impossible to enforce without turning the US into a police state. The time and place to enforce this was at the border. I mean yeah if someone gets arrested and they are in the country illegally send them back. But you can't do a witch hunt or some sort of mass dragnet.

[PAF]

Unfortunately the toothpaste is out of the tube and it's impossible to enforce without turning the US into a police state. The time and place to enforce this was at the border. I mean yeah if someone gets arrested and they are in the country illegally send them back. But you can't do a witch hunt or some sort of mass dragnet.

Eliminate [not "efficiently" reorganize to the Gov/Bankers/Technocrats advantage] DHS and other Agencies, Stop the Money Flow. If those 2 things were done, things would work themselves out.

For others reading this, there is no need for hatred or consider immigrants "enemies", they are seeking a better life like many of us and our ancestors.

The two-party-duopoly Police-State is NOT necessary or wanted, all of this nonsense was manufactured on purpose.

[TheTexan]

For others reading this, there is no need for hatred or consider immigrants "enemies", they are seeking a better life like many of us and our ancestors.

That better life they seek comes at the expense of our own.

They destroy our culture. They ignore our laws. They eradicate trust in our neighbors, our communities.

Any "benefit" they allegedly provide, is not worth it.

Send them back. Let them pursue a better life somewhere else. It's not our responsibility to take them in.

[TheTexan]

Unfortunately the toothpaste is out of the tube and it's impossible to enforce without turning the US into a police state. The time and place to enforce this was at the border. I mean yeah if someone gets arrested and they are in the country illegally send them back. But you can't do a witch hunt or some sort of mass dragnet.

Police state cat is already out of the bag too so I say go for it lol

[PAF]

That better life they seek comes at the expense of our own.

They destroy our culture. They ignore our laws. They eradicate trust in our neighbors, our communities.

Any "benefit" they allegedly provide, is not worth it.

Send them back. Let them pursue a better life somewhere else. It's not our responsibility to take them in.

Seems there are more Red-Blooded 'Mericans with MAGA and War hats and ladies with dyed-red hair who have cause me more grief than any immigrant. How about sending them somewhere and you [and @Swordsmyth] can go with them. They don't hate us for our freedoms - you guys do. And so do the politicians that you elect into office.

[Matt Collins]

That better life they seek comes at the expense of our own.

Uh no, not necessarily. Economics are not zero sum.

But yes they should come in legally.

[Matt Collins]

Police state cat is already out of the bag too so I say go for it lol

Sounds like you belong over on HitlerForums instead of here

[PAF]

Sounds like you belong over on HitlerForums instead of here

LOL Now that's an exactly LOL + REP

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

Pretty simple Cut off all financial aid to people that are not US citizens. Zero money from federal government. That means States that Harbor illegals. No need for the military. Could even pay them money call it an incentive to leave. So no money while here but take this home with you. Good bye and don't come back.

[TheTexan]

Sounds like you belong over on HitlerForums instead of here

I would, if Hitler were actually running

[TheTexan]

Uh no, not necessarily. Economics are not zero sum.

Who said anything about economics??? I didn't mention economics at all in my post.

They are destroying our culture, and yes, necessarily.

[PAF]

I would, if Hitler were actually running

So, you are part of the Thiel/Musk/QAnon Network? You know, the Lefty Technocrat Billionaires who aim to take over and distort everything libertarian and true Free Markets in order to globally monopolize the world?

You WEF/U.N. Globalist, you.

[TheTexan]

So, you are part of the Thiel/Musk/QAnon Network? You know, the Lefty Technocrat Billionaires who aim to take over and distort everything libertarian and true Free Markets in order to globally monopolize the world?

What reason do you have to say that Musk a globalist?

You WEF/U.N. Globalist, you.

I don't think you even know what globalism even is, so you can't offend me by using that word

[PAF]

What reason do you have to say that Musk a globalist?

I don't think you even know what globalism even is, so you can't offend me by using that word

I have only posted it like a million times but it seems you haven't [don't care] to listen to it. It's all right here:

Selection 2024 with James Corbett and Whitney Webb

Discussion about the election, Donald Trump, Elon Musk, Tucker Carlson, Peter Thiel, Javier Milei, WEF, U.N., Technocratic Society and Global/Regional Governance, sucking in libertarians, and more.

Of course, you can simply gloss over it since your Bankers/LeftyTechnocrats/Israel have already "won" the election.

[TheTexan]

I have only posted it like a million times but it seems you haven't [don't care] to listen to it. It's all right here:

Selection 2024 with James Corbett and Whitney Webb

Discussion about the election, Donald Trump, Elon Musk, Tucker Carlson, Peter Thiel, Javier Milei, WEF, U.N., Technocratic Society and Global/Regional Governance, sucking in libertarians, and more.

Of course, you can simply gloss over it since your Bankers/LeftyTechnocrats/Israel have already "won" the election.

This is the first time I've seen that posted, though it's certainly possible that I glossed over it. Either way, I'm not gonna watch a 1 hour 20 minute podcast.

If you have an actual reason to think Elon is a globalist, you can simply just tell me, using a sentence or two. Or not, either way is fine.

[PAF]

This is the first time I've seen that posted, though it's certainly possible that I glossed over it. Either way, I'm not gonna watch a 1 hour 20 minute podcast.

If you have an actual reason to think Elon is a globalist, you can simply just tell me, using a sentence or two. Or not, either way is fine.

The rest of 'Merica doesn't care either, which is why we are in this boat. I provided the link to the people who did the actual heavy grunt work. It is up to people to either sit back and watch it, or keep their heads buried deep in the sand. That choice, of course, is yours ;-)

[TheTexan]

The rest of 'Merica doesn't care either, which is why we are in this boat. I provided the link to the people who did the actual heavy grunt work. It is up to people to either sit back and watch it, or keep their heads buried deep in the sand. That choice, of course, is yours ;-)

I'm gonna go with "head in sand". If you can't distill the point you're trying to make into a few sentences at least as a brief summary, then your point probably isn't worth making.

For the record, this isn't meant as an offense as your podcast specifically. I respect my time too much to watch podcasts in general. I didn't even watch very much of the Joe Rogan and Elon podcast.

If you don't respect my time enough to make your point in words, then I don't have enough respect for your argument to give it any credence. Is what it is.

[Brian4Liberty]

Tom Homan addressed the "use of military" for deportations the other day. He said they would only be used for transport. It will be regular ICE and Border Patrol doing all of the rest of the work.

[PAF]

I'm gonna go with "head in sand". If you can't distill the point you're trying to make into a few sentences at least as a brief summary, then your point probably isn't worth making.

For the record, this isn't meant as an offense as your podcast specifically. I respect my time too much to watch podcasts in general. I didn't even watch very much of the Joe Rogan and Elon podcast.

If you don't respect my time enough to make your point in words, then I don't have enough respect for your argument to give it any credence. Is what it is.

Matt and I have been accused of "spamming", so to speak LOL. I have enough threads which reference the video, as well as some of my thoughts, which should get to the point. Since I don't want to "spam" anymore, perhaps you will come across them and then come to your own conclusion(s).

To note: I listen to a lot of stuff, but don't like spending valuable time listening to rhetoric. More than typically, if I see or hear something that is highly relevant and packed with meaningful information I will post it multiple times, and you can rest assured that you will get something out of it too ;-)

[jmdrake]

What are the alternatives? Genuinely asking.

Half of the cities and states won't comply with Trump. Can we entrust municipalities to enforce this? How does the Trump admin go about deporting millions of illegals otherwise?

Will they take the long form approach that Ron championed of getting rid of the various benefits like marriage, birth, etc.?

What are the other options?

1) Realize the sky isn't falling.

2) Reinstitute the "remain in Mexico" policy.

3) Make peace with Venezuela and get that country to cooperate with vetting their own citizens and let us know which ones are criminals.

4) Treat the Ukranians like we treat everyone else.

5) Have ICE and the Border Patrol work with the cities and municipalties who want the help.

That's just off the top of my head. We get into trouble all the damn time because people are willing to shred the rule of law for their own pet issues based on the false notion that "We have no other choice but to (fill-in-the-blank)."

I agree with Rand Paul and Jack Hunter. There is no reason to go full retard (i.e. authoritarian) just to deal with the issue of illegal immigration.

[Swordsmyth]

Seems there are more Red-Blooded 'Mericans with MAGA and War hats and ladies with dyed-red hair who have cause me more grief than any immigrant. How about sending them somewhere and you [and @Swordsmyth] can go with them. They don't hate us for our freedoms - you guys do. And so do the politicians that you elect into office.

We'll send you with them instead.

[Swordsmyth]

Sounds like you belong over on HitlerForums instead of here

First one to call the opponent Hitler loses the argument.

The Military is a perfectly valid response to an invasion.

And Rand is also being disingenuous, Trump and Homan have already said that the military will only be used for transportation and logistics.
The time may come for them to be deployed to combat and capture the invaders, but that's not the current plan.

[Swordsmyth]

Pretty simple Cut off all financial aid to people that are not US citizens. Zero money from federal government. That means States that Harbor illegals. No need for the military. Could even pay them money call it an incentive to leave. So no money while here but take this home with you. Good bye and don't come back.

Most would stay anyway, to be parasites on our greater prosperity that we and our fathers built.
We should do that, but they also must be actively removed.

[Swordsmyth]

Who said anything about economics??? I didn't mention economics at all in my post.

They are destroying our culture, and yes, necessarily.

And they are destroying liberty, both by how they vote (and they DO vote) and just by their presence and criminal activity.

But so many libertarians think with their wallets, and are shortsighted even then.

[Swordsmyth]

So, you are part of the Thiel/Musk/QAnon Network? You know, the Lefty Technocrat Billionaires who aim to take over and distort everything libertarian and true Free Markets in order to globally monopolize the world?

You WEF/U.N. Globalist, you.

The pot has decided to call the china black again.

[Swordsmyth]

This is the first time I've seen that posted, though it's certainly possible that I glossed over it. Either way, I'm not gonna watch a 1 hour 20 minute podcast.

If you have an actual reason to think Elon is a globalist, you can simply just tell me, using a sentence or two. Or not, either way is fine.

It's impossible to describe a Rube Goldberg machine or play 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon in a sentence or two.

[jmdrake]

Sounds like you belong over on HitlerForums instead of here

Come on Matt. It's @TheTexan.