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    Wiley Nickels Says Democrats Should Create a Shadow Cabinet

    Interesting article, of course coming from the DNC.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/north-carolina-democrat-floats-shadow-cabinet-take-trump-administration


    With President-elect Trump headed back to the White House and Republicans in the majority in Congress, Democrats have few options to push back against the GOP agenda.

    But one enterprising North Carolina lawmaker thinks his minority party should look across the pond to the United Kingdom for the answer to "go toe to toe" with Trump. Rep. WIley Nickels, D-N.C., has proposed that Democrats create a "shadow cabinet" to organize the opposition and challenge each decision by the government.

    "Across the Atlantic, the British have something we don’t: a team from the opposition that mirrors the government’s cabinet members. They watch the cabinet closely, publicly challenging, scrutinizing and offering new ideas. It’s another form of checks and balances — a quiet guardrail that keeps power accountable," Wiley argues in an op-ed for the Washington Post.

    His proposal is to appoint 26 Democratic leaders in Congress to mirror Trump's Cabinet-level officials and challenge each initiative of the incoming administration. Sen.-elect Adam Schiff, D-Calif., for instance, could be a shadow attorney general who would call out Trump's efforts to replace career Justice Department attorneys with those loyal to the president. Or Rep. Gregory W. Meeks, D-N.Y., might be a shadow Secretary of State who would loudly oppose potential action by the Trump administration that would decrease support for Ukraine in its war with Russia.

    "We have to step up our game. We have to go toe to toe with Trump. And it's not just about saying, you know what, what we're against. It's about saying what we're for and putting our best messengers out there," Nickel told CNN's Laura Coates in a recent interview.

    In the U.K., a shadow cabinet is a team of opposition leaders that reflect the ruling party's cabinet members. The shadow cabinet has a counterpart for every minister in the ruling coalition's government.

    It's a system Nickel argues has worked for a century.

    "They watch the Cabinet closely, publicly challenging, scrutinizing and offering new ideas," Nickel wrote in his op-ed. "It’s democracy’s insurance policy. And it strengthens the government, too: There is no room for lazy ideas when rivals stand ready."

    There are key differences between the U.S. and U.K. governments that might complicate this idea. The most obvious being that the U.K. uses a parliamentary system, where multiple parties form coalition governments as opposed to the dual party system Americans have. The U.K. prime minister is the head of government and leads the Cabinet, which exercises the executive power.

    The American founders intentionally created a different system. The U.S. Constitution invests the legislative power in Congress and the authority to enforce laws in the Executive Branch, which is led by the president. The president's cabinet officials each head different executive agencies, which are created by Congress but not administered by lawmakers.

    Members of the cabinet are nominated by the president and confirmed with the "advice and consent" of the Senate. Nickels' proposed shadow cabinet officials would not be subject to similar checks on power. In addition, in the absence of a definite constitutional authority, it is unclear what powers a "shadow cabinet" might exercise, or what purpose it would serve other than to voice objections to Trump's policies – which every member of Congress can already do during legislative debate.

    In an interview with LiveNow from FOX, Nickel clarified that his idea is a "communications push."

    "It’s about putting out our positive message to counter what we’re seeing from Trump. And if Trump or his Cabinet secretaries step out of line we’ve got somebody ready to go and answer, and be accountable to the American people on things we care about," he explained.

    "This is about putting a point person for advocacy groups, for the public, a lead messenger … we need to organize our opposition," Nickel said. "We can do our own American version of a [shadow cabinet] that will help Democrats do the thing we didn’t do, which is get out our positive message and talk about the things that folks are rightly concerned about."



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    This is not going to end well.
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    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    This is not going to end well.
    I wonder if he’s not just testing the waters, or just trying to stay relevant at this point. In other words, is this something he wants to actually thinks can happen or is it part of the collective liberal hive-mind meltdown?

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    This is exactly why the people are so pissed. We do not answer to them. The people that will be on this cabinet will demand that we answer to them. We will be reminding them soon that its $#@! like this THEY ANSWER TO US.
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    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

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    Our central bank is not privately owned.

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    So how does this work in practice?

    RFK,jr exposes massive corruption between Big Pharma and the FDA/CDC and then this "shadow cabinet" comes out and makes an argument for the necessity of keeping things the way they are?

    And the dems want to own that?




    Ok, I'm in favor.
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    This is getting silly.
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    It started silly.
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    I part ways with "libertarianism" when it transitions from ideology grounded in logic into self-defeating autism for the sake of ideological purity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    So how does this work in practice?
    Civil war. You'd literally have 2 governments fighting for control over the same land and resources. Either way it goes, it does not end well.

    Even if they tried it, Trump could declare that an act of treason or secession - you know how much he admires Lincoln. And they will literally blow their minds.

    One of the reasons I'm staying stocked - there are so many ways the Dems could screw up the current opportunity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Civil war. You'd literally have 2 governments fighting for control over the same land and resources. Either way it goes, it does not end well.

    Even if they tried it, Trump could declare that an act of treason or secession - you know how much he admires Lincoln. And they will literally blow their minds.

    One of the reasons I'm staying stocked - there are so many ways the Dems could screw up the current opportunity.
    Well, the thing is, they'd have to take up an opposing position on things that would drive even the most brain-dead liberals to snap out of their trance.

    "You mean you want unnecessary chemicals in our food?"

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    Last edited by nobody's_hero; 11-16-2024 at 10:20 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is getting silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It started silly.
    T.S. Eliot's The Hollow Men

    We Are Running Out of Time - Mini Me

    Quote Originally Posted by Philhelm
    I part ways with "libertarianism" when it transitions from ideology grounded in logic into self-defeating autism for the sake of ideological purity.

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    Never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake.

    This is a mistake. Dont interrupt them. The DEEP STATE is exposing itself. Now we know exactly who to arrest and charge with TREASON AND SEDITION.
    1776 > 1984

    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

    The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide

    Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Our central bank is not privately owned.



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    They already did that, from 2016 to 2020.

    And Trump never thought to question why nothing got accomplished.

    Well, nothing except the Bump Stock ban.

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    I encourage secession as it furthers the goal of decentralization.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FineSpeech View Post
    I encourage secession as it furthers the goal of decentralization.
    Agreed.

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    Nickels seems to have forgotten we already had a shadow government during Trump's first four years.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    Never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake.

    This is a mistake. Dont interrupt them. The DEEP STATE is exposing itself. Now we know exactly who to arrest and charge with TREASON AND SEDITION.
    I hope this is correct. The Dems are apparently brain-dead enough to not realize the majority of Americans are sick of what they’ve been pushing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A. Havnes View Post
    I hope this is correct. The Dems are apparently brain-dead enough to not realize the majority of Americans are sick of what they’ve been pushing.
    The Dems expect that they have to BLACKMAIL everyone or achieve their unpopular goals by COERCION. They have lost their ability to leverage. And they are brain dead enough that they think if they cant leverage something, it can not be achieved. They know they are unpopular, mostly because it benefits them disproportionately. They think the only way to get what they want is to threaten people with INJUSTICE, in the mean while, if we survive (nuclear war at this very moment is a very strong possibility) they will be brought to JUSTICE. REAL JUSTICE.
    1776 > 1984

    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

    The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide

    Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Our central bank is not privately owned.

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    Wow! Some Trump supporters are a unhinged as many of the Kamala Harris supporters I'm running into online. Civil War? Treason? Sedition? Over...this?

    "Across the Atlantic, the British have something we don’t: a team from the opposition that mirrors the government’s cabinet members. They watch the cabinet closely, publicly challenging, scrutinizing and offering new ideas. It’s another form of checks and balances — a quiet guardrail that keeps power accountable," Wiley argues in an op-ed for the Washington Post.

    It's basically a think tank. No different from the think tanks that already exist. Liberals are freaking out over "Project 2025" because some think tank, which as no real power, put out a 900 page policy position paper. Big freaking deal! Nothing matters until it's actually implemented or attempted to be implemented. Some of the stuff Trump has proposed is AWFUL from a liberty standpoint just like some of the stuff Kamala Harris proposed is AWFUL from a liberty standpoint. Both Trump and Biden/Harris support a "virtual border wall" (i.e. more mass surveilance on everyone) including face scanning cameras at the airport. Rather than worrying about whether or not Trump is stopped, why aren't' y'all worried about loss of liberty regardless of which politician or party it comes from? Where's @PAF when you need him?
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    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Really it sort of already exists , in Reps and senate minority leaders and tv covered rebuttals to union addresses, on supreme court ea side writes a summary etc
    Do something Danke



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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    Really it sort of already exists , in Reps and senate minority leaders and tv covered rebuttals to union addresses, on supreme court ea side writes a summary etc
    Government within government, in the sense that these people are unelected.

    Ability to create rules which have the force of law, rubber stamped by the Supreme Fraud.

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    Of course. The shadow cabinet working against all of Trump's MAGA moves. The drama! The intrigue! The clickbait videos and links!

    How else are we going to get new versions of the 50 page "Fraud on the FISA Court" nonsense from the first term that amounted to precisely SQUAT.


    It's all so tiring watching the same old playbooks being run and nobody even notices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Wow! Some Trump supporters are a unhinged as many of the Kamala Harris supporters I'm running into online. Civil War? Treason? Sedition? Over...this?

    "Across the Atlantic, the British have something we don’t: a team from the opposition that mirrors the government’s cabinet members. They watch the cabinet closely, publicly challenging, scrutinizing and offering new ideas. It’s another form of checks and balances — a quiet guardrail that keeps power accountable," Wiley argues in an op-ed for the Washington Post.

    It's basically a think tank. No different from the think tanks that already exist. Liberals are freaking out over "Project 2025" because some think tank, which as no real power, put out a 900 page policy position paper. Big freaking deal! Nothing matters until it's actually implemented or attempted to be implemented.


    Some of the stuff Trump has proposed is AWFUL from a liberty standpoint just like some of the stuff Kamala Harris proposed is AWFUL from a liberty standpoint. Both Trump and Biden/Harris support a "virtual border wall" (i.e. more mass surveilance on everyone) including face scanning cameras at the airport. Rather than worrying about whether or not Trump is stopped, why aren't' y'all worried about loss of liberty regardless of which politician or party it comes from? Where's @PAF when you need him?

    I couldn’t have said it better.

    When people stop with the “we will let it slide because it’s my side that did it” or “this is the ‘reason’ we need this implemented”, and instead hold both sides accountable, maybe things like walls, mass surveillance, TSA, Patriot Act, eVerify, facial recognition/biometric databases, etc. won’t get passed.

    I have said before that in my lifetime more Police-State has happened under republicans, but that typically falls upon deaf ears. This isn’t a team sport, folks, where you eat hot dogs, watch a game and go home after it’s over. This is our liberty, costly at that, where we should be defending and protecting no matter which “side” you’re on.

    Read each and every one of the Bill of Rights, for crying out loud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    I couldn’t have said it better.

    When people stop with the “we will let it slide because it’s my side that did it” or “this is the ‘reason’ we need this implemented”, and instead hold both sides accountable, maybe things like walls, mass surveillance, TSA, Patriot Act, eVerify, facial recognition/biometric databases, etc. won’t get passed.

    I have said before that in my lifetime more Police-State has happened under republicans, but that typically falls upon deaf ears. This isn’t a team sport, folks, where you eat hot dogs, watch a game and go home after it’s over. This is our liberty, costly at that, where we should be defending and protecting no matter which “side” you’re on.

    Read each and every one of the Bill of Rights, for crying out loud.
    You think we don't know all of that?

    We're all just living moment by moment to try make our lives as slaves as comfortable as we can.

    Because none of us - not you, not me - are willing to pay the sacrifice to actually be free.

    Until that sacrifice is paid, all of this is gonna keep happening and keep getting worse. No amount of monotonous lectures about how "both sides are bad" is gonna change that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    Because none of us - not you, not me - are willing to pay the sacrifice to actually be free.
    I've mentioned sacrifice before but it's not just some abstract concept. For me, personally, I know the sacrifices that I would need to make. For me to make a meaningful contribution to the fight for freedom, I would need to forfeit my savings, my job, my hobbies, and live basically the rest of my life as a hunted and wanted criminal. I'm not willing to pay that sacrifice.

    But if I did -- even as a lone individual -- I am confident that I could make a meaningful contribution to liberty, and potentially even change the course of history with my actions.

    I just choose not to.
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
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    Donald Trump / Crenshaw 2024!!!!

    My pronouns are he/him/his

  25. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    Because none of us - not you, not me - are willing to pay the sacrifice to actually be free.
    I've mentioned sacrifice before but it's not just some abstract concept. For me, personally, I know the sacrifices that I would need to make. For me to make a meaningful contribution to the fight for freedom, I would need to forfeit my savings, my job, my hobbies, and live basically the rest of my life as a hunted and wanted criminal. I'm not willing to pay that sacrifice.

    But if I did -- even as a lone individual -- I am confident that I could make a meaningful contribution to liberty, and potentially even change the course of history with my actions.

    I just choose not to.
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
    - Kim Kardashian

    Donald Trump / Crenshaw 2024!!!!

    My pronouns are he/him/his



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