Is anyone else getting their hopes up now?

[Okie RP fan]

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What are our next steps? I'm asking about everything from a liberty perspective after this election because while still entirely possible this is a mirage of some sort and while we're not out of the woods by any stretch, do we now have a time to strike further into the GOP?

The LP is dead to me after what occurred at the convention and nominating that leftist. So, I will need to look for a new party either in the GOP again or go Indy to have any type of political "voice."

The last 4-8 years (depending on your timeline, it may go way beyond that) of witch hunting and lives being turned upside down will be for nothing if we don't hold the GOP accountable (I feel all of the irony typing that out, but this time feels different... or does it?).

I want to believe, but deep down in my heart the skepticism and the truth of our system as it is still lies at the forefront. Is this all too good to be true? Can a corner really be turned? Or will this be a flash in the pan of the dying empire?

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

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What are our next steps? I'm asking about everything from a liberty perspective after this election because while still entirely possible this is a mirage of some sort and while we're not out of the woods by any stretch, do we now have a time to strike further into the GOP?

The LP is dead to me after what occurred at the convention and nominating that leftist. So, I will need to look for a new party either in the GOP again or go Indy to have any type of political "voice."

The last 4-8 years (depending on your timeline, it may go way beyond that) of witch hunting and lives being turned upside down will be for nothing if we don't hold the GOP accountable (I feel all of the irony typing that out, but this time feels different... or does it?).

I want to believe, but deep down in my heart the skepticism and the truth of our system as it is still lies at the forefront. Is this all too good to be true? Can a corner really be turned? Or will this be a flash in the pan of the dying empire?

Just remain optimistically pessimist.

[TheTexan]

For as long as I've been alive, the Left and the Right have been the same.

It's possible we're starting to see a divergence, which would have significant repercussions for how the future unfolds.

[Okie RP fan]

Just remain optimistically pessimist.

This is beautiful.

For as long as I've been alive, the Left and the Right have been the same.

It's possible we're starting to see a divergence, which would have significant repercussions for how the future unfolds.

Yea, I got my first real lessons during the 2012 RP campaign... But this is the first time since then that something "feels" different. Slap me before I start sounding like a lefty Dem.

[ClaytonB]

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What are our next steps? I'm asking about everything from a liberty perspective after this election because while still entirely possible this is a mirage of some sort and while we're not out of the woods by any stretch, do we now have a time to strike further into the GOP?

The LP is dead to me after what occurred at the convention and nominating that leftist. So, I will need to look for a new party either in the GOP again or go Indy to have any type of political "voice."

The last 4-8 years (depending on your timeline, it may go way beyond that) of witch hunting and lives being turned upside down will be for nothing if we don't hold the GOP accountable (I feel all of the irony typing that out, but this time feels different... or does it?).

I want to believe, but deep down in my heart the skepticism and the truth of our system as it is still lies at the forefront. Is this all too good to be true? Can a corner really be turned? Or will this be a flash in the pan of the dying empire?

I think we'll find out 1/20/25. Either Trump follows through on his day-1 promises, or not. If they've "gotten to him", we'll know. So, I'm glad he's made those promises because they will definitely be a bellwether for the next 4 years. I normally don't do litmus tests but this is one test I'll make an exception for. Clown World has been almost 15 years of non-stop madness. Either the fever delusions are finally breaking, or they are not. Like a lot of people, I desperately want to know because I only got so much "it is what it is" in me...

[unknown]

Yes, definitely getting some signs of hope, dialogue with Ron Paul, RFK Jrs involvement, Musk and his nonstop liberty based tweets.

Lots of talk about deportations, slashing spending, shutting down departments and agencies.

Unfortunately, reports coming out that Trump's transition team is going to put a stop to all that.

Which if they give us the same establishment players and policies means that either Trump was full of $#@!, he's asleep at the wheel or is too weak to stop the Deep State.

[unknown]

The National LP was co-opted by the Left years ago.

Some of the state level organizations are still legit.

[CaptUSA]

This is beautiful.



Yea, I got my first real lessons during the 2012 RP campaign... But this is the first time since then that something "feels" different. Slap me before I start sounding like a lefty Dem.

The legacy corporate press committed hara-kiri in their attempts to gaslight the American public. The left NEEDS propaganda to maintain power. If the people don’t buy it and there are alternative ways to get information, then that beast cannot survive.

With this election, long form podcasts will survive. At least for now, they won’t be censored.

But it’s really up to the governing party to come through. If they don’t, then this alternative media will destroy them too.

Yes, there is a big white pill! We can’t squander it.

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

The legacy corporate press committed hara-kiri in their attempts to gaslight the American public. The left NEEDS propaganda to maintain power. If the people don’t buy it and there are alternative ways to get information, then that beast cannot survive.

With this election, long form podcasts will survive. At least for now, they won’t be censored.

But it’s really up to the governing party to come through. If they don’t, then this alternative media will destroy them too.

Yes, there is a big white pill! We can’t squander it.

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1855119856649355729?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1855119856649355729%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=
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[Okie RP fan]

Yes, definitely getting some signs of hope, dialogue with Ron Paul, RFK Jrs involvement, Musk and his nonstop liberty based tweets.

Lots of talk about deportations, slashing spending, shutting down departments and agencies.

Unfortunately, reports coming out that Trump's transition team is going to put a stop to all that.

Which if they give us the same establishment players and policies means that either Trump was full of $#@!, he's asleep at the wheel or is too weak to stop the Deep State.

Yea, after years of being ignored all of the sudden Ron and his platform of years past is getting attention and I really wonder how genuine it is. Why now? Why did people start listening now?

The legacy corporate press committed hara-kiri in their attempts to gaslight the American public. The left NEEDS propaganda to maintain power. If the people don’t buy it and there are alternative ways to get information, then that beast cannot survive.

With this election, long form podcasts will survive. At least for now, they won’t be censored.

But it’s really up to the governing party to come through. If they don’t, then this alternative media will destroy them too.

Yes, there is a big white pill! We can’t squander it.

If nothing else, I really do hope the mainstream media continues its death. I know there's been rumors of CNN being bought out, but who knows?
It'd be great to get a truly objective news network on cable television, or at least one that presents multiple angles consistently and fairly.

[nobody's_hero]

Kind of:

[CaptUSA]

Yea, after years of being ignored all of the sudden Ron and his platform of years past is getting attention and I really wonder how genuine it is. Why now? Why did people start listening now?

If nothing else, I really do hope the mainstream media continues its death. I know there's been rumors of CNN being bought out, but who knows?
It'd be great to get a truly objective news network on cable television, or at least one that presents multiple angles consistently and fairly.

I think cable and network news are both dying. The future is on the internet. I'm not on X, but I guess lots of people get their news there now, and with community notes, there's a real time check. It's not perfect, but it's MUCH better.

You ask why people started listening now? Because long-form conversations tend to strip away the bull$#@!. And when the bull$#@! is gone, the ideals of liberty can thrive.

The interesting thing here, though, is that you have to continually use new tactics with the deep state, because they WILL adjust. They always do. But this new form of communication puts them in a real tight spot. Which IMO is why this election was unlike others in the past - it really did matter. Because had the machine's puppet taken over, they would have found reasons to ramp up the censorship regime.

[CaptUSA]

Kind of:

This needed it's own thread.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...14#post7264614

[nobody's_hero]

Les GOOO

[Brian4Liberty]

Yea, after years of being ignored all of the sudden Ron and his platform of years past is getting attention and I really wonder how genuine it is. Why now? Why did people start listening now?
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To fulfill the promise of libertarian representation in the Trump admin. Musk, being the smartest man in the room, knew the value of engaging with Ron Paul.

What comes of it, we can cross our fingers. I won't be holding my breath.

Needless to say, Kamala and her friends would rather p!ss on us then engage with us. Emhoff might enjoy that, but not the rest of us.

[Brian4Liberty]

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What are our next steps? I'm asking about everything from a liberty perspective after this election because while still entirely possible this is a mirage of some sort and while we're not out of the woods by any stretch, do we now have a time to strike further into the GOP?
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We need to engage in a positive manner as much as possible with everyone in the Trump sphere. Not to kiss ass, but to make our voices heard and to push in the direction of liberty. Trump listens to the room, and we need to be the loudest voices in the room.

[nobody's_hero]

We need to engage in a positive manner as much as possible with everyone in the Trump sphere. Not to kiss ass, but to make our voices heard and to push in the direction of liberty. Trump listens to the room, and we need to be the loudest voices in the room.

The power of podcasters/independent media is real. Tucker, Benny Johnson, Joe Rogan, et. al have real influence on viewers, and likewise, they know what their viewers want, and if they can push that to Trump, maybe . . . maybe something good will come of it.

Trump will never understand liberty to any principled degree compared to people like Ron Paul.

But if his true motive is building a legacy, stroking his ego, and being loved by many, making smart picks would be the way to do it.

I guess we'll see.

[69360]

Not really, I feel like the new improved slightly milder version of Trump probably won't get us all killed and the economy will be ok. I think if he does a whole lot of nothing like his first term, that is the best we can hope for.

[Anti Federalist]

No.

I am looking for a few small incremental changes, before the GOP $#@!s it all up again and the Marxists re-take the House and Senate in 2026.

[PAF]

Maybe I should scream even louder how much I hate the federal government and that I no longer vote, perhaps Trump will hear my voice and know that there are others like me, and in order to "Rebuild Trust" and faith in government he'll do some of things that I want done. One of those being, don't turn this country into a Technocratic Society run by the Billionaire's Club, which is on course to being under this administration. Even if others can't see it right in front of their eyes.

How's that for "participating" and "getting my hopes up".

[TheTexan]

No.

I am looking for a few small incremental changes, before the GOP $#@!s it all up again and the Marxists re-take the House and Senate in 2026.

I just want the A/C turned on in my prison block. It's like 100 degrees in here.

[Working Poor]

I think they have helped free speech some what. I think the left is still trying to repress it. I don't consent or comply to or with evil.

[vita3]

https://x.com/bennyjohnson/status/1855398900774969599

[asurfaholic]

I went to a few of the NC rally’s. Was in charlotte, Wilmington, and kinston. All 3 times I came away believing I was in the party of American patriots. These are the people who care about the US. They hate corruption. They hate the open borders and the weirdosexual agenda. They want lower taxes and smaller government.

Are they libertarians? No, but libertarians don’t have a monopoly on patriotism.

While the politicians of the left and right are riddled with bad people, the people who are for liberty are mostly in the Republican Party.

I felt like this isn’t the party of John McCain and Lindsey Grahm, and Trump represents a move away from the old way. The people who came out appears to be excited because Trump is not establishment. And despite PAF’s incessant statements to the contrary, the people who I met at the rallies are very much in tune with all things politics. These are veterans, business owners, working people. They aren’t sheep. The optimism is real and based on seeing Trump for who is is and has been for decades. I believe more than ever that he is actually America first. The liberty movement didn’t die- it just moved to the GOP where there are numbers and influence.

[TheTexan]

Maybe I should scream even louder how much I hate the federal government and that I no longer vote, perhaps Trump will hear my voice and know that there are others like me, and in order to "Rebuild Trust" and faith in government he'll do some of things that I want done. One of those being, don't turn this country into a Technocratic Society run by the Billionaire's Club, which is on course to being under this administration. Even if others can't see it right in front of their eyes.

How's that for "participating" and "getting my hopes up".

You're a prisoner like the rest of us. You can either 1) pay the sacrifice to break out, 2) whine silently and/or loudly and suffer, 3) follow the rules of the system to try to suffer a tiny bit less.

All are valid options. You've gone with option 2. Others have gone with option 3.

[PAF]

You're a prisoner like the rest of us. You can either 1) pay the sacrifice to break out, 2) whine silently and/or loudly and suffer, 3) follow the rules of the system to try to suffer a tiny bit less.

All are valid options. You've gone with option 2. Others have gone with option 3.

Option 3 tightens the noose a little slower so that I can really feel it around my neck. Now what?

[Okie RP fan]

I went to a few of the NC rally’s. Was in charlotte, Wilmington, and kinston. All 3 times I came away believing I was in the party of American patriots. These are the people who care about the US. They hate corruption. They hate the open borders and the weirdosexual agenda. They want lower taxes and smaller government.

Are they libertarians? No, but libertarians don’t have a monopoly on patriotism.

While the politicians of the left and right are riddled with bad people, the people who are for liberty are mostly in the Republican Party.

I felt like this isn’t the party of John McCain and Lindsey Grahm, and Trump represents a move away from the old way. The people who came out appears to be excited because Trump is not establishment. And despite PAF’s incessant statements to the contrary, the people who I met at the rallies are very much in tune with all things politics. These are veterans, business owners, working people. They aren’t sheep. The optimism is real and based on seeing Trump for who is is and has been for decades. I believe more than ever that he is actually America first. The liberty movement didn’t die- it just moved to the GOP where there are numbers and influence.

I have never considered myself "MAGA" (still don't) and my leanings toward Trump are very much more about being contrarian to what the mainstream and establishment have told us how we should think about him. But, this is good to hear from a real source. I really don't know many MAGA people... Maybe that'll change.

[PAF]

I went to a few of the NC rally’s. Was in charlotte, Wilmington, and kinston. All 3 times I came away believing I was in the party of American patriots. These are the people who care about the US. They hate corruption. They hate the open borders and the weirdosexual agenda. They want lower taxes and smaller government.

Are they libertarians? No, but libertarians don’t have a monopoly on patriotism.

While the politicians of the left and right are riddled with bad people, the people who are for liberty are mostly in the Republican Party.

I felt like this isn’t the party of John McCain and Lindsey Grahm, and Trump represents a move away from the old way. The people who came out appears to be excited because Trump is not establishment. And despite PAF’s incessant statements to the contrary, the people who I met at the rallies are very much in tune with all things politics. These are veterans, business owners, working people. They aren’t sheep. The optimism is real and based on seeing Trump for who is is and has been for decades. I believe more than ever that he is actually America first. The liberty movement didn’t die- it just moved to the GOP where there are numbers and influence.

Well, since you brought my name up again, I'll respond.

The difference is, statist republicans want "solutions" that promote the police-state and cost tons of money. They refuse to understand/acknowledge the actual root cause of the problems, and they reject the zero-cost solutions which yields the most liberty. Take your stoopid border example, for example. I want no part of your or MAGA/USA USA/Republican "solutions". Because, once again, they're stoopid. It's like talking to a GD brick wall.

[TheTexan]

Option 3 tightens the noose a little slower so that I can really feel it around my neck. Now what?

Well then, option 1 is available to you.

But you can hardly judge us for going with option 3 if it loosens the noose around our necks. If that happens to tighten the noose around your neck, well, tough titties, you're blaming the wrong person.

I mentioned earlier that I wanted the A/C turned on in my cell block because its 100 degrees in here. Let's say that A/C comes out of our (very) meager paycheck that they allow us. Of course, this decision applies to the entire cell block, which includes you. If you don't want the A/C on, and I do want the A/C on, am I "stealing" your money if I ask the warden to turn on the A/C for our cell block?

[PAF]

Well then, option 1 is available to you.

But you can hardly judge us for going with option 3 if it loosens the noose around our necks. If that happens to tighten the noose around your neck, well, tough titties, you're blaming the wrong person.

I mentioned earlier that I wanted the A/C turned on in my cell block because its 100 degrees in here. Let's say that A/C comes out of our (very) meager paycheck that they allow us. Of course, this decision applies to the entire cell block, which includes you. If you don't want the A/C on, and I do want the A/C on, am I "stealing" your money if I ask the warden to turn on the A/C for our cell block?

The part that you are forgetting about is what you are intimately self-embracing and aware of: I can be very just as selfish and not care about other people, just like you

So now, sir, we are at an impasse. Not that it matters to John and Suzie Q Public

It is a nationalistic democracy, after all.