An apology

[Swordsmyth]

At least 13 million extra votes (even if we accept the ridiculous claimed turnout), seems like just about the amount of "missing" votes this time, doesn't it?

[otherone]

At least 13 million extra votes (even if we accept the ridiculous claimed turnout), seems like just about the amount of "missing" votes this time, doesn't it?

It's interesting. I don't think anyone thought through the fraud of 2020; that it set a precedent for future election results. I've been spending a lot of time sifting through Libs' responses to this election. They're wondering where all those votes went from the last election. They can't see the larger picture, that Trump's numbers have been pretty consistent for three elections, and that Dem votes have been consistent with Obama, Hillary, and Harris. Biden's votes stick out as the anomaly. Soooo...where DID those votes go?

[jmdrake]

The two different sources were two different people who looked at the data before they had 4 years to cook the books.
You just want us to take the embezzler's word and look at his current set of books while ignoring him doing things like locking the poll watchers out during the counting.

Bullshyt. I've edited your previous post so that the link itself is visible.

More than 20,000 absentee ballots in Pennsylvania have impossible return dates and another more than 80,000 have return dates that raise questions, according to a researcher’s analysis of the state’s voter database.
Over 51,000 ballots were marked as returned just a day after they were sent out—an extraordinary speed, given U.S. Postal Service (USPS) delivery times, while nearly 35,000 were returned on the same day they were mailed out. Another more than 23,000 have a return date earlier than the sent date. More than 9,000 have no sent date.
The state’s voter records are being scrutinized as President Donald Trump is challenging the results of the presidential election in Pennsylvania and other states where his opponent, former Vice President Joe Biden, holds a tight lead. The Trump campaign is alleging that invalid ballots have been counted for Democrats and valid ballots for Republicans were thrown away.
The analysis of the data.pa.gov/Government-Efficiency-Citizen-Engagement/2020-General-Election-Mail-Ballot-Requests-Departm/mcba-yywm publicly available data[/URL] was conducted by a data researcher who submitted it first to the Chinese-language edition of The Epoch Times. The researcher, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said he consulted about the matter with several USPS field engineers, who said the return dates shown in the database are “impossible.”

https://www.theepochtimes.com/us/pen...-dates-3572942

That's the same damn link! You simply are relying on lies.

[Invisible Man]

Update:

The current tally is 74,191,964 votes for Harris and 76,733,150 votes for Trump, so a total of just shy of 151 million votes. This is with 97 to 99 percent reporting from all 50 states. California and New York are both at 97 percent. So overall, I'd guess there are still well over a million more votes to be counted across the country, so the total should end up above 152 million votes for the two major party presidential candidates this year, about 3 million below what it was in 2020.

[Swordsmyth]

Update:

The current tally is 74,191,964 votes for Harris and 76,733,150 votes for Trump, so a total of just shy of 151 million votes. This is with 97 to 99 percent reporting from all 50 states. California and New York are both at 97 percent. So overall, I'd guess there are still well over a million more votes to be counted across the country, so the total should end up above 152 million votes for the two major party presidential candidates this year, about 3 million below what it was in 2020.

Yeah, they kept the fraud machine running in low gear during the long counts to steal Congressional seats and try to undermine the popular vote.

[Invisible Man]

Yeah, they kept the fraud machine running in low gear during the long counts to steal Congressional seats and try to undermine the popular vote.

Go back and look at the dishonest game you played in our interactions in posts 116 through 128 of this thread. You pushed the narrative that there was a dramatic difference in the number of votes in 2020 and 2024 and that the difference was the fraud in 2020. You accused me of playing dumb by pushing back against that in my pointing out that a comparison between the final vote count in 2020 and only a partial vote count in 2024 was not apples to apples.

And all this time you knew full well that the point you were making was bogus, that it was just a way to drum up the emotions of people whom you knew wouldn't have a long enough attention span to see the actual numbers undermine the claim, and you had this alternative explanation ready up your sleeve the whole time to use when that day arrived.

[Swordsmyth]

Go back and look at the dishonest game you played in our interactions in posts 116 through 128 of this thread. You pushed the narrative that there was a dramatic difference in the number of votes in 2020 and 2024 and that the difference was the fraud in 2020. You accused me of playing dumb by pushing back against that in my pointing out that a comparison between the final vote count in 2020 and only a partial vote count in 2024 was not apples to apples.

And all this time you knew full well that the point you were making was bogus, that it was just a way to drum up the emotions of people whom you knew wouldn't have a long enough attention span to see the actual numbers undermine the claim, and you had this alternative explanation ready up your sleeve the whole time to use when that day arrived.

Bunk.
There was a drastic difference, but your side has been trying to reduce it because it was pointed out.
The amount of votes "found" since then is implausible and full of signs of fraud.

[Invisible Man]

Bunk.
There was a drastic difference, but your side has been trying to reduce it because it was pointed out.
The amount of votes "found" since then is implausible and full of signs of fraud.

How drastic? A few million? OK, if you honestly consider that "drastic." Earlier you were pawning off much higher numbers than that.

These votes weren't "found" since then. They were there all along, and anybody who wanted to be honest about the numbers knew they were there in the percent of votes not yet reported in each state. This number, percent reporting, was openly given by each state the whole time. Regardless how much fraud there was, there was no point in time when anybody was justified in claiming that Harris only got 66 million votes.

[Swordsmyth]

How drastic? A few million? OK, if you honestly consider that "drastic." Earlier you were pawning off much higher numbers than that.

These votes weren't "found" since then. They were there all along, and anybody who wanted to be honest about the numbers knew they were there in the percent of votes not yet reported in each state. This number, percent reporting, was openly given by each state the whole time. Regardless how much fraud there was, there was no point in time when anybody was justified in claiming that Harris only got 66 million votes.

As AF said, she was on track to get about 70 million maybe, and that was with the level of fraud that was done already at that point.

Trump did not have 5 million fraudulent ballots.

Trump's at 72,212,596 votes right now, with 58% of CA still to count, which at his current rate will net about 2 million more votes, and then whatever else may come in.

That gets him to 74 million, +/- a half million either way.

Which is roughly what he got in 2020, perhaps 500,000 more.

74,223,975 in 2020

Biden got 81 million in 2020. Harris is on track to get 70 million or so.

The nation's population increased from what it was in 2020, and you're saying 10 to 11 million democrat votes just dried up?

Bull$#@!.

They "dried up" because they were never "there" to begin with.

[Swordsmyth]

There is not a reasonable explanation as to why so many precincts in Boston had over 100% turnout rate

https://x.com/EricAbbenante/status/1860128634650132974

[Invisible Man]

The tally is now 74,938,716 votes for Harris and 77,234,701 votes for Trump, for a total of over 152 million. Almost all states are at 99% reporting. But Oregon is still only at 97, Mississippi is only at 94, and Massachusetts is at 98. So we may see the total get to 153 million.

Unfortunately, the idiots who jumped to conclusions based on their first impressions from the memes that were spread the day after the election showing a make believe drop of 20 million votes from 2020 to 2024 are not going to see this, and they won't allow it to register in their brains even if it's put in front of them.

[ClaytonB]

The tally is now 74,938,716 votes for Harris and 77,234,701 votes for Trump, for a total of over 152 million. Almost all states are at 99% reporting. But Oregon is still only at 97, Mississippi is only at 94, and Massachusetts is at 98. So we may see the total get to 153 million.

Unfortunately, the idiots who jumped to conclusions based on their first impressions from the memes that were spread the day after the election showing a make believe drop of 20 million votes from 2020 to 2024 are not going to see this, and they won't allow it to register in their brains even if it's put in front of them.

What in the world requires 1+ month to count simple votes? The deadline is Election Day, meaning, anything after that is late and doesn't get counted. So, which government bureaucrat's desk are these mail-in votes (OR, my home-state is 100% mail-in voting) sitting on?? If you think there is something normal about it taking 1+ months to count the votes for the most important election in the nation, you've lost the plot. The higher the technology, the longer it takes to count the votes. Obviously, somebody's playing with loaded dice. I don't know who (names/addresses), but I have no doubt that somebody is!!

[Swordsmyth]

The tally is now 74,938,716 votes for Harris and 77,234,701 votes for Trump, for a total of over 152 million. Almost all states are at 99% reporting. But Oregon is still only at 97, Mississippi is only at 94, and Massachusetts is at 98. So we may see the total get to 153 million.

Unfortunately, the idiots who jumped to conclusions based on their first impressions from the memes that were spread the day after the election showing a make believe drop of 20 million votes from 2020 to 2024 are not going to see this, and they won't allow it to register in their brains even if it's put in front of them.

They've been manufacturing votes for weeks to cover up what people noticed.

[Invisible Man]

What in the world requires 1+ month to count simple votes?

That is a very fair question. But not one that affects the point that dishonesty like what we saw in the OP was baseless. It was never as though any states claimed that their vote counts on the day after the election were any more complete than they actually were. It was just that people who wanted to make a false claim using sound bites and memes without looking at details that take a tiny bit more of an attention span to read chose to ignore that.

[Swordsmyth]

That is a very fair question. But not one that affects the point that dishonesty like what we saw in the OP was baseless. It was never as though any states claimed that their vote counts on the day after the election were any more complete than they actually were. It was just that people who wanted to make a false claim using sound bites and memes without looking at details that take a tiny bit more of an attention span to read chose to ignore that.

You're not fooling anybody.


December is here, the election has been over for a month, Trump has picked out his cabinet and California is still counting the votes. And will go on counting them until the Dems win.
Considering Trump’s landslide victory, California had a difficult task ahead of it, but it has already managed to flip the seats held by Rep. Mike Garcia, Rep. Michelle Steel and just stole the seat held by Rep. John Duarte.
In Duarte’s 13th congressional district, California Dems have taken a month to count a little over 210,000 votes. That’s an impressive achievement considering that the proverbial Florida Man seems able to count the votes on Election night. Even third world countries seem to do it.
It took Democrats ‘counting’ a full 3 weeks to get the Democrat challenger to finally take a lead. Four weeks later, they are declaring victory after finally having ‘found’ enough ballots.
Garcia, Steel and Duarte were all leading on Election night until late-arriving mail drop ballots showed up.
California Democrats flipping three seats matches the dubious accomplishment of their New York counterparts who also flipped three seats. That’s a striking achievement since Kamala had actually dropped down 3 million votes from Biden’s 2020 numbers in California and New York. In California alone, Kamala was down 1.9 million and yet somehow three red seats turned blue.
This mysterious ‘blue wave’ arrived even as voters statewide defied Democrats and the media to vote for Prop 36, to make crime illegal a[gai]n, and rejected a variety of lefty propositions including Prop 6, 32 and 33, and it arrived not in liberal areas, but in swing districts.

California tilted right, yet somehow swing districts tilted left to unseat House Republicans. Not only that but after the election, based on the numbers at the time, California Republicans expected to pick up four seats in CA-9 CA-21, CA,47 and CA-49. They ended up not only picking up no seats, but also losing 3 out of 5 Republican House seats in the election.
This incredible blue wave in which Democrats won 7 out of 9 House seats came even as the overall numbers showed that California had tilted right and Democrats were underperforming.
Even more incredibly, California Dems somehow won these seats well after the election.
The late-arriving blue wave had consequences beyond whittling down the House Republican majority, it’s also being used to steal President Trump’s landslide and national mandate.
After the election, Trump had won 40% of the vote and he’s now at 38% and counting. The difference may be slight, but it’s part of the math that Democrats and their media are using to argue that he didn’t really win the popular vote and doesn’t actually have a mandate.
Since the election, Kamala has ‘picked up’ over 3.5 million votes in California.
Those 3.5 million votes were crucial to arguing that Trump did not win the majority of the popular vote, but 49.97% (at current count) of the popular vote. What may seem like a trivial exercise is already percolating through the media and the Democrats who will not only insist on it going forward, who will fact check and censor anyone who disagrees, but will also be used to argue that Trump does not have a popular mandate and that they have the right to undermine him.
How much of a difference does 0.03% make? Enough to argue that Trump is an illegitimate president and that the Democrats don’t need to back down from a leftist extremist agenda.
The last time the Democrats had lost the popular vote was 2004. The defeat led to a reassessment that marked the end of normative party politics and the rise of Obama. Kamala’s 2024 defeat two decades later could mark the end of the era of Obama politics. Kamala had been touted as the new Obama, her campaign had been run by Obama veterans and she had relied on the Obamas to make the closing argument for her ahead of the election.
Unlike 2016, the Democrats reacted with shock to not only an electoral defeat, but their rejection by most of the country. There was talk that wokeness might be over, that transgender politics needed to be reconsidered and that the party had been dragged much too far to the left.
Stealing Trump’s popular vote mandate not only undermines him, but assures the Democrats that they do not need to change anything because they did not ‘really’ lose the popular vote.
As thin as the excuse may be, Democrats will be looking for any reason not to change.
Kamala’s defeat was not just a rejection of the party, but of California Democrat politics. Not only was Kamala a native daughter of the state, but her campaign was a California Democrat one. No presidential candidate had ever staked their entire campaign’s closing argument on abortion. None had endorsed legalizing illegal migration in every way right down to using taxpayer money to pay for sex changes for illegal alien criminals. California had helped Kamala lose in 2024.
California Democrats believe that they are the future of the party. Gov. Gavin Newsom polls as the highest ranked new 2028 contender and has convened a special legislative session to ‘Trump proof’ California. And by stealing the election, California is showing it’s still the future.
The 2024 election was overall conducted in a more legitimate fashion in swing states. Efforts by Pennsylvania Democrats to count illegitimate and undated ballots were shut down by courts. But California Democrats have decided to be a shining example to the party that there is no reason to conduct legitimate elections when they still have an army of ballot harvesters.
Every bad trend comes out of California and the state’s Democrat machine is showing its counterparts across the country that the answer isn’t change, but totalitarianism. From bans on voter ID to funding an army of organizers to conduct voter outreach and turnout to a process that ‘counts’ and finds votes into the winter, California is a model of abusing the system, tanting the resultings, repressing the voters and suppressing political change.
Looking to 2028, Democrats will have a choice between moderation and extremism, between trying to realign the party with the majority of Americans, or with building an even bigger mousetrap to steal elections. California is making the case for election rigging and extremism.
And even though it may not be a swing state, the blatant corruption of California’s election abuses show that it poses a threat not only to voters in the state, but to the entire country.
2024 rolled back the steal but the path to restoring election integrity runs through California.

https://www.frontpagemag.com/how-cal...vote-majority/



They not only manufactured votes to claim Trump didn't take a majority of the popular vote, they did it to cover for the missing fraud people pointed out.
And you are trying to help the fraudsters.

[Invisible Man]

California is still counting the votes. And will go on counting them until the Dems win.

The Dems already won California based just on the votes they counted in the first 24 hours. There was never a scenario where that wasn't going to be the case. And all 50 states are still counting some votes.

If you honestly believe that there is some plan out there to "find" enough votes for Harris to flip enough states to be able to have her win the election, you're delusional.

[Swordsmyth]

The Dems already won California based just on the votes they counted in the first 24 hours. There was never a scenario where that wasn't going to be the case. And all 50 states are still counting some votes.

If you honestly believe that there is some plan out there to "find" enough votes for Harris to flip enough states to be able to have her win the election, you're delusional.

They're stealing House seats and the national popular vote, and they're covering up the missing votes scandal.

It's not about flipping the election, it's about the House, denying that Trump had a majority of the popular vote, and covering fraud.
You are writhing around trying to give them cover but it won't work.

[Invisible Man]

They're stealing House seats and the national popular vote, and they're covering up the missing votes scandal.

It's not about flipping the election, it's about the House, denying that Trump had a majority of the popular vote, and covering fraud.
You are writhing around trying to give them cover but it won't work.

I am not trying to give anyone cover. I'm just trying to be accurate when it comes to making statements on matters of fact.

If you're right about something, you shouldn't need to twist the data with propaganda. You should be able to deal with it as it is.

[Swordsmyth]

I am not trying to give anyone cover. I'm just trying to be accurate when it comes to making statements on matters of fact.

If you're right about something, you shouldn't need to twist the data with propaganda. You should be able to deal with it as it is.

You're not trying to be accurate, you're trying to sell fraud as legitimate.
You are the one pushing twisted propaganda from the fraudsters.
They're manufacturing votes for a month after election day and you want us to disbelieve our own eyes.

[Swordsmyth]

There is not a reasonable explanation as to why so many precincts in Boston had over 100% turnout rate

https://x.com/EricAbbenante/status/1860128634650132974

Reminder.
Nothing to see here, move along.

[Invisible Man]

You're not trying to be accurate, you're trying to sell fraud as legitimate.
You are the one pushing twisted propaganda from the fraudsters.
They're manufacturing votes for a month after election day and you want us to disbelieve our own eyes.

Please provide the quote of my exact words which are trying to sell fraud as legitimate.

[Invisible Man]

Reminder.
Nothing to see here, move along.

Are you claiming that you stand by that data as accurate?

[ClaytonB]

I am not trying to give anyone cover. I'm just trying to be accurate when it comes to making statements on matters of fact.

If you're right about something, you shouldn't need to twist the data with propaganda. You should be able to deal with it as it is.

This is the moving-goalposts fallacy. The whole point in contention is that the national election is shot through with fraud, so the very sources you're pointing to as "fact" (the various States with their never-ending "vote counting" processes) are the prime suspects in the national election fraud!

The bigger fallacy, of which your verbal trickery here is just one example, is the "Prove It" fallacy. You walk into your house to find your house robbed. There are two masked men sneaking out the back, each with a stuffed bag over their shoulder. You hail them, and say, "Hey, stop where you are! That's my stuff! You robbed my house!" but, to your shock, the shameless crooks turn around and say, "Prove It". In every rational sense, they are caught red-handed. But to meet their shameless demand, you would need to inspect their bags. Upon which attempt, they will loudly profess their 4th amendment right. This is precisely what the Deep State has been doing to America. They are a gang of shameless, lawless crooks. And even when they get caught red-handed on-camera, as they did in Fulton County, GA in 2020, pulling out a cart full of hidden ballots from under a skirted table, after hours, after the doors were locked, after all the other votes had been counted... they just shamelessly turn around and say, "Prove It".

[Swordsmyth]

The elections in Orange County, California are a mess. Over 309,000 ballots were counted in the county’s results than were returned in the 2024 election, and more than 325,000 ballots were sent out than the county has registered voters.

More at: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...ounty-ca-that/

[Invisible Man]

This is the moving-goalposts fallacy. The whole point in contention is that the national election is shot through with fraud, so the very sources you're pointing to as "fact" (the various States with their never-ending "vote counting" processes) are the prime suspects in the national election fraud!

I am pointing to the same sources the OP used. Those sources never supported the conclusion the OP relied on them for.