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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by unknown View Post
    At minimum, they need to push for voter ID.

    The Red states should have implemented after 2020.
    NC does thankfully.
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  3. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    The answer is lack of enthusiasm. These were two deeply unpopular candidates. Democrats rallied around Biden to get rid of Trump, they did not get behind Harris in the same way, she had exremely poor approval polling.

    I still have seen no proof of widespread fraud in 2020. It's been litigated to death, it just didn't happen.
    Litigated to death is what you call courts refusing to examine the cases?
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  4. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    https://x.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1854261459561443374

    Devils advocate. How do we account for the outlier that is also Trumps vote totals in 2020 are also extremely high.
    Did they both cheat and the Dems just did better?

  5. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Mail in needs to go.
    I don't think it needs to go. We've had absentee mail-in ballots for decades. But you used to have to make a special effort to request an absentee ballot and provide a documented, valid reason by a certain date.
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  7. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    Devils advocate. How do we account for the outlier that is also Trumps vote totals in 2020 are also extremely high.
    Did they both cheat and the Dems just did better?
    See here:

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    The rigging happened in the rules changes in 2020. Rule changes that Democrats have been begging for for decades. Because they know that they get a MUCH higher share of the votes from the liberal rules.

    Some of those rules were pared back, but not all. It'll be curious when the deep analysis is done and we can compare and contrast the totals and check them against the rule changes (drop boxes, unsolicited mail-ins, early voting with no ID checks and masks, etc.)
    Any time you "increase voter access", you are also increasing system vulnerabilities. Those vulnerabilities will be exploited by both sides and both sides know this. But one side as a BIG advantage over the other in that exploitation. Which is why the D's always push to open the system, while the R's always push to restrict the system. It has nothing to do with getting it right - it's all about gaining advantages.

    In 2020, the system has never been more wide open.
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  8. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    The answer is lack of enthusiasm. These were two deeply unpopular candidates. Democrats rallied around Biden to get rid of Trump, they did not get behind Harris in the same way, she had exremely poor approval polling.

    I still have seen no proof of widespread fraud in 2020. It's been litigated to death, it just didn't happen.
    I don't think the enthusiasm was there in 2020.

    I mean . . .

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    This is getting silly.
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    It started silly.
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    I part ways with "libertarianism" when it transitions from ideology grounded in logic into self-defeating autism for the sake of ideological purity.

  9. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged View Post
    None of the numbers make sense.
    If I listen to the news now, they say that people from every demographic went to Trump in unheard of numbers. Latino's, Blacks, White Women.... Why are his numbers the same as 2020?
    Where are you able to see his final vote count? Websites I've checked still show a bunch of states with well below 100% of precincts reporting.
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  10. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    Devils advocate. How do we account for the outlier that is also Trumps vote totals in 2020 are also extremely high.
    Did they both cheat and the Dems just did better?
    But they are not extremely high when compared to this year.

    74.2 million in 2020

    72.6 million in 2024, and, as of this post, there are still millions of votes left to count in CA.

    So I would say that it would end up around 74.5
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  11. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    LOL

    You really have no shame about supporting the leftist tyrants and their fraud.
    I don't see left versus right D and R. I see your entire corrupt government as one crony fraud organization where one hand relies on and feeds the other.

    Here's another thing; if I had to "choose" based on history one "side" being worse than the other, in my lifetime republicans have cost more money and destroyed far more rights that democrats.

    So, take your letter "R" and shove it where the sun don't shine.
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  12. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by asurfaholic View Post
    Litigated to death is what you call courts refusing to examine the cases?
    Well, yes. Bringing a meritless case before the courts and having it dismissed is litigation.

  13. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    I don't think the enthusiasm was there in 2020.

    I mean . . .

    Democrats were scared to venture outside during Covid.

  14. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Mail in needs to go.

    But do you really think the frauds will put a stop to their own fraud in the states they have stolen? Really?
    Don't you agree it's better than the feds doing it?



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  16. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    Well, yes. Bringing a meritless case before the courts and having it dismissed is litigation.
    This isn’t my understanding of what happened. They just flat refused to hear any of it. It’s not the same as deciding the case has “no merit” because they didn’t even examine any evidence or witness testimonies.

    Litigating meritless cases to death is what they did to Donald trump.
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  17. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    Well, yes. Bringing a meritless case before the courts and having it dismissed is litigation.
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
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  18. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    I don't think it needs to go. We've had absentee mail-in ballots for decades. But you used to have to make a special effort to request an absentee ballot and provide a documented, valid reason by a certain date.
    Yeah, that makes the most sense. As long as it's not on an industrial scale like in 2020 it should be ok.

  19. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I want to apologize about something I was very wrong about.
    As long as we're doing mea culpas, I should probably say I was wrong about the importance of Trump. I was a vocal critic during his first term. For every good thing he did, it seemed like there were 3 bad things. But I guess I needed to see how bad it could get with his replacement to fully appreciate what he was dealing with. Not only did he have that whole Russia-gate distraction, but almost his whole cabinet was working against him. Or more accurately, working in spite of him and in service of the state regime.

    And then they released a government-created virus on the world and gave him a bunch of scary scenarios and bad advice on how to respond. And with no clear guiding principles, he succumbed to their pressures.

    I still plan on being a big critic during his second term, but maybe I'll consider things more on balance. I do expect a BIG financial crash to happen during his term. I hope to God he selects better people to guide him.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

  20. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    Well, yes. Bringing a meritless case before the courts and having it dismissed is litigation.
    Very few of the 2020 cases were dismissed on the merits. (Just off-hand, I can only recall one, in Nevada.)

    Almost all of them were disposed on procedural grounds, lack of standing, etc. - not because they were deemed to be without merit.

  21. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    As long as we're doing mea culpas, I should probably say I was wrong about the importance of Trump. I was a vocal critic during his first term. For every good thing he did, it seemed like there were 3 bad things. But I guess I needed to see how bad it could get with his replacement to fully appreciate what he was dealing with. Not only did he have that whole Russia-gate distraction, but almost his whole cabinet was working against him. Or more accurately, working in spite of him and in service of the state regime.

    And then they released a government-created virus on the world and gave him a bunch of scary scenarios and bad advice on how to respond. And with no clear guiding principles, he succumbed to their pressures.

    I still plan on being a big critic during his second term, but maybe I'll consider things more on balance. I do expect a BIG financial crash to happen during his term. I hope to God he selects better people to guide him.
    As horrendous as Trump was during his first term, and whether you believe that he was being bamboozled or not, I personally believe the multi-billionaire was actually working on the side of the elites. With the mistrust of government he actually had the perfect opportunity to rile his base enough to demand an end to many of the programs and 3 Letter Agencies. As it stands, he actually took democrats into his campaign and states that he wants things to run more "efficiently", effectively regrowing faith and trust in government.

    Trump gets a F- once again.
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  22. #79
    I am going to be very optimistic about Trump Second Term until he gives me reason to not be.

  23. #80
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    As horrendous as Trump was during his first term, and whether you believe that he was being bamboozled or not, I personally believe the multi-billionaire was actually working on the side of the elites.
    Yeah, I used to believe that, too. Only that he was working on the side of the elites that were friendly to him. (I don't put them all in the same basket like they're all working in unison with each other)

    But I do recall an anecdote from my former CEO... Early in Trump's first term, he met with Trump in the Oval office about energy policy. He told me that in the meeting, Trump was very open about the need to support nuclear power and to speed up the permitting processes and operational regulatory hurdles. They shook hands and were in agreement. Trump stepped out of the room and his aides took over and started walking back everything Trump had just agreed to. At the time, I chalked it up to Trump letting his henchmen do his dirty work. But now, I think they were really undermining his decisions. I think we saw a bunch of that on the news as well.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire



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  25. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I want to apologize about something I was very wrong about.

    I dismissed many of the claims that the 2020 election was rigged, or at least rigged to the extent that many people were saying it was.

    I figured there was the usual "side" hanky panky, a little better organized and carried out, but not 10 millions worth.

    But now, that is appearing exactly what happened in 2020.

    10 million fraudulent ballots were injected into the system, through various means, to totally upset and manipulate the outcome.

    I still find it hard to believe and that it was carried out right before our eyes, but $#@!, there is no other conclusion to be reached.

    So, mea culpa, my apologies to the folks that were telling me what was the glaring truth.
    Higher than average voter turnout for 2020 was reported way back in 2021. See: https://www.brookings.edu/articles/t...us-data-shows/

    Possible reasons for the higher turnout?

    1) Nationwide there was no questions asked abstentie voting. So all of a sudden voting was super convenient.

    2) Nationwide mass protests and civil unrest natutually resulted in higher voter turnout.

    The 2020 turnout level while high, is not unprecedented. From the above linked article.


    The Census Bureau’s estimates confirm the general perception that 2020 voter turnout was very high, at 66.8%. This was the biggest turnout in a presidential election since 1992 (67.7%) and more than 5 points higher than the 2016 election.



    Notice the huge spike from 1988 to 1992 followed by a even larger crash in voting in 1996. But nobody was crying "conspiracy theory" back then. 1992 was Bill Clinton's first presidential election and 1996 was his second. But to @TheCount's point, why stop stealing? One can argue that it was "harder to steal" this time because we don't have universal mail in voting, but it was also harder to vote this time for the very same reason.

    But if anybody really wanted to get to the bottom of this, they could do a follow up study. Each jurisdiction has lists of voters who voted in each election. Find people who the rolls showed voted in 2020 and not in 2024 and do a random phone survey asking the simple question "Did you vote in 2020?" If a significant number say "no" then maybe you have something. But I fit int the catgory of those who voted in 2024 and did not vote in 2020. And I'm willing to bet that you're more likely to find people who voted for someone other than Trump in 2020 and didn't vote in 2024 than those who voted for Trump and then decided to sit this one out.
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    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
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    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  26. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Yeah, I used to believe that, too. Only that he was working on the side of the elites that were friendly to him. (I don't put them all in the same basket like they're all working in unison with each other)

    But I do recall an anecdote from my former CEO... Early in Trump's first term, he met with Trump in the Oval office about energy policy. He told me that in the meeting, Trump was very open about the need to support nuclear power and to speed up the permitting processes and operational regulatory hurdles. They shook hands and were in agreement. Trump stepped out of the room and his aides took over and started walking back everything Trump had just agreed to. At the time, I chalked it up to Trump letting his henchmen do his dirty work. But now, I think they were really undermining his decisions. I think we saw a bunch of that on the news as well.
    If you haven't had a chance to listen to this yet, I strongly hope that you will. If it seems too long for you, maybe skip [I wouldn't] to the meet at about 40:00 and all the way to the end:

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...d-Whitney-Webb

    Warning: you may not like what you hear.
    Last edited by PAF; 11-07-2024 at 02:31 PM.
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  27. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    If you haven't had a chance to listen to this yet, I strongly hope that you will. If it seems too long for you, maybe skip [I wouldn't] to the meet at about 40:00 and all the way to the end:

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...d-Whitney-Webb

    Warning: you may not like what you hear.
    I'll check it out later and give my thoughts in that thread. James Corbett and Whitney Webb are two of the best conspiracy realists in the business.
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    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  28. #84
    I don't know much about Corbett, but I am wholly unimpressed by everything I've watched/read from Whitney Webb. I think she's an idiot.

  29. #85
    Quote Originally Posted by Bern View Post
    I don't know much about Corbett, but I am wholly unimpressed by everything I've watched/read from Whitney Webb. I think she's an idiot.
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  30. #86
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    I'll check it out later and give my thoughts in that thread. James Corbett and Whitney Webb are two of the best conspiracy realists in the business.
    I cross reference a lot of what I hear and read. They are very difficult [if not impossible] to dispute.
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  31. #87
    @PAF

    I kind of wonder what your core beliefs are outside of the politics.
    Because this guides how we perceive and feel about what we see happening in the American political sphere, you seem exceptionally negative, a doom and gloom type of guy.

    For example, I wanted Trump to win because he is a Bulwark against things I despise well I am waiting for the things outlined below.

    I personally believe like many other rulers used by God at critical times in history that were unbelievers and heathens, that he utilized them and their personalities to accomplish certain objectives that link up to bible prophesy.
    Do I think he is the antichrist of coarse not, actually I think the dark forces were trying to take him out, but in this chess match they lost.

    I actually think Trump is going bring about world peace, which will trigger a certain bible prophesy, which in turn triggers another bible prophesy that has to do with UN, and this triggers Jesus to FINALLY take action on this planet, so those are my reasons.

    I imagine my world view is very different than yours.
    Last edited by ProBlue33; 11-07-2024 at 04:54 PM.
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  32. #88
    Voter ID and no more mail-in ballots, except for service members. If you are too lazy to go to the polls or too busy enjoying your shore house in another state, tough cookies.
    Last edited by Warrior_of_Freedom; 11-07-2024 at 05:21 PM.
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  34. #89
    Quote Originally Posted by ProBlue33 View Post
    @PAF

    I kind of wonder what your core beliefs are outside of the politics.
    Because this guides how we perceive and feel about what we see happening in the American political sphere, you seem exceptionally negative, a doom and gloom type of guy.

    For example, I wanted Trump to win because he is a Bulwark against things I despise well I am waiting for the things outlined below.

    I personally believe like many other rulers used by God at critical times in history that were unbelievers and heathens, that he utilized them and their personalities to accomplish certain objectives that link up to bible prophesy.
    Do I think he is the antichrist of coarse not, actually I think the dark forces were trying to take him out, but in this chess match they lost.

    I actually think Trump is going bring about world peace, which will trigger a certain bible prophesy, which in turn triggers another bible prophesy that has to do with UN, and this triggers Jesus to FINALLY take action on this planet, so those are my reasons.

    I imagine my world view is very different than yours.

    First off, I do not believe that Trump is the anti-Christ, but he certainly was not sent by God. He is a billionaire opportunist plain and simple who doesn't know the first thing about libertarian[ism] or the Bill of Rights. He thrives on attention and wants to leave some kind of legacy for his offspring to remember him by. That said, it would be fun to hang around the guy, I think we'd have lots of fun and get along pretty well ;-) Politically, he can go pound sand.

    Secondly, I'm not doom and gloom at all. I'm actually very well rounded, have too many interests and hobbies to count, and more adventurous than kids half my age. But I am a realist, and realize now that government was not, is not, and never will be the solution.

    Sometimes I get carried away here on the forum, but my goal is to expose what I can to show others that no politician/government has your self-interest at heart, and that there are other ways to research things, think about things, and apply them to everyday life. Sometimes [ok, a lot] I inject my dry sense of humor into things, but that's just me lol

    Every once in a while I come across an article or a podcast which nails it home. When I do, I try to exploit it the best that I can in hopes that others may take things from it as I do. Who knows, next month it might be something/somebody else different. But for now, it's Whitney Webb because everything that I have researched on my own and started threads on, she nails it in one nice podcast.

    Lastly, I've said before that I'm not much of a conversationalist online. A few jabs here and there which is fun and ok, but unless somebody provides data and based on the facts, or can at least prove me wrong which I actually welcome and appreciate, I lose interest really fast.

    Anyway, if you have the time, check this out. If you can't sit through it, at least start at the 40:00 minute mark and listen to the end. As I warned before, you may not like what you hear, but according to my own research and cross-referencing, it's solid:


    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...d-Whitney-Webb


    Oh, I'm an anarchist/libertarian/Agorist/whatever ;-)
    Last edited by PAF; 11-07-2024 at 05:24 PM.
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  35. #90
    Wings and motorcycles and hot chicks....that's how you get @PAF 's attention @ProBlue33

    Like this:



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