An apology

[Bern]

FWIW:

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I went through the N.Y. Times map and entered the data from the states which weren't listed as >95% reporting, and projecting from current totals, it seems like Harris is likely to get probably about 9M more, for a total of about 76M. Trump's popular vote will likewise grow considerably beyond his current 72M, to about 79M. That expected split (76M to 79M) might be compared to the 2020 final results, which favored Biden by 81M to 74M; it thus appears that we will ultimately see a likely swing of about 5M votes, give or take a million or so, I'd guess.

I mention this because I've been seeing people suggesting that the decline from Biden's 81M to Harris's 67M is highly suspicious. But, again, that doesn't make much sense, because that's comparing final 2020 totals to far-from-final 2024 totals.
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https://reason.com/volokh/2024/11/06...4-vote-totals/

[Okie RP fan]

Let's also consider how much more skepticism was around this time.

Twitter is now X and controlled by Elon and not their henchmen. Facebook wasn't as active in censorship, etc. Their guards from 2020 weren't around this time. So, maybe they chucked a hail mary and hoped for the best.

2020 was fraudulent. The degree to which is what's the debatable part.

[PAF]

Let's also consider how much more skepticism was around this time.

Twitter is now X and controlled by Elon and not their henchmen. Facebook wasn't as active in censorship, etc. Their guards from 2020 weren't around this time. So, maybe they chucked a hail mary and hoped for the best.

2020 was fraudulent. The degree to which is what's the debatable part.

Seems Elon wants X to be the equivalent of China's "WeChat":

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...d-Whitney-Webb

It's well worth the watch and explains how the Technocrats are working toward the the U.N. and WEF agenda.

[Working Poor]

I think if there is going to be voting that people should have to show ID. I have to have ID to buy allergy pills and many other ddiffernt reasons.

I don't buy allergy pills very often but when I do I have to it is good sense to not buck over it when asked to show ID.

I did not vote I don't know why I just didn't. If I had voted I would have voted for Trump. I feel that most elections have some kinda rigging going on. It seems that there could be a fool proof way of keeping elections honest. I don't think there is.

I elect God to be my leader as always. I have surely not always followed Him and learned the true cost. an the real blessing of findingGod's path for me. It isn't easy but it is much more real to me than letting politics get on my nerves.

[nobody's_hero]

Seems Elon wants X to be the equivalent of China's "WeChat":

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...d-Whitney-Webb

It's well worth the watch and explains how the Technocrats are working toward the the U.N. and WEF agenda.

And yet at the same time, Elon tags Ron Paul in a post on X and propels Ron's follower count over 1 million and lights up the 89 year old doctor's eyes with hints of optimism in a way I haven't seen since 2012. .

[Occam's Banana]

And yet at the same time, Elon tags Ron Paul in a post on X and propels Ron's follower count over 1 million and lights up the 89 year old doctor's eyes with hints of optimism in a way I haven't seen since 2012. .

All part of the Master Plan ...

[PAF]

And yet at the same time, Elon tags Ron Paul in a post on X and propels Ron's follower count over 1 million and lights up the 89 year old doctor's eyes with hints of optimism in a way I haven't seen since 2012. .

All well and awesome to get Ron more exposure. But, politics is filthy business and I still don't trust Elon further than I can spit.

YMMV

[Occam's Banana]

https://x.com/LorraineEvanoff/status...56038758420730

[Occam's Banana]

https://x.com/kentbanishearl/status/1854298087797252510

[nobody's_hero]

All well and awesome to get Ron more exposure. But, politics is filthy business and I still don't trust Elon further than I can spit.

YMMV

A safe view to have.

An anecdote:

I was actually having this conversation with my mother, who was a 'Trump supporter' before I was (she voted for him in 2016, I didn't vote at all that year). EDIT: To add: She was encouraging regarding my interests in politics, but not altogether interested in Ron Paul. I would share his speeches and all that with her, but it never sparked passion the way it did for me.

So she calls me into the living room yesterday morning, (she lives with me, she can't live alone on a social security check), and she's holding the smart TV remote with real excitement in her eyes, and she's like "YOU GOTTA SEE THIS!"

She has this video pulled up on the Youtube App (I already knew about the Elon-Ron exchange, but it was news to her):


I tell that story to say, Trump has made it easier for me to talk about things Ron Paul advocated, with my mother, who I could never reach in 2012, or 2008. To see her get excited about that or want to actually have a conversation about things like Federal Reserve policy or why we should be arguing for staying out of foreign wars. . . —it feels good.
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Anyway, back to what I was talking about with my mother about Elon:

There are certainly benefits that Elon is getting from this.

X shares are roaring as well as usage data.

I'm not entirely sure that there won't be some quid-pro-quo as far as what Elon might get from Trump to help with Space X or Tesla.

Or maybe he just wants the lawfare against him to stop, where he's being sued for 'discrimination against foreign refugees', but at the same time is barred from hiring them due to the sensitivity of the technology used in his rocket program, which forbids foreigners from being allowed around military-grade tech. I mean, that's a fairly crappy situation to be in.

But, listening to Elon and Rogan have a conversation, I've also got this absolutely crazy idea that Elon might not be motivated by money. I think he's autistic. A highly functional autistic person, perhaps. But he was never a 'social butterfly' until he got involved with this campaign.

And most people who want power can't stand talking to the 'little people.' It's a bother.

Do I have to?

Yes, the campaign manager thinks you should go out and say a few words, at least.

*Eyeroll* If I must.

Elon seems to have embraced it.




I don't know.

[unknown]

A safe view to have.

An anecdote:

I was actually having this conversation with my mother, who was a 'Trump supporter' before I was (she voted for him in 2016, I didn't vote at all that year). EDIT: To add: She was encouraging regarding my interests in politics, but not altogether interested in Ron Paul. I would share his speeches and all that with her, but it never sparked passion the way it did for me.

So she calls me into the living room two days ago, (she lives with me, she can't live alone on a social security check), and she's holding the smart TV remote with real excitement in her eyes, and she's like "YOU GOTTA SEE THIS!"

She has this video pulled up on the Youtube App:


I tell that story to say, Trump has made it easier for me to talk about things Ron Paul advocated, with my mother, who I could never reach in 2012, or 2008. To see her get excited about that or want to actually have a conversation about things like Federal Reserve policy or why we should be arguing for staying out of foreign wars. . . —it feels good.
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Anyway, back to what I was talking about with my mother about Elon:

There are certainly benefits that Elon is getting from this.

X shares are roaring as well as usage data.

I'm not entirely sure that there won't be some quid-pro-quo as far as what Elon might get from Trump to help with Space X or Tesla.

Or maybe he just wants the lawfare against him to stop, where he's being sued for 'discrimination against foreign refugees', but at the same time is barred from hiring them due to the sensitivity of the technology used in his rocket program, which forbids foreigners from being allowed around military-grade tech. I mean, that's a fairly crappy situation to be in.

But, listening to Elon and Rogan have a conversation, I've also got this absolutely crazy idea that Elon might not be motivated by money. I think he's autistic. A highly functional autistic person, perhaps. But he was never a 'social butterfly' until he got involved with this campaign.

And most people who want power can't stand talking to the 'little people.' It's a bother.

Do I have to?

Yes, the campaign manager thinks you should go out and say a few words, at least.

*Eyeroll* If I must.

Elon seems to have embraced it.




I don't know.

Based.

[ClaytonB]

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Now even wealthier than before, and closer to their global central government, TPTB will draw back. They expanded the idea of government power and control, which will be leveraged for the global new world order to come.

What about Trump's second term? Trump proved in his first term to be just as naïve and brainwashed as the average Fox News viewer. He was clueless about what they were up to, and what he was up against. No reason to believe it will be any different this time, and the same stymie, hinder and distract tactics can be used again to prevent any meaningful prosecutions. If worse comes to worse, there is always the escape of a long run vacation in Europe. That is the worse case scenario.

The best case scenario? Trump makes some headway reviving the victim. Let him perform a business miracle, while likely keeping the Fed money presses rolling. Bring America back to health, at least enough for the vampires to descend again for another feeding.

Rome is bankrupted and the barbarians are in control. Time for “champagne wishes and caviar dreams".

This almost reads like some kind of Deep State fanfic. "They" are not in control. "They" certainly believe they are in control, and I suppose they may even have every material reason to believe they are in control, but they are not. And if you look at the world with skeptical glasses on, it's obvious that they're not in control. An "8 year takeover plot" makes no sense -- if they really had so much power, they wouldn't need such an elaborate scheme, they would simply have invaded (politically speaking), seized power, and that would be that.

The true sign of power is that the one with power does not try to do anything, he simply does it, and is unopposed. "TeH AlL-PoWeRfUl DeEp StAtE" is an absolute fiction that only exists in the fevered imaginations of the Deep State themselves, and those who are controlled by fear of them. I don't need to repeat that the Gospel is the way out of all of this...

[Todd]

Looking more and more like it needs to be revisited

[Brian4Liberty]

This almost reads like some kind of Deep State fanfic. "They" are not in control. "They" certainly believe they are in control, and I suppose they may even have every material reason to believe they are in control, but they are not. And if you look at the world with skeptical glasses on, it's obvious that they're not in control. An "8 year takeover plot" makes no sense -- if they really had so much power, they wouldn't need such an elaborate scheme, they would simply have invaded (politically speaking), seized power, and that would be that.
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They are not all powerful. They have to work within the limits of how much they can get away with. That is somewhat the point.

As far as an 8 year plan, that is nothing on the time frame the top levels of the plutocracy work. And my "fanfic" has them profiting in 4 years, as soon as they installed Biden.

They certainly do manipulate invasions and power seizures, but rarely taking credit in the open. You could say "hey, if you are thief with guns, why not charge into the bank and steal everything?", as opposed to more stealthy methods such as Bernie Madoff or Sam Bankman-Fried have used. It certainly wouldn't make sense to say that the former is a display of true power, and the later a display of impotence. Madoff and SBF suffering from being too greedy, and too audacious. There are consequences when the smoke and mirrors are blown away.

[Voluntarist]

CNN anchor Jake Tapper is going viral for his stunned reaction early Wednesday when told that Vice President Kamala Harris had failed to outperform President Biden’s 2020 results in a single state.

Tapper asked CNN chief national correspondent John King to pull up a graphic showing in which states Harris had gotten at least 3% more votes than Biden had in the last election — just to be presented with a gray map reflecting her failure even in that.

“Holy smokes!” Tapper gasped. “Literally nothing?”

“Literally nothing,” King confirmed.
The slide, which would have lit up states where Harris outperformed Biden by 3% or more, was instead completely gray.

What's the 3% all about? Inflation? How much of the board lights up if she simply does better than Biden? Maybe it's not much better, but "doing better" means anything above what Biden received, not anything above 3% more than Biden received.

[Anti Globalist]

I don't even believe Kamala's current vote total. How did a woman who polled at less than 1% in her own party somehow get 67 million to vote for her?

[TheTexan]

Great thread. And humble post.
I for one just never had enough evidence to argue with people about it. I still say I don’t know but it sure looks like shenanigans.

I just looked at it like a fat kid alone with a bowl of skittles. If the adults leave the room, those skittles are gonna f'in disappear, and when the adults come back in, he's like "wasn't me and you can't prove it lololol"

[Anti Federalist]

https://x.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1854261459561443374

[69360]

The answer is lack of enthusiasm. These were two deeply unpopular candidates. Democrats rallied around Biden to get rid of Trump, they did not get behind Harris in the same way, she had exremely poor approval polling.

I still have seen no proof of widespread fraud in 2020. It's been litigated to death, it just didn't happen.

[Brian4Liberty]

All part of the Master Plan ...

Every time I hear The Master Plan, I hear a song...

"Tell you about my theory
Cleanse myself from secrecy
Prove it's not all fantasies
All to live in decency
My quest for answers
The truth of what lies behind
The search is over
And I'm in shock of what I've found

We are all a part of
Forced to live within
A conspiracy for ages
The Masterplan"

[Anti Federalist]

The answer is lack of enthusiasm. These were two deeply unpopular candidates. Democrats rallied around Biden to get rid of Trump, they did not get behind Harris in the same way, she had exremely poor approval polling.

I still have seen no proof of widespread fraud in 2020. It's been litigated to death, it just didn't happen.

Then why did the same two deeply unpopular candidates smash all time voting records, ever, in 2020?

I used to think that, what you just posted, I no longer do.

Somehow, about 15 million fake ballots got injected into the system, across the country, under the cover of COVID

[Occam's Banana]

https://x.com/GazeWindward/status/1854174051066843440

[Swordsmyth]

I want to apologize about something I was very wrong about.

I dismissed many of the claims that the 2020 election was rigged, or at least rigged to the extent that many people were saying it was.

I figured there was the usual "side" hanky panky, a little better organized and carried out, but not 10 millions worth.

But now, that is appearing exactly what happened in 2020.

10 million fraudulent ballots were injected into the system, through various means, to totally upset and manipulate the outcome.

I still find it hard to believe and that it was carried out right before our eyes, but $#@!, there is no other conclusion to be reached.

So, mea culpa, my apologies to the folks that were telling me what was the glaring truth.

More like 15-20M.
There will have been some this time too, just not enough.

[Swordsmyth]

Okay, I'll do that and you go ask the people behind Trump's 5 million fraudulent ballots in 2020 what they did differently in 2024.

Trump ballots were destroyed or "adjudicated" to be Biden votes.
Thanks for telling us it was 5M.

[Swordsmyth]

To truly 'put it in the past' as far as 2020 goes, pardons should be issued.

I'm going to also state that a good number of democrats probably did not flip for Trump, but rather, simply stayed home.

As the leftists are re-examining 'what went wrong', I will urge us not to gloat.

Sure, if it's the media talking heads, the pay-to-play pollsters, the establishment frauds . . . rub it in their faces—hold up the burning ashes of their credibility for all the world to see.

But for a liberal on the verge of losing faith in what they currently believe, don't antagonize. We need that link to break. They cannot be reached unless that first step of disillusionment happens, and it must be theirs to experience.

To truly put it in the past RICO prosecutions need to take place.

[Swordsmyth]

The WEF and U.N. are actually counting on that.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...17#post7263517

LOL

You really have no shame about supporting the leftist tyrants and their fraud.

[Swordsmyth]

Red states already do have voter ID.

Not all of them, and not all that do require photo ID.
And Congress needs to use its power to require photo ID for all Federal elections so the blue usurpers get tossed out of the states they have stolen.

[Swordsmyth]

I agree, although I tend to think mail in ballots should not be used. It seems way to easy to cheat compared to having to vote in person. How would you catch someone mailing in a bunch of fake ballots?

Also I think if there's fraud it should be handled at the state level, not the federal level. Otherwise you're basically federalizing the election.

Mail in needs to go.

But do you really think the frauds will put a stop to their own fraud in the states they have stolen? Really?

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

I can't go to my doctor that I have been seeing for over 20 years without providing photo ID.

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

None of the numbers make sense.
If I listen to the news now, they say that people from every demographic went to Trump in unheard of numbers. Latino's, Blacks, White Women.... Why are his numbers the same as 2020?