But obviously not going to make any endorsements, and that's okay.
https://x.com/RonPaul/status/1853652711142564328
Last edited by Occam's Banana; 11-05-2024 at 05:16 PM. Reason: added links to tweets
Originally Posted by timosman
This is getting silly.T.S. Eliot's The Hollow Men
We Are Running Out of Time - Mini Me
Dr. Paul couldn't be happier to see the Corporate Media start to lose their strangle grip on propaganda.
IMO, to that end, a fair amount of credit goes to Musk and what he's done with Twitter.
Dr. Paul taking a well deserved victory lap at the start of that video, praising Daniel as well.
Finally getting some way overdue recognition since 08 and 12.
I think Daniel was correct, stating that the Dr. Paul/Elon exchange went viral.
Went on YouTube to search the Big Dog ad and a ton of Ron Paul videos were popping up.
Definitely hit the algorithm.
Dr. Paul stating that he would advise on where and how to downsize government but wouldn't accept an actual position...
This is the one area where I disagree with Dr. Paul.
He should never have left Congress.
And if given the opportunity to go back to DC in an official capacity, he should accept it.
I'm more of a cynic regarding Musk and Vance's backgrounds, but I think in Ron Paul's position it's understandable he'd want to get his name out there as much as he can and it's smart to not make an official endorsement one way or the other.
Okay. So someone convince me tha Dr Paul is actually going to have a place in the Trump administration to not only advise but to make policy decisions on completely tear down this behemoth and I’m seriously considering going to the pols this afternoon and casting a Trump ballot.
Before I convince you, may I ask, are you in a Blue, Red or swing state?
"An idea whose time has come cannot be stopped by any army or any government" - Ron Paul.
"To learn who rules over you simply find out who you arent allowed to criticize."
Anybody who thinks there's any chance of that is crazy. There may be reason to hope that he will be given some shred of influence. But nothing like what you say. That is not what Trump wants, it's not what he ran on, and it's not what his supporters want.
Ron PaulThere is nothing to fear from globalism, free trade and a single worldwide currency, but a globalism where free trade is competitively subsidized by each nation, a continuous trade war is dictated by the WTO, and the single currency is pure fiat, fear is justified. That type of globalism is destined to collapse into economic despair, inflationism and protectionism and managed by resurgent militant nationalism.
Congressional Record (March 13, 2001)
Sir, please do not speak unless spoken to, thank you.
"An idea whose time has come cannot be stopped by any army or any government" - Ron Paul.
"To learn who rules over you simply find out who you arent allowed to criticize."
Elon Musk will and he is REQUESTING to have Ron Paul's input in an official capacity. Ron Paul is the one who wants to do so, but only an an un-official capacity.
Elon Musk has not REQUESTED input from any of the other 8 billion people on the planet.
Only Ron Paul.
If that isn't good enough for you, then you don't deserve to have a good country.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
I know for a fact you're older than this. If you were like 24 years old and still believed every fairy tale politics tells you, that would be one thing, but you've been around here for this entire time and there's not much excuse for it.
Ok, the thing is, I'm going, and I've talked as much $#@! about voting in the last month as anyone but PAF. I'm not going to convince you, but I'll tell you why.
I 100% do not believe Dr Paul is going to have much voice in what happens. Mostly because Dr Paul himself said he doesn't want an official position in one of the vids above. But we'll get to him.
I'm going in and voting for a few reasons.
1) We've gotten to the point where we can instantly tell whether someone is pandering or honestly believes what they're saying. Trump definitely spends a lot of time pandering, but he has surrounded himself with people who don't. Trump is also impressionable (he's been repeatedly blaming that impressionability on why he did certain things last time). If he wins, the people who are going to be surrounding him in the aftermath and taking advantage of that impressionability are all people who honestly believe what they're saying.
2) All of the people in his current orbit are against the war in Ukraine. And the one thing I've heard Trump say that I actually believe is that he wants to wind that whole chapter down. I think this is a given: if Trump wins, Ukraine ends. If Harris wins, Ukraine turns into Afghanistan. That is a certainty.
3) It's not insignificant that RFKjr is in his orbit now. Have you tried to get healthcare for anything that isn't a physical injury recently? The US healthcare system is great if you have a broken arm or need a knee replacement - magical even. But if you have literally any other problem, it is worse than useless. Am I convinced something will happen with it? No - but this is the first of many "there's a chance" things going on right now. The worst outcome for all of these is that there will be a half-hearted fight about it that gets lost in the short term but has a Goldwater/Paul effect where maybe 16 years later people will be thinking about it more. That's worth an hour of my time.
4) Vivek is in his orbit. Before I was thinking I'd vote for RFK I was excited about the idea of voting for Vivek. I have more overlap with Vivek's position than I have had with anyone since Ron Paul (not even Rand!) and he's going to be right there influencing Trump. Same category - is it a guarantee? Hell no. But it's a start, and the best start we've had since 2012.
5) Tulsi Gabbard is in his orbit. This is more of a stretch - but she's going to continue to get national attention and I think any attention paid to people who are authentic and aren't dirty slimy rotten Democrats is attention well spent. Her transition is important because it's a shift away from dirty politics as usual and toward supporting people who are actual human beings. We are being shown that we don't have to just accept the status quo. No, I don't have much overlap with her on policies. But if we can work toward a future where we as a society can have legitimate differences that we're able to discuss rationally, that's a win. Her joining the team represents a rejection of the lies, strawmanning, gaslighting, and everything else that went into our decisions not to vote for the last 12 years.
6) Joe Rogan is in his orbit. This is what pushed me over the edge. Joe Rogan is a normal dude who talks to normal dudes. He also introduces normal dudes to advanced concepts. He's objectively one of the best communicators in the world right now. And he's the current kingmaker.
As Dave Smith pointed out - if Trump wins, then the legacy media will be irreparably crippled forever. The narrative writes itself: If you do new media you win, if you rely on old media, you lose. That's pretty damned important.
"You don't hate media enough. You think you do, but you don't."
If you want to hate media enough, this is your chance.
7) Last of all there's the miniscule chance that the Elon Musk effort will bear fruit. I'm the least hopeful about this and everyone should not expect much. But you know what? It's the first time anyone has said anything this drastic since Ron Paul called for immediately axing 5 whole departments. If Elon does talk to Ron, then we may actually get close to getting something Ron was promising.
Moreover, there's already a path to follow. Argentina did it - and yes, Argentina did it half-assed according to us. But they still did it. And the world has been watching... and ignoring it. They have to, because it's working. It's objectively working.
This may - just may - be a time for that to happen in America. Again, not hopeful. But it's at least possible.
WHAT THE F*** DID YOU THINK WAS GOING TO HAPPEN???
And yes, I do realize that everything I wrote is essentially the same reason we've heard people are voting for Harris.
This is the way politics works today. We're not voting for a person, we're voting for a system.
Trump's system stands a chance of being not quite the swift kick in the balls.
WHAT THE F*** DID YOU THINK WAS GOING TO HAPPEN???
I love that Dr. Paul has been trending recently. I'm hopeful his voice is allowed to be heard if this election goes well. Also, i have not logged in 11 years from looking at my account. I hope everyone is doing well. Life is crazy, but here i am as remembering the man who lit the spark of freedom in me in 2007.
You give far too much credit to Harris supporters. The only argument the vast majority of them are making is that a) she’s a woman b) ABORTION! c) Trump is literally Hitler
All of this is (the timeline and characters on the stage) strange. So strange.
For the first time since 2007 we have chance for Ron Paul to actually alter this $#@!ty system. Even if its a Hail Mary, I am taking the shot every time.
We all know this country is dominated by statists that out number us. We also know that it is worth fighting for, otherwise we have only been on this forum for these last 17 years to bitch and moan.
Citizen of Arizona
@cleaner4d4
I am a libertarian. I am advocating everyone enjoy maximum freedom on both personal and economic issues as long as they do not bring violence unto others.
I don't remember the context but shortly after she was announced to be the nominee the question came up about what she has ever done that qualified her, and the actual answer given was 'you're not voting for Harris, you're voting for the system that's going to follow her in'. That wasn't said by the right or even ironically. That was the serious reply.
Also I wanted to add that I've been saying repeatedly "give me something to vote FOR and I'll vote, because I refuse to vote AGAINST".
I'm glad Harris has a relative monopoly on the voting-against vote this time.
WHAT THE F*** DID YOU THINK WAS GOING TO HAPPEN???
Im giving this thread five stars. I too am cautiously optimistic .
Do something Danke
Same here, brother!
...
Appreciate those of you all appeasing me and helping me make sense of this. Even Danno…lol.
Yeah I don’t think any of us deserve any of this. Against my better judgement I’m going for the Hail Mary. I’ll probably get fooled again but the mere chance of Paul whispering in Trumps ear and it taking is a huge opportunity that just seemed no existent in 2012 after the Revolution died down…
I don’t have any faith Trump can tackle the Deep State significantly in 4 years even if he was 100% committed, but maybe there’s another chance people will open their eyes as the resistance to change grows.
If you can tell me when we've had someone who is going to head a "Department of Government Efficiency" which is designed to drastically reduce government and government spending, the head of that department requesting Ron Paul, and ONLY Ron Paul's help, and then nothing happened, let me know.
If you can't, then you're full of $#@!.
But I'm glad you're voting anyway. It's the only way we will be able to see what happens.
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"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Barack Obama couldn't get this "you're stupid and that's why you need to do what I say" approach to work and he's a lot prettier and smoother than either of us.
WHAT THE F*** DID YOU THINK WAS GOING TO HAPPEN???
He's the father of the modern day liberty movement, no question.
You gotta stick around, there's all kinds of fun to be had.
"An idea whose time has come cannot be stopped by any army or any government" - Ron Paul.
"To learn who rules over you simply find out who you arent allowed to criticize."
Has Donald Trump said that he wants to drastically reduce government and government spending?
Ron PaulThere is nothing to fear from globalism, free trade and a single worldwide currency, but a globalism where free trade is competitively subsidized by each nation, a continuous trade war is dictated by the WTO, and the single currency is pure fiat, fear is justified. That type of globalism is destined to collapse into economic despair, inflationism and protectionism and managed by resurgent militant nationalism.
Congressional Record (March 13, 2001)
I think the whispering has been going on, very quietly, for many years. Watch what happens.
I refrained from voting but it would be pretty neat to see this giant 17 year circle/cycle completed with Dr. Paul being a prominent figure again in his late years, having a hand in reforming some of the things that the R3volution was founded upon.
^^^^
That's as close as I'll ever get to an endorsement of Donnie lol
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"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"...it is indispensable to trouble in all countries the people’s relations with their governments so as to utterly exhaust humanity with dissension, hatred, struggle, envy and even by the use of torture, by starvation, by the inoculation of diseases, by want, so that they see no other issue than to take refuge in our complete sovereignty in money and in all else."- A Quote From Some Old Book
Yes.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
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This is getting nuts. Check this out:
This is getting silly.T.S. Eliot's The Hollow Men
We Are Running Out of Time - Mini Me
Yes.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
maybe but I wonder how is that going to be possible
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