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Thread: After Six Years of Tariffs, Small-Business Owners Aren't Eager for More

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    After Six Years of Tariffs, Small-Business Owners Aren't Eager for More

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    Trump wants to greatly expand import duties. Entrepreneurs who weathered his first round, which Biden largely left intact, say they’d have to raise prices to survive.

    By Alexandra Byrne
    Nov. 1, 2024


    With former President Donald Trump floating higher and more far-reaching tariffs if he’s elected to a new term, small businesses that sell everything from bikes to beer are nervous about another cost hike that they’d have to pass on to customers.

    Chris Smith, the co-founder of Virginia Beer Co. in Williamsburg, Virginia, remembers when he first spotted a 5.5% surcharge on a statement from one of his suppliers, a U.S.-based seller of tap handles manufactured in China. The fee turned up in September 2019, after Trump placed 25% tariffs on steel, and hasn’t gone away since.

    Smith spends anywhere from $15,000 to $20,000 each year on tap handles emblazoned with the names of his beers — with about $1,000 of that covering the cost of the tariff. He sells them to distributors that get them placed in bars and restaurants that sell his draft beers, increasing the price to cover the tariff surcharges.

    “The beer business specifically is a low-margin, high-volume business,” he said. “We don’t have the volumes that a major player has just by virtue of our size.”

    By contrast, Constellation Brands, which imports Corona and Modelo from Mexico and recently reported about $3 billion in quarterly revenue, has waved off concerns about further tariffs, saying the company thrived under Trump. But smaller operators have less wiggle room, Smith said: “Any increase in our input costs absolutely affects our profitability.”


    So far, the tariffs in force under both White Houses have cost Americans $79 billion, the nonpartisan Tax Foundation estimated this summer.


    “For the small businesses, unfortunately they’re not in a position where they can absorb those additional costs,” said Jonathan Gold, vice president of supply chain and customs policy at the National Retail Federation, a major trade group.

    The nation’s roughly 33 million small businesses employ nearly half the nation’s workers and generate more than 43% of the gross domestic product, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce estimates. And it’s small and medium-sized firms that disproportionately bear the burden of tariffs, Gold said; in many cases, “they’ve got to go ahead and pass those costs directly on to the consumer.”


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    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...ces-rcna177306

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
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    Trump wants to greatly expand import duties. Entrepreneurs who weathered his first round, which Biden largely left intact, say they’d have to raise prices to survive.

    By Alexandra Byrne
    Nov. 1, 2024


    With former President Donald Trump floating higher and more far-reaching tariffs if he’s elected to a new term, small businesses that sell everything from bikes to beer are nervous about another cost hike that they’d have to pass on to customers.

    Chris Smith, the co-founder of Virginia Beer Co. in Williamsburg, Virginia, remembers when he first spotted a 5.5% surcharge on a statement from one of his suppliers, a U.S.-based seller of tap handles manufactured in China. The fee turned up in September 2019, after Trump placed 25% tariffs on steel, and hasn’t gone away since.

    Smith spends anywhere from $15,000 to $20,000 each year on tap handles emblazoned with the names of his beers — with about $1,000 of that covering the cost of the tariff. He sells them to distributors that get them placed in bars and restaurants that sell his draft beers, increasing the price to cover the tariff surcharges.

    “The beer business specifically is a low-margin, high-volume business,” he said. “We don’t have the volumes that a major player has just by virtue of our size.”

    By contrast, Constellation Brands, which imports Corona and Modelo from Mexico and recently reported about $3 billion in quarterly revenue, has waved off concerns about further tariffs, saying the company thrived under Trump. But smaller operators have less wiggle room, Smith said: “Any increase in our input costs absolutely affects our profitability.”


    So far, the tariffs in force under both White Houses have cost Americans $79 billion, the nonpartisan Tax Foundation estimated this summer.


    “For the small businesses, unfortunately they’re not in a position where they can absorb those additional costs,” said Jonathan Gold, vice president of supply chain and customs policy at the National Retail Federation, a major trade group.

    The nation’s roughly 33 million small businesses employ nearly half the nation’s workers and generate more than 43% of the gross domestic product, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce estimates. And it’s small and medium-sized firms that disproportionately bear the burden of tariffs, Gold said; in many cases, “they’ve got to go ahead and pass those costs directly on to the consumer.”


    Full article:

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...ces-rcna177306


    More globalist propaganda and lies. Those “small businessmen” are probably nothing but a bunch of globalist shills.

    We need MOAR tariffs to subsidize rent-seeking, er, I mean PROTECT American industries.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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    What else can small business owners not afford? 4 more years of Biden/harris policies. I’ll take some cost increase if I know that the tariffs are being used to advance America first. Trump uses tariffs as a tool. I support that.
    No - No - No - No
    2016

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    Quote Originally Posted by asurfaholic View Post
    What else can small business owners not afford? 4 more years of Biden/harris policies. I’ll take some cost increase if I know that the tariffs are being used to advance America first. Trump uses tariffs as a tool. I support that.

    Yes! YES!

    Use tariffs as a tool! For large, well-connected corporations and industries to destroy small competitors and plunder their own customers, er I mean to more fairly compete with foreign carpetbaggers!

    Moar tariffs1 MOAR!
    Last edited by CCTelander; 11-01-2024 at 11:56 AM.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by asurfaholic View Post
    What else can small business owners not afford? 4 more years of Biden/harris policies. I’ll take some cost increase if I know that the tariffs are being used to advance America first. Trump uses tariffs as a tool. I support that.

    Democracy: allowing people who don't have a single clue about running a small/medium business vote on small/medium business owners behalf for their own uninformed/politically-motivated selfish reason(s).
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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Democracy: allowing people who don't have a single clue about running a small/medium business vote on small/medium business owners behalf for their own uninformed/politically-motivated selfish reason(s).

    $#@! those globalist shills (those small/medium businesses).

    Tariffs are good!
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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    Wait I thought that it's the foreigners that pay the tariffs
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    Pinochet is the model
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    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
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    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Wait I thought that it's the foreigners that pay the tariffs

    Keep up. That happens AFTER we invade their countries and take their oil (and other resources).

    Oh, and MOAR tariffs!!!!!111
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul



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    Globalist propaganda.


    Free Trade destroyed America's small and medium businesses to the benefit of international corporations.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Because NBC is such a reliable anti-globalist propaganda outfit?
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Globalist propaganda.


    Free Trade destroyed America's small and medium businesses to the benefit of international corporations.

    I got this one man. Go share your “wisdom” in another thread.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Globalist propaganda.


    Free Trade destroyed America's small and medium businesses to the benefit of international corporations.
    Vivek explained this very eloquently in a campus debate with Charlie Kirk recently. They were speaking to a libertarian who was referencing Austrian economics. If I can find it I’ll link it.
    No - No - No - No
    2016

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    Quote Originally Posted by asurfaholic View Post
    What else can small business owners not afford? 4 more years of Biden/harris policies. I’ll take some cost increase if I know that the tariffs are being used to advance America first. Trump uses tariffs as a tool. I support that.
    Tariffs that hurt Americans are by definition not advancing America first.

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    My business is state sales tax exempt and unaffected by tariffs as zero products are imported. I embrace 2652 pages of fed tax code as it allows me to not owe any. Im not overly concerned about wat trump , biden and trump do to commie imports in next four years based on past 6. You guys need to get out more, lol
    Do something Danke

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    I am sure the same businesses would love another 4 years ESG/DEI BS polices..
    Last edited by WarriorLiberty; 11-02-2024 at 10:06 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WarriorLiberty View Post
    I am sure the same businesses would love another 4 years ESG/DEI BS polices..
    Can you please explain the impact of ESG policies on small businesses? Thanks.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Pinochet is the model
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.



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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Can you please explain the impact of ESG policies on small businesses? Thanks.
    They go broke if sales dont have a impact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WarriorLiberty View Post
    They go broke if sales dont have a impact.
    Small businesses go broke if sales don't have an impact on what?
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Pinochet is the model
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

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    Interesting take from a Heretic Foundation economist... according to him China's government paid the US tariffs last time around essentially subsidizing it so that their sellers could keep their prices competitive...





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    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/pass-those-tariff-costs-back-190017675.html
    Last edited by unknown; 11-19-2024 at 04:22 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post



    H.L. Mencken: “Democracy is the view that the people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    My business is state sales tax exempt and unaffected by tariffs as zero products are imported. I embrace 2652 pages of fed tax code as it allows me to not owe any. Im not overly concerned about wat trump , biden and trump do to commie imports in next four years based on past 6. You guys need to get out more, lol
    "I'm standing in the shallow end of the pool. So when they take water out of the deep end of the pool it has no effect on me."
    There is nothing to fear from globalism, free trade and a single worldwide currency, but a globalism where free trade is competitively subsidized by each nation, a continuous trade war is dictated by the WTO, and the single currency is pure fiat, fear is justified. That type of globalism is destined to collapse into economic despair, inflationism and protectionism and managed by resurgent militant nationalism.
    Ron Paul
    Congressional Record (March 13, 2001)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Invisible Man View Post
    "I'm standing in the shallow end of the pool. So when they take water out of the deep end of the pool it has no effect on me."
    Oh it may have an effect on me , I just havnt noticed it as it is too insignificant . Not to say I support tariffs . I also may not be opposed of them if used to replace any income tax , capital gains tax etc. Real problem lies in fact that people think they can be used to replace all of current tax revenue which I dont believe possible. I also have a hard time believing these monies collected would be applied to debt or to reduce taxes because I dont feel congress or senate can be trusted. I think personally for me it is always best if they do nothing as I have no faith fed gov can improve conditions
    Last edited by oyarde; 11-21-2024 at 07:39 AM.
    Do something Danke

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