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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Then some percentage of slaves should have been freed each year with compensation to the owners.
    Yes, of course, clearly as you're designing your plan to extend slavery, it's the owners who need to be compensated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Yes, of course, clearly as you're designing your plan to extend slavery, it's the owners who need to be compensated.
    Yes, unless you want to destroy the economy, country, and many of the slaves the way it was done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vita3 View Post
    RFK jr had some health care position in Trumps first Presidency, didn’t amount to much.

    Paint me as super interested to see what he can do here.
    He did not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vita3 View Post
    Yes he did b I t c h
    He's one of those toys that you wind up and it says the same thing over and over again. You can read to it, show it facts, do whatever you want, but when you wind it up again it just says the same thing again
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Yes, unless you want to destroy the economy, country, and many of the slaves the way it was done.
    I'm just surprised to see you come out in favor of reparations.
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    Pinochet is the model
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    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

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    Regardless of the naysayers, I support RFK's mission. Getting rid of the government intervention in our lives isn't realistic. Reducing the corruption might be realistic and I look forward to his attempts.
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    Ron Paul, RFK Jr...

    Suddenly, Trump giving people a reason to vote.



    https://x.com/RobertKennedyJr/status...12012478398923


    Last edited by unknown; 11-03-2024 at 04:33 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unknown View Post
    Ron Paul, RFK Jr...

    Suddenly, Trump giving people a reason to vote.



    https://x.com/RobertKennedyJr/status...12012478398923


    If we get there, I hope they do more than "advise". It should be criminalized.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowball View Post
    If we get there, I hope they do more than "advise". It should be criminalized.
    Yes!! Send them all to prison!!!!!

    (Or just, remove their funding, but that's not nearly as fun)
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    Let's get her done.


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    Quote Originally Posted by unknown View Post
    RFK Jr running roughshod over the CDC/FDA/NIH may be the highlight of a Trump Presidency.
    That is a fact! I really want to see this happen.
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    Right now, we have these agencies. It's reality. The electorate wants them. Since there is an FDA, we might as well put RFK in charge. We have a defense department. It's reality, so might as well have Gabbard in charge.

    If you want that to change, we need to go back to only allowing those who pay taxes to vote. As screwed up as Trump is, he's the best we can get under this system. That's just the way things are. Trump is an 80s Democrat, which IMO is better than the direction that both parties are heading. I'd gladly go back to the 80s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    Right now, we have these agencies. It's reality. The electorate wants them. Since there is an FDA, we might as well put RFK in charge. We have a defense department. It's reality, so might as well have Gabbard in charge.

    If you want that to change, we need to go back to only allowing those who pay taxes to vote. As screwed up as Trump is, he's the best we can get under this system. That's just the way things are. Trump is an 80s Democrat, which IMO is better than the direction that both parties are heading. I'd gladly go back to the 80s.
    I agree. The overwhelming majority of the voters can't fathom a civilization without government attempting to solve every problem we have. We have to deal with the reality and do our best to guide it in a better direction. To do this we need allies.

    Back in 2007 I saw other Republicans, both voters and politicians, as either good guys that were with us or bad guys that opposed us. These days I view people more on a spectrum of alliance.

    Ron Paul is a 10 out of 10. So is Massie.

    Matt Gaetz is probably 8.

    Lindsey Graham is around 2 or 3.

    AOC is 0.

    I don't need to agree with someone like Gaetz 100% to work with them to advance the cause of liberty.

    I don't have to agree with Dennis Kucinich on taxes to reduce needless wars.

    I don't have to agree with RFK on climate change to work together to make the FDA less corrupt. I do believe RFK is serious about cleaning up the FDA, CDC etc and that alone would be a win.

    I am a veteran and like Tulsi Gabbard, I want to see veterans treated well by this federal government. I think she is a serious person with integrity. Giving her a role to improve things would be a win.

    I don't know what will happen over the rest of my life, but doing our best to move it in the right direction of less government is a worthwhile goal in my opinion!
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    "An idea whose time has come cannot be stopped by any army or any government" - Ron Paul.

    "To learn who rules over you simply find out who you arent allowed to criticize."

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    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    That is a fact! I really want to see this happen.
    Not to mention, just a few months ago, RFK Jr said publicly that he fully believed that the CIA played a major role in the murder of his uncle, a sitting US President.

    Typically, people with these beliefs are never allowed near the White House.

    As of now, RFK Jr has a seat next to the President-Elect...
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    Quote Originally Posted by unknown View Post
    Not to mention, just a few months ago, RFK Jr said publicly that he fully believed that the CIA played a major role in the murder of his uncle, a sitting US President.

    Typically, people with these beliefs are never allowed near the White House.

    As of now, RFK Jr has a seat next to the President-Elect...
    I am mostly a "believe it when I see it" guy, but right now I am cautiously optimistic. I think we have a real chance that we will see significant changes. How far will RFK be able to go in cleaning things up? Only time will tell. How much will Elon be allowed to trim up the bureaucracy? We will have to wait and see.

    I think the Democrats actually shot themselves in the foot here. If they had just played nice with Trump, there probably wouldn't have been many drastic changes. Trump isn't an anti-system guy like most of us here are. He probably can't imagine a world without the Federal Reserve. Now the urgency to make big changes is sky high. Things are going to get very interesting now.
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    "An idea whose time has come cannot be stopped by any army or any government" - Ron Paul.

    "To learn who rules over you simply find out who you arent allowed to criticize."

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    Quote Originally Posted by unknown View Post
    Trump says otherwise, so do RFK and Musk.

    Lutnik can shut his trap.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Trump campaign quietly distances itself from RFK Jr after new vaccine safety comments
    Republicans concerned former independent candidate would struggle to make it through security clearance for top government role
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/polit...cines/#comment
    [archive: https://archive.ph/HdU3D]
    {Benedict Smith | 07 November 2024}

    Donald Trump’s team appeared to be quietly distancing itself from Robert F Kennedy Jr in the immediate aftermath of the election amid speculation that the former presidential candidate could be handed control of US public health agencies.

    Advisers to the president-elect questioned whether Mr Kennedy, a vaccine sceptic who has also been the subject of a series of bizarre stories involving animals, would make it through a security check for a cabinet position.

    It raises questions about what role, if any, Mr Kennedy would be given in the Trump administration, as the Republican’s transition team sets about filling thousands of federal posts for his return to the White House.

    Mr Kennedy had previously said that Mr Trump had “promised” him control of the Department of Health and Human Services and public health agencies like the Food and Drug Administration (FDA).

    However, there is disquiet in the Trump team about media attention on the former independent candidate after he was pressed in a post-election interview with NBC about his vaccine scepticism.

    Mr Kennedy said that he would seek to fix the “huge deficits” in vaccine safety but clarified: “We’re not going to take vaccines away from anybody.”

    According to CNN, a source close to Mr Trump said: “That is not what we want people focused on today.”

    Mr Kennedy, son of the late attorney general Bobby Kennedy and nephew of president John F Kennedy, has also said he plans to remove fluoride from drinking water.

    The claim prompted criticism from public health experts, who argued it would undo one of the great public health achievements of the 20th century.

    Mr Trump’s camp is now questioning whether Mr Kennedy could get confirmed for a cabinet-level position by the Senate, obtain security clearance, or even want to go through those processes.

    “If you dump a bear in Central Park and think you’re above the law, you don’t want to have to go through that gauntlet of political correctness,” a former Trump official told CNN.

    In August, Mr Kennedy admitted that he had found a dead bear cub and dumped it in Central Park in New York in 2014, leaving a bicycle at the scene to make it look like an accident.

    He thought locals, who have been baffled by the mystery for a decade, would find it “amusing”.

    Mr Kennedy has also been accused of eating the barbecued remains of a dog in Korea – a claim he denied – and sawing the head off a dead whale to strap it to the roof of his car.

    Despite attempts by his team to downplay Mr Kennedy’s prominence, Mr Trump singled out his rival-turned-supporter for praise in his victory speech.

    “RFK Jr came in and he’s going to help make America healthy again,” he told supporters in Florida on Tuesday night. “He’s a great guy and he really wants to do some things and we’re gonna let him go do it

    If handed control of the public health agencies by Mr Trump, Mr Kennedy said on Wednesday he planned to clear out “entire departments”.

    “In some categories, their entire departments, like the nutrition department in the FDA, they have to go. They’re not doing their job. They’re not protecting our kids,” he told MSNBC.

    “Why do we have Froot Loops in this country that have 18 or 19 ingredients, and you go to Canada, and it’s got two or three?”

    He added that he could not eliminate public health agencies altogether without congressional approval, but would seek to root out “corruption” in those bodies.

    [... see this post[ re: other cabinet/admin. positions ...]
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 11-08-2024 at 07:16 AM.

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    Looks like he's out but the memes live on.


    "An idea whose time has come cannot be stopped by any army or any government" - Ron Paul.

    "To learn who rules over you simply find out who you arent allowed to criticize."

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    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

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    See, this is why we HATE the corporate press...

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Trump campaign quietly distances itself from RFK Jr after new vaccine safety comments
    Republicans concerned former independent candidate would struggle to make it through security clearance for top government role
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/polit...cines/#comment
    [archive: https://archive.ph/HdU3D]
    {Benedict Smith | 07 November 2024}

    Donald Trump’s team appeared to be quietly distancing itself from Robert F Kennedy Jr in the immediate aftermath of the election amid speculation that the former presidential candidate could be handed control of US public health agencies.

    Advisers to the president-elect questioned whether Mr Kennedy, a vaccine sceptic who has also been the subject of a series of bizarre stories involving animals, would make it through a security check for a cabinet position.

    It raises questions about what role, if any, Mr Kennedy would be given in the Trump administration, as the Republican’s transition team sets about filling thousands of federal posts for his return to the White House.

    Mr Kennedy had previously said that Mr Trump had “promised” him control of the Department of Health and Human Services and public health agencies like the Food and Drug Administration (FDA).

    However, there is disquiet in the Trump team about media attention on the former independent candidate after he was pressed in a post-election interview with NBC about his vaccine scepticism.

    Mr Kennedy said that he would seek to fix the “huge deficits” in vaccine safety but clarified: “We’re not going to take vaccines away from anybody.”

    According to CNN, a source close to Mr Trump said: “That is not what we want people focused on today.”

    Mr Kennedy, son of the late attorney general Bobby Kennedy and nephew of president John F Kennedy, has also said he plans to remove fluoride from drinking water.

    The claim prompted criticism from public health experts, who argued it would undo one of the great public health achievements of the 20th century.

    Mr Trump’s camp is now questioning whether Mr Kennedy could get confirmed for a cabinet-level position by the Senate, obtain security clearance, or even want to go through those processes.

    “If you dump a bear in Central Park and think you’re above the law, you don’t want to have to go through that gauntlet of political correctness,” a former Trump official told CNN.

    In August, Mr Kennedy admitted that he had found a dead bear cub and dumped it in Central Park in New York in 2014, leaving a bicycle at the scene to make it look like an accident.

    He thought locals, who have been baffled by the mystery for a decade, would find it “amusing”.

    Mr Kennedy has also been accused of eating the barbecued remains of a dog in Korea – a claim he denied – and sawing the head off a dead whale to strap it to the roof of his car.
    Despite attempts by his team to downplay Mr Kennedy’s prominence, Mr Trump singled out his rival-turned-supporter for praise in his victory speech.

    “RFK Jr came in and he’s going to help make America healthy again,” he told supporters in Florida on Tuesday night. “He’s a great guy and he really wants to do some things and we’re gonna let him go do it

    If handed control of the public health agencies by Mr Trump, Mr Kennedy said on Wednesday he planned to clear out “entire departments”.

    “In some categories, their entire departments, like the nutrition department in the FDA, they have to go. They’re not doing their job. They’re not protecting our kids,” he told MSNBC.

    “Why do we have Froot Loops in this country that have 18 or 19 ingredients, and you go to Canada, and it’s got two or three?”

    He added that he could not eliminate public health agencies altogether without congressional approval, but would seek to root out “corruption” in those bodies.

    [... see this post[ re: other cabinet/admin. positions ...]
    This may be accurate, but we'd have ZERO way to tell from these anonymous sources. In fact, the whole article seems like a ruse to sow discord in the transition team.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    See, this is why we HATE the corporate press...

    This may be accurate, but we'd have ZERO way to tell from these anonymous sources. In fact, the whole article seems like a ruse to sow discord in the transition team.
    I particularly appreciated their inclusion of the highly relevant dead-bear-cub and barbecued-dog angles of the issue.



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    Quote Originally Posted by unknown View Post
    Muahahahaha


    Whether that's true or not, BlackRock and others have admitted that with crypto currency and full surveillance, they do not need or want unnecessary government employees - only a handful of pre-selected and technocrats will control everything.

    It's the policies, not the number of employees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Whether that's true or not, BlackRock and others have admitted that with crypto currency and full surveillance, they do not need or want unnecessary government employees - only a handful of pre-selected and technocrats will control everything.

    It's the policies, not the number of employees.
    You must be fun at parties...
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Whether that's true or not, BlackRock and others have admitted that with crypto currency and full surveillance, they do not need or want unnecessary government employees - only a handful of pre-selected and technocrats will control everything.

    It's the policies, not the number of employees.
    They won't get any of it.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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