[DOGE] What if Elon Musk is put in charge of government efficiency?

[Anti Federalist]

JFC, some of you people are a real hoot.

Give a "libertarian" the world on a silver platter and they'd bitch that the platter was not made of gold.

On one side of this forum, I've got a guy bitching at a few of us that were raising funds and supplies for NC hurricane victims because stoicism or atomized anarchy or he just gets rubbed the wrong way by appeals for help, dictated that, i suppose, those folks should have been left to $#@! off and die, instead of being assisted by non governmental efforts by their fellow citizens.

And on this side, we've got people bitching that a man who spent 44 BILLION of his own money so that at least ONE major "social media" platform had a semblance of free speech, who is going to be appointed to a position to reduce the size and scope of government, and is ready willing and able to bring Ron Paul himself onto the team to assist and give input and work with him towards that goal, at almost 90 years of age.

And Ron is willing to do it.

And holy $#@!, that won't do either, some people are going to piss and moan about that as well.

If you are not ready to start resisting in a meaningful way, and nobody seems to have to the stones for that, myself included, then this is the best you're going to get.

So either make an effort to make this a reality, or shut the $#@! up.

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

JFC, some of you people are a real hoot.

Give a "libertarian" the world on a silver platter and they'd bitch that the platter was not made of gold.

On one side of this forum, I've got a guy bitching at a few of us that were raising funds and supplies for NC hurricane victims because stoicism or atomized anarchy or he just gets rubbed the wrong way by appeals for help, dictated that, i suppose, those folks should have been left to $#@! off and die, instead of being assisted by non governmental efforts by their fellow citizens.

And on this side, we've got people bitching that a man who spent 44 BILLION of his own money so that at least ONE major "social media" platform had a semblance of free speech, who is going to be appointed to a position to reduce the size and scope of government, and is ready willing and able to bring Ron Paul himself onto the team to assist and give input and work with him towards that goal, at almost 90 years of age.

And Ron is willing to do it.

And holy $#@!, that won't do either, some people are going to piss and moan about that as well.

If you are not ready to start resisting in a meaningful way, and nobody seems to have to the stones for that, myself included, then this is the best you're going to get.

So either make an effort to make this a reality, or shut the $#@! up.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Anti Federalist again.

[TheCount]

And on this side, we've got people bitching that a man who spent 44 BILLION of his own money so that at least ONE major "social media" platform had a semblance of free speech, who is going to be appointed to a position to reduce the size and scope of government, and is ready willing and able to bring Ron Paul himself onto the team to assist and give input and work with him towards that goal, at almost 90 years of age.

You should stop being so gullible

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

You should stop being so gullible

You would be funny if you were funny.

[asurfaholic]

JFC, some of you people are a real hoot.

Give a "libertarian" the world on a silver platter and they'd bitch that the platter was not made of gold.

On one side of this forum, I've got a guy bitching at a few of us that were raising funds and supplies for NC hurricane victims because stoicism or atomized anarchy or he just gets rubbed the wrong way by appeals for help, dictated that, i suppose, those folks should have been left to $#@! off and die, instead of being assisted by non governmental efforts by their fellow citizens.

And on this side, we've got people bitching that a man who spent 44 BILLION of his own money so that at least ONE major "social media" platform had a semblance of free speech, who is going to be appointed to a position to reduce the size and scope of government, and is ready willing and able to bring Ron Paul himself onto the team to assist and give input and work with him towards that goal, at almost 90 years of age.

And Ron is willing to do it.

And holy $#@!, that won't do either, some people are going to piss and moan about that as well.

If you are not ready to start resisting in a meaningful way, and nobody seems to have to the stones for that, myself included, then this is the best you're going to get.

So either make an effort to make this a reality, or shut the $#@! up.

Amen!

[Matt Collins]

Let's be honest, Ron is too old. It should be Rand. Rand has a yearly festivus complaining about government waste. Yet Rand is MIA. Rand will never be president and he doesn't even show any interest in working with the Trump admin.

I'm not sure what is going on here. Rand is miffed about Trump's tariffs and spending habits, but I suspect there is something more going on behind the scenes. I don't have any insider information and frankly don't care that bad to find out, but yeah I too am a bit surprised here. Even Thomas endorsed Trump but AFAIK Rand has yet to do so.

[Anti Federalist]

https://x.com/AntiFeder1776/status/1852703746611933238

[Valli6]

I'm not sure what is going on here. Rand is miffed about Trump's tariffs and spending habits, but I suspect there is something more going on behind the scenes. I don't have any insider information and frankly don't care that bad to find out, but yeah I too am a bit surprised here. Even Thomas endorsed Trump but AFAIK Rand has yet to do so.

I also feel there's more going on behind the scenes - that Rand will be playing some role later. The media and neocons have always despised Rand anyway, so it's more efficient that he continue his work exposing Fauci/covid, while maintaining a low profile in relation to Trump's campaign. The media would only use him and his dad as a way to further tar Trump over his "extreme" beliefs.

[PAF]

JFC, some of you people are a real hoot.

Give a "libertarian" the world on a silver platter and they'd bitch that the platter was not made of gold.

On one side of this forum, I've got a guy bitching at a few of us that were raising funds and supplies for NC hurricane victims because stoicism or atomized anarchy or he just gets rubbed the wrong way by appeals for help, dictated that, i suppose, those folks should have been left to $#@! off and die, instead of being assisted by non governmental efforts by their fellow citizens.

And on this side, we've got people bitching that a man who spent 44 BILLION of his own money so that at least ONE major "social media" platform had a semblance of free speech, who is going to be appointed to a position to reduce the size and scope of government, and is ready willing and able to bring Ron Paul himself onto the team to assist and give input and work with him towards that goal, at almost 90 years of age.

And Ron is willing to do it.

And holy $#@!, that won't do either, some people are going to piss and moan about that as well.

If you are not ready to start resisting in a meaningful way, and nobody seems to have to the stones for that, myself included, then this is the best you're going to get.

So either make an effort to make this a reality, or shut the $#@! up.

Except that nothing is in writing, except for his Agenda47, which is riddled with "bait and switch" and police-state authoritarian agendas which just about everybody ignores.

I have a bad gut feeling about this. Every republican presidency has brought more authoritarianism upon us, and Trump himself has stated and written that he wants to provide record funding for the MIC, including but not limited to Militarizing LEO with immunity. Tax/fine/sue private donors for a nationalized university, more bait and switch government overreach for his homeschooling initiative spells disaster, which you simply ignore, and then criticize others when somebody brings it out in the open.

Also, Ron himself stated that he will not take a position in the administration, though he is willing to speak with anybody who wants to listen. This does not equate to "give a "libertarian" the world on a silver platter".

You have been warned.

[TheTexan]

You would be funny if you were funny.

Now that's ^ funny

[TheTexan]

I have a bad gut feeling about this.

If you're right, and we try, we wasted a little effort. OK fine.

And by "we", I mean those actually putting forth the effort (which does not include me, because I'm a lazy $#@!).

[nobody's_hero]

You should stop being so gullible

True or false?:

There's more free speech on twitter now that Elon owns it.

If you don't believe me, go check Glenn Greenwald's comments section on X.

Liberals are absolutely bashing him because they enjoy free speech. But when they had the power, they did everything they could to stifle it.

I'm not sure what motives Elon has, but I took his interview with Peterson at face value. I think Elon genuinely laments the sterilization of his son, and this is one way to get back at the deranged woke left.

[TheCount]

True or false?:

There's more free speech on twitter now that Elon owns it.

Post a link to the Trump campaign leak and find out.

If you don't believe me, go check Glenn Greenwald's comments section on X.

How is the comment section different than it was before Elon bought Twitter?

[Matt Collins]

I think what's getting everyone all excited is that Ron Paul is finally, after all of these years, getting some credibility here from some people in actual positions of power that can do something to make changes.

This is of course a good thing because it's a step forward for sure, but one should proceed with cautious optimism and here is why...

Trump has never shown any indication he wants to cut back spending. And his plan to deal with the debt is to "grow" our way out of it which doesn't work mathematically.

Also it's campaign season so there is a lot of 'irrational exuberance' circulating especially since it appears the Democrats will lose. In short, it's a lot of hot air, granted it's really good hot air, but that's all it is at this time. Trump doesn't have a good track record on spending and there is no real indication that will change. I hope he does, but I wouldn't bet a dollar on it.

And, even if Trump and Elon want to take a metaphorical machete to start downsizing the federal government, they are not dictators, and they can only do so much from the Executive branch. Congress has to go along with a lot of it which they of course won't do. This is probably what Trump is mostly referring to when he said he wants outgrow the debt, reducing regulation or just not enforcing it, and let the economy go wild. This will be good but will likely also cause more inflation.

A better question to ask is whether or not Trump and the next Majority Leader, and the next Speaker, will support a full audit of the Federal Reserve?

[Anti Federalist]

A better question to ask is whether or not Trump and the next Majority Leader, and the next Speaker, will support a full audit of the Federal Reserve?

Maybe if the next Speaker is Massie and the next Senate Majority Leader is Rand.

I agree, I have nothing but skeptical, extremely cautious optimism.

But that's better than hopeless gloom with no reasonable possibility of stopping any of this.

[Matt Collins]

Maybe if the next Speaker is Massie and the next Senate Majority Leader is Rand.

I agree, I have nothing but skeptical, extremely cautious optimism.

But that's better than hopeless gloom with no reasonable possibility of stopping any of this.

Rand and Thomas will never be in a position of leadership because it won't be allowed to happen. What it would take to get there would be things they would be unwilling to do.

That being said, not even Ron Paul could change the federal government's direction at this point. It's a lost cause. Trump & Co will take us off the cliff at like 80 mph (maybe) while Kamala & CO will take us off the cliff at 200 mph. The federal government's currency will collapse or become useless at some point, it's just a matter of when and whether it will be a long slow decline into irrelevance, or a quick possibly violent change.

[PAF]

Rand and Thomas will never be in a position of leadership because it won't be allowed to happen. What it would take to get there would be things they would be unwilling to do.

That being said, not even Ron Paul could change the federal government's direction at this point. It's a lost cause. Trump & Co will take us off the cliff at like 80 200 mph (maybe) while Kamala & CO will take us off the cliff at 200 80 mph. The federal government's currency will collapse or become useless at some point, it's just a matter of when and whether it will be a long slow decline into irrelevance, or a quick possibly violent change.

FIFY, based upon recent economic analysis.

[TheTexan]

That being said, not even Ron Paul could change the federal government's direction at this point. It's a lost cause.

It's for sure a lost cause. But when that ship goes sinking, and the captain escapes with his secret submarine, who do you want to be in charge of the life boats?

[PAF]

It's for sure a lost cause. But when that ship goes sinking, and the captain escapes with his secret submarine, who do you want to be in charge of the life boats?

It doesn't matter to me either way. I'll take one by whatever means necessary. It is every man for himself [or woman]. If she gives extra favors and not fat, I just might invite her along for the ride

[TheTexan]

It doesn't matter to me either way. I'll take one by whatever means necessary. It is every man for himself [or woman]. If she gives extra favors and not fat, I just might invite her along for the ride

Fat chicks do tend to take up a lot of space in a tiny life boat, so probably good call

But then again it might make her more appreciative so shrug

[PAF]

Fat chicks do tend to take up a lot of space in a tiny life boat, so probably good call

But then again it might make her more appreciative so shrug

Not only that, but she also might help the life boat float???

[PAF]

Fat chicks do tend to take up a lot of space in a tiny life boat, so probably good call

But then again it might make her more appreciative so shrug

I guess if all the life boats are taken one can always ride her

[nobody's_hero]

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Post a link to the Trump campaign leak and find out.

Honestly not sure what you're talking about but I'm about 99.9% sure it's a nothing-burger.

How is the comment section different than it was before Elon bought Twitter?

For liberals, it probably hasn't changed at all. For conservatives, it's been a world of difference.

Unless you're going to sit there and act like we didn't just go through four straight years of collaboration between the Biden administration and "private" tech ventures to censor and shadow ban opposition (of which Twitter was involved). In which case, no one should take you seriously.

[Matt4Liberty]

JFC, some of you people are a real hoot.

Give a "libertarian" the world on a silver platter and they'd bitch that the platter was not made of gold.

On one side of this forum, I've got a guy bitching at a few of us that were raising funds and supplies for NC hurricane victims because stoicism or atomized anarchy or he just gets rubbed the wrong way by appeals for help, dictated that, i suppose, those folks should have been left to $#@! off and die, instead of being assisted by non governmental efforts by their fellow citizens.

And on this side, we've got people bitching that a man who spent 44 BILLION of his own money so that at least ONE major "social media" platform had a semblance of free speech, who is going to be appointed to a position to reduce the size and scope of government, and is ready willing and able to bring Ron Paul himself onto the team to assist and give input and work with him towards that goal, at almost 90 years of age.

And Ron is willing to do it.

And holy $#@!, that won't do either, some people are going to piss and moan about that as well.

If you are not ready to start resisting in a meaningful way, and nobody seems to have to the stones for that, myself included, then this is the best you're going to get.

So either make an effort to make this a reality, or shut the $#@! up.

Amen

[Anti Federalist]

https://x.com/RonPaul/status/1853557351892341194

[RJB]

I'll hand it to Trump. I never thought I would see this type of stuff discussed on a national stage. This was all fringe candidate stuff.

[TheCount]

By definition, expanding the size of the cabinet is certainly the opposite of reducing the size of the cabinet - but it is not necessarily the opposite of reducing the size of the government in general. For example, if you increase the size of the cabinet by one department, but that department reduces the size of each of the other departments by half, then that might very well result in a net reduction in the size of the government. I am extremely skeptical that it would happen in actual practice, but it is at least theoretically possible to reduce the overall size of government by increasing some (new ?) part of it.

How'd that work out during his first term? We achieved small government, right? Also efficiency.

Care to make a wager on whether the total number of federal employees - including the military - goes up or down over the next four years?

[Occam's Banana]

How'd that work out during his first term?

It didn't work out.

It wasn't even tried.

We achieved small government, right?

No.

Also efficiency.

Not that, either.

Care to make a wager on whether the total number of federal employees - including the military - goes up or down over the next four years?

I am willing to wager that it goes up.

What makes you imagine I might wager otherwise?

Should I have used shorter words when I said things like "I am extremely skeptical that it would happen [...]"?

Or should I have said it more than three times?

I am extremely skeptical that it would happen [...]

That is one of the reasons I am skeptical. [...]

And here's another reason I am skeptical: [...]

[Mordan]

Rand and Thomas will never be in a position of leadership because it won't be allowed to happen. What it would take to get there would be things they would be unwilling to do.

That being said, not even Ron Paul could change the federal government's direction at this point. It's a lost cause. Trump & Co will take us off the cliff at like 80 mph (maybe) while Kamala & CO will take us off the cliff at 200 mph. The federal government's currency will collapse or become useless at some point, it's just a matter of when and whether it will be a long slow decline into irrelevance, or a quick possibly violent change.

Trump can save the USA by starting the Bitcoin Asset Reserve.

a New world currency system that will force fiscal responsibility upon all governments.

JD Vance and some advisors understand that concept.

As some poster said above. look at it from the concept of a life boat or secret submarine.

[PAF]

Trump can save the USA by starting the Bitcoin Asset Reserve.

a New world currency system that will force fiscal responsibility upon all governments.

JD Vance and some advisors understand that concept.

The World Economic Forum [WEF] and The United Nations [U.N.] totally understand and agree too, in order to implement their Technocratic Society.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...d-Whitney-Webb