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    Kamala Harris struggles with her teleprompter and with black men

    @Anti Federalist, you should watch this.



    This is more context on the "Magic Johnson is asking black men to support Kamala Harris" video. At that same rally the teleprompter went off (apparently) and Kamala looked as lost as Joe Biden. But more importantly this vlogger points out what I've been saying. Kamala, as a black democrat, shouldn't need someone from the black community to try to shame black men into voting for her. But note that Kamala hasn't said much of anything about the shooting of Sonya Massie as this same vlogger pointed out. Yes there was a brief mention of her, but not the steady drumb beat. I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so. Note that at the DNC and in the debates Biden and Harris have been touting all of the money they've been giving the police as opposed to the "defund the police" argument they were saying back in 2020. And Sonya Massie happened on their watch. The last thing they want to do is to highlight the fact that they have't solved the problems they said they would solve. Really, what Magic Johnson said about Trump making promises that were not kept is actually true of Biden / Harris.
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    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.



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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Anti Federalist, you should watch this.
    I'll take a look at it.

    But again, my point is not what Johnson was saying, but the fact that Johnson can, as any other ethnic spokesman can, speak candidly and unashamedly to his people, and his people alone and advocate for candidates or policies that benefit his people and his people alone.

    European whites are the only ethnic or racial group in America that is not allowed that right, or at least not allowed without being showered with abuse and insults and dismissal.

    That said, I wonder what their internal polling is showing them?

    The last poll with crosstabs I looked at had blacks voting Harris 83 to 17, which is about where it's been all along.

    I wonder if they are seeing a bigger shift.
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I'll take a look at it.

    But again, my point is not what Johnson was saying, but the fact that Johnson can, as any other ethnic spokesman can, speak candidly and unashamedly to his people, and his people alone and advocate for candidates or policies that benefit his people and his people alone.

    European whites are the only ethnic or racial group in America that is not allowed that right, or at least not allowed without being showered with abuse and insults and dismissal.

    That said, I wonder what their internal polling is showing them?

    The last poll with crosstabs I looked at had blacks voting Harris 83 to 17, which is about where it's been all along.

    I wonder if they are seeing a bigger shift.
    Harris is getting 90+ percent with black women. That should tell you everything you need to know. It was 87 to 12 for Biden. There is a shift and the shift has been mostly black men. As far as a European doing what Magic Johnson did, as I pointed out to you, you don't have a positive agenda for white people. And that's generally true of other people who make the "Why can't anybody advocate for white people" argument. That said, white people get benefits from the government all the time. Whether you like it or not, your demographics are being helped by 270,000 Europeans being brought in under a special program that isn't being offered to any other group. Biden deported more Haitians than did Trump. And now Biden has announced that he will not renew TPS that's helping Haitians, Cubans, Venuezelans and Nicaraguans.

    See: https://www.boundless.com/blog/biden...our-countries/

    So you need someone to advocate for white because and say what exactly?
    Last edited by jmdrake; 10-08-2024 at 09:56 AM.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Phillip Scott points out that folks who support Trump do it to spite Kamala and folks who support Kamala do it to spite Trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    But again, my point is not what Johnson was saying, but the fact that Johnson can, as any other ethnic spokesman can, speak candidly and unashamedly to his people, and his people alone and advocate for candidates or policies that benefit his people and his people alone.

    European whites are the only ethnic or racial group in America that is not allowed that right
    "European whites" are not an ethnicity. They are a diverse collection of different ethnicities. When Polish, Irish, Italians, Greeks, Estonians, or people from any other European ethnic group identify as, take pride in, and seek the betterment of that group they belong to, I generally don't see anybody having a problem with that.

    African Americans who are the descendants of American slaves are a distinct ethnic group with a shared history of that same sort.

    But grouping all European whites together, regardless of their ethnicities and backgrounds, calling this group a race, and then doing the things you said for that whole race, is not the same thing.
    There is nothing to fear from globalism, free trade and a single worldwide currency, but a globalism where free trade is competitively subsidized by each nation, a continuous trade war is dictated by the WTO, and the single currency is pure fiat, fear is justified. That type of globalism is destined to collapse into economic despair, inflationism and protectionism and managed by resurgent militant nationalism.
    Ron Paul
    Congressional Record (March 13, 2001)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Biden deported more Haitians than did Trump. And now Biden has announced that he will not renew TPS that's helping Haitians, Cubans, Venuezelans and Nicaraguans.

    Wait. You mean Biden/Harris did that without implementing Tax-Paid Agenda47 "Stop and Frisk" and Federalized/Militarized Local LEO with Immunity??????????
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    Quote Originally Posted by Invisible Man View Post
    African Americans who are the descendants of American slaves are a distinct ethnic group with a shared history of that same sort.
    The only thing they have in common is slavery. "African" is not an ethnicity. In this context, African implies sub-Saharan, which is comprised of many ethnic groups.
    All modern revolutions have ended in a reinforcement of the power of the State.
    -Albert Camus

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    Quote Originally Posted by otherone View Post
    The only thing they have in common is slavery.
    Oh, is that all?

    Quote Originally Posted by otherone View Post
    African" is not an ethnicity. In this context, African implies sub-Saharan, which is comprised of many ethnic groups.
    Their ancestors may have belonged to many different ethnicities. So did the ancestors of the Irish, the Polish, the Italians, the Estonians, and every other ethnic group.

    But no, that is not what this context is. This context is about the currently existing ethnic group of African Americans.
    There is nothing to fear from globalism, free trade and a single worldwide currency, but a globalism where free trade is competitively subsidized by each nation, a continuous trade war is dictated by the WTO, and the single currency is pure fiat, fear is justified. That type of globalism is destined to collapse into economic despair, inflationism and protectionism and managed by resurgent militant nationalism.
    Ron Paul
    Congressional Record (March 13, 2001)



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    Quote Originally Posted by otherone View Post
    The only thing they have in common is slavery. "African" is not an ethnicity. In this context, African implies sub-Saharan, which is comprised of many ethnic groups.
    Hogwash. @Invisble Man hit the nail on the head. If a black person tells another black person "Where can I find a soul food resturant" we all know what that means. If we say "What HBCUs are in this state" we all know what that means. I remember having a similar conversation with an ignorant white co-worker back in the 1990s. He interjected himself into conversations I was having with a black co-worker on different occassions about our favorite black resturants or what was being played on the black radio station (there was only one in the city at that time and it was owned by a black man) or whatever, and he did his little white supremacist "I would be racist to talk about a white resturant or a white radio station" song and dance. I corrected him by pointing out how he bragged about being "full blood German" and that he would only marry a "full blood German" even though he was dating a "mixed ethnicity" white woman. He was like "Germany is a country and black is not." My response? "We would know what our country is if your people hadn't taken that away from us." Of course then he was ready to distance himself from white people in general. Regardless, this is the point. We, Africans in America, have created our own culture and our own spaces in response to being systematically blocked from yours! And white people try to flip the script by calling our legitimate response to white racism somehow "racist." Do you know there was a black man who was admitted to Harvard back in 1850s? Harvard was pressured by white southern students to expel him. There was an intergrated university in freaking Kentucky in the 1800s! The Kentucky state legislature intervened and destroyed that. We build our own towns, our own newspapers, our own hospitals, our own universities, our own churches and denominations, or own Greek organizations and our own culture simply because we were shut out of yours. And now you lie and pretend that all we have in common is slavery? No. What we have in common is a shared reality as beautiful covering over a painful existence which is no different from the pearl the oysters form around debris that they have to swallow to consume food. And frankly I don't care if you understand it or @Anti Federalist understands or Candace Owens understands it (she seems to be coming around) or whatever. When white people stop eating at Italian resturants or going to Oktoberfest or looking for Chinatown then come and talk to me.
    Last edited by jmdrake; 10-09-2024 at 08:00 AM.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Invisible Man View Post
    Oh, is that all?



    Their ancestors may have belonged to many different ethnicities. So did the ancestors of the Irish, the Polish, the Italians, the Estonians, and every other ethnic group.

    But no, that is not what this context is. This context is about the currently existing ethnic group of African Americans.
    I remember seeing this video as a child of the 70s and thinking "That's nice. She mentions every group but mine."



    Great American Melting Pot? They were happy to bring in every European ethnic group to throw into the pot while keeping the Africans relegated to the fire burning to heat the pot.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    I remember seeing this video as a child of the 70s and thinking "That's nice. She mentions every group but mine."



    Great American Melting Pot? They were happy to bring in every European ethnic group to throw into the pot while keeping the Africans relegated to the fire burning to heat the pot.
    I don't remember that one, but I remember a lot of the other videos like that. Interesting that the song started with Russian, but they really only mentioned a handful of nationalities in the song. They also featured someone with a turban, which would presumably indicate Indian.

    And "African" was featured prominently every time they showed the "recipe".
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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    All rational men are opposed to Kamala, no matter what their race or ethnicity.

    The only Democrat/regime media talking point that is sticking right now is " misogynist". Literally have heard 3 completely unrelated women (IRL) use that term in the past few days. It's a term they normally wouldn't use.

    It was one of the few cards they could play, and it works on many women, far more than it works on men.

    "Men evil, men oppressors, women victims". Simple Marxist inspired propaganda.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    I don't remember that one, but I remember a lot of the other videos like that. Interesting that the song started with Russian, but they really only mentioned a handful of nationalities in the song. They also featured someone with a turban, which would presumably indicate Indian.

    And "African" was featured prominently every time they showed the "recipe".
    +rep. I didn't notice that before.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    All rational men are opposed to Kamala, no matter what their race or ethnicity.

    The only Democrat/regime media talking point that is sticking right now is " misogynist". Literally have heard 3 completely unrelated women (IRL) use that term in the past few days. It's a term they normally wouldn't use.

    It was one of the few cards they could play, and it works on many women, far more than it works on men.

    "Men evil, men oppressors, women victims". Simple Marxist inspired propaganda.
    Yeah. I recently had a woman arguing to me that the only reason men don't want to vote for Kamala is because they can't stand the idea of a woman in leadership. But this woman lives in Alabama which has a woman Republican governor. I'm pretty sure just about everyone in Alabama who votes for Trump will also vote (again) for govenor memaw.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    All rational men are opposed to Kamala, no matter what their race or ethnicity.

    The only Democrat/regime media talking point that is sticking right now is " misogynist". Literally have heard 3 completely unrelated women (IRL) use that term in the past few days. It's a term they normally wouldn't use.

    It was one of the few cards they could play, and it works on many women, far more than it works on men.

    "Men evil, men oppressors, women victims". Simple Marxist inspired propaganda.
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Yeah. I recently had a woman arguing to me that the only reason men don't want to vote for Kamala is because they can't stand the idea of a woman in leadership. But this woman lives in Alabama which has a woman Republican governor. I'm pretty sure just about everyone in Alabama who votes for Trump will also vote (again) for govenor memaw.

    https://x.com/sav_says_/status/1844555052377162220


    https://x.com/USAB4L/status/1844849462851911728


    https://x.com/robsmithonline/status/1844763933963419747


    https://x.com/hodgetwins/status/1844774399116730780
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post

    https://x.com/sav_says_/status/1844555052377162220


    https://x.com/USAB4L/status/1844849462851911728


    https://x.com/robsmithonline/status/1844763933963419747


    https://x.com/hodgetwins/status/1844774399116730780
    Double whammy, Rob Smith is not only black, he's gay.



    Here's another black gay man voting for Trump.

    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.



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    https://x.com/BridgetPhetasy/status/1844859234342604919
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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    The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.

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    CLIP from SYSTEM UPDATE #353:

    Nick Cruse: Kamala's Agenda For Black Men Is Another "Insult" From Dems
    https://rumble.com/v5ixpxx-kamalas-a...an-insult.html
    {Glenn Greenwald | 16 October 2024}


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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    "If you don't vote for Kamala, you ain't non-white!"

    CLIP from SYSTEM UPDATE #353:

    The Liberal Attack On Non-White Voters Defying Dems
    https://rumble.com/v5ixpxx-kamalas-a...an-insult.html
    {Glenn Greenwald | 16 October 2024}

    //

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    OUCH! Kamala BOMBS Charlamagne Tha God Interview...

    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  25. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    I remember seeing this video as a child of the 70s and thinking "That's nice. She mentions every group but mine."



    Great American Melting Pot? They were happy to bring in every European ethnic group to throw into the pot while keeping the Africans relegated to the fire burning to heat the pot.
    That's a long gone fantasy.

    The "Melting Pot" assumes a proposition: that all men are created equal in that they all have inherent God given rights, and that the only reason for government to exist is to protect those rights.

    That proposition is smashed, it's as dead as the old white guys who thought it up.

    We're back to square one, every group for itself, tribalism rules and devil take the hindmost.

    Which is how nations and countries have organized themselves for thousands of years.
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

    If America is only an idea, then there is no need for masses of immigrants to come here since they can just create the idea in their own countries. - Random Thought from the Interwebs.

  26. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    @jmdrake

    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

    If America is only an idea, then there is no need for masses of immigrants to come here since they can just create the idea in their own countries. - Random Thought from the Interwebs.

  27. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Wow. I looked up the "Eric Cunningham" cat. He looks like a gay white male. He's got nothing to offer. He's not like 50 Cent's blonde ex girlfriend offer him her a$$ for him not to support Trump.



    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.



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