Atrocity Inc: How Israel Sells The Destruction Of Gaza

[PAF]

Old Lies Behind Israel’s War Live On in Senate Resolution

Ron Paul Institute
by Adam Dick
Oct 7, 2024


We are now a year into the Israel government’s military action devastating the people and infrastructure of Gaza and since expanded into escalating violence against countries including Lebanon and Iran. Yet, even today, United States Senate members are repeating flagrant lies produced in the war’s early days to trick Americans and others around the world into supporting Israel’s war.


On Monday, Republican US Senators introduced a resolution repeating some of these old lies that helped build support among Americans for Israel’s war — that “Hamas terrorists” killed “approximately 1,200 individuals” in their October 7, 2023 attack and that Hamas used “rape as a weapon of war.” Why repeat the lies? To support the resolution’s conclusions, including that the Senate wants to “ensure the forever survival of Israel.” Left unsaid in the resolution is that the way the US government continually acts to purportedly achieve this goal includes shoveling more and more money, weapons, and intelligence to Israel for Israel to use in whatever way it chooses. Indeed, the US government’s commitment seems unfazed no matter Israel’s level of barbarity and no matter how much Israel’s actions cause further geographic expansion of the war.


To the extent American politicians repeating these baseless claims regarding October 7 are doing so because they are ignorant about what happened, they would do well to watch a new documentary — Atrocity Inc. — featuring reporter Max Blumenthal. Blumenthal was there from the beginning calling no dice on the propaganda promoted by Israel and US politicians, along with American media, that has been used to gain public support for Israel’s aggressive actions. The widespread rape allegations are ridiculous fabrications and a significant portion of the death toll is from the willful killing of Israelis by agents of their own government, Blumenthal explains in the documentary. Blumenthal also debunks other outrageous lies, including claims related to the killing of, and even beheading of, babies on October 7.


Senators, and everyone, else can watch the documentary here.



https://ronpaulinstitute.org/old-lie...te-resolution/

https://x.com/TheGrayzoneNews/status...18219404186024

[PAF]

At 22:30 I wonder how much Frank Luntz raked in. The bigger wonder is why he is even still around.

[PAF]

At 41:30 Alex Karp CEO of Palantir Technologies reared his head. He's open about it too.

[PAF]

I know it won't be popular here in this neck of the woods, but I'm going to try to "Follow A Little Bit Of Money":



1. Listen to Alex Karp, CEO of Palantir Technologies at 41:30 in the OP video.


2. Trump's Agenda47 The American Academy:

- by taxing the large endowments of Private universities plagued by antisemitism
- who attacked Israel
- we will take the billions and billions of dollars that we will collect by taxing, fining, and suing excessively large Private university endowments, and we will then use that money to endow
- free of charge
- It will be strictly non-political
- degree credentials that the U.S. Government and all Federal Contractors will henceforth recognize

3. Miriam Adelson, The Pro-Israel Donor With a $100 Million Plan to Elect Trump


4. J.D. Vance, Israel Firster


5. Peter Thiel, a co-founder of Palantir, has spent MILLIONS funding Vance, Donald Trump’s vice presidential running mate.


6. Trump Pledges to Restore Israel Lobby's Power Over Congress


7. Jared Kushner, Trump’s son-in-law, praises ‘very valuable’ potential of Gaza’s ‘waterfront property’


8. Donald Trump Says Israel Should 'Hit' Iran's Nuclear Sites First


9. Remember when candidate George W Bush sounded exactly like Ron Paul about Peace and Prosperity around the world. But then after he didn't.

[vita3]

[QUOTE=PAF;7257890]At 22:30 I wonder how much Frank Luntz raked in. The bigger wonder is why he is even still around.

Because all the networks are running the same bull$#@! controlled programming virtually against the American people

[PAF]

I know it won't be popular here in this neck of the woods, but I'm going to try to "Follow A Little Bit Of Money":



1. Listen to Alex Karp, CEO of Palantir Technologies at 41:30 in the OP video.


2. Trump's Agenda47 The American Academy:

- by taxing the large endowments of Private universities plagued by antisemitism
- who attacked Israel
- we will take the billions and billions of dollars that we will collect by taxing, fining, and suing excessively large Private university endowments, and we will then use that money to endow
- free of charge
- It will be strictly non-political
- degree credentials that the U.S. Government and all Federal Contractors will henceforth recognize

3. Miriam Adelson, The Pro-Israel Donor With a $100 Million Plan to Elect Trump


4. J.D. Vance, Israel Firster


5. Peter Thiel, a co-founder of Palantir, has spent MILLIONS funding Vance, Donald Trump’s vice presidential running mate.


6. Trump Pledges to Restore Israel Lobby's Power Over Congress


7. Jared Kushner, Trump’s son-in-law, praises ‘very valuable’ potential of Gaza’s ‘waterfront property’


8. Donald Trump Says Israel Should 'Hit' Iran's Nuclear Sites First


9. Remember when candidate George W Bush sounded exactly like Ron Paul about Peace and Prosperity around the world. But then after he didn't.

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[Brian4Liberty]

Atrocity Inc: How Israel Sells The Destruction Of Gaza

H/t Daniel McAdams.

[PAF]

That was posted 3 days ago in this thread:

Old Lies Behind Israel’s War Live On in Senate Resolution

[jmdrake]

Much watch tv for @dannno

[dannno]

Much watch tv for @dannno

Blumenthal was on a 2 hour Timcast IRL episode months ago, saw it, along with the 1 hour member's only aftershow. He admitted to many of the Hamas attrocities I speak of, like when Israel would go to bomb a building in Gaza with military equipment, they would flair the building and announce the bombing on loudspeakers so civilians could get out and Hamas would stand outside armed and trap the civilians in the building so they could use the innocent deaths as propaganda to get more funding from Iran.

We know they take the fresh water pipes that were built for them, dig them up, put the fertilizer given to them to grow crops to make rockets to fire at Israel. Then complain they don't have food and water..

I take some of the Oct 7 claims with a grain of salt, what we do know about what they did is enough for me. Shooting up a hippie music festival, taking all the hostages.. I've been to those festivals, like, the exact same kind with the same psytrance music, same "community", I've almost certainly seen some of the DJs that were there at the festival live..

[dannno]

21:54 of the video in the OP.. you could literally say the same thing about Palestinians in Gaza, toward Israel..

Also there is a ton of debunked propaganda from the other side, propaganda is part of war.

Both sides are at war. That is what war looks like. Nobody has given me a good reason to support the Palestinian side in that war.. and I used to support the Palestinian side, I've even been to anti-Israel pro-Palestine protests back in the day. Then I learned about the real history of modern day Israel.

I agree we shouldn't be funding either side, but I'm not going to root for the destruction of Israel by terrorists.

[acptulsa]

I agree we shouldn't be funding either side, but I'm not going to root for the destruction of Israel by terrorists.

No one expects you to take the side opposite from Trump on anything. Not even corruption. We all know you stand ready to abandon any number of beliefs you've held for decades to stand by His side.

[jmdrake]

Blumenthal was on a 2 hour Timcast IRL episode months ago, saw it, along with the 1 hour member's only aftershow. He admitted to many of the Hamas attrocities I speak of, like when Israel would go to bomb a building in Gaza with military equipment, they would flair the building and announce the bombing on loudspeakers so civilians could get out and Hamas would stand outside armed and trap the civilians in the building so they could use the innocent deaths as propaganda to get more funding from Iran.

We know they take the fresh water pipes that were built for them, dig them up, put the fertilizer given to them to grow crops to make rockets to fire at Israel. Then complain they don't have food and water..

I take some of the Oct 7 claims with a grain of salt, what we do know about what they did is enough for me. Shooting up a hippie music festival, taking all the hostages.. I've been to those festivals, like, the exact same kind with the same psytrance music, same "community", I've almost certainly seen some of the DJs that were there at the festival live..

Please provide the Timcast link with Blumenthal. But that doesn't detract from my point that there were clearly a helluva lot more Israeli civilians kiled by the IDF than "2 or 3." And considering that Hamas was created and funded by Israel and at one point the 2nd in command of Hamas was a Mossad spy, the idea that Hamas might also commit attrocoties against Palestinian civilians isn't a shocker. As for converting fertilizer to rocket fuel, I suspect if America was ever occupied, Americans would do the same thing and that would be called patriotic.

[dannno]

As for converting fertilizer to rocket fuel, I suspect if America was ever occupied, Americans would do the same thing and that would be called patriotic.

Why yes, yes it would. Completely different scenario.



Unfortunately cannot link to the after show, it's behind a paywall..

[jmdrake]

Why yes, yes it would. Completely different scenario.

Not really. And I don't believe you truly understand the actual history of the formation of Israel. If you did you would support it's peaceful transformation away from it's current state. Israel itself was created by terrorism.

Unfortunately cannot link to the after show, it's behind a paywall..

Okay. So the part with Blumenthal admitting to Hamas attrocities is behind the paywall?

[dannno]

Okay. So the part with Blumenthal admitting to Hamas attrocities is behind the paywall?

No, he definitely admits to some during the main show.

You seem to forget I used to be pro-Palestine, I remember posting that map with their territory shrinking and shrinking over the years. I used to go to pro-Palestine protests. I would have agreed with your analogy about the US getting occupied. Then I found out it was all bull$#@!, Palestine sucks, they want to kill all the Jews and take back "their land" which is also mostly bull$#@!.

[vita3]

Marijuana & bi polarism

Cannabis use has been stated as a causal risk factor for the occurrence of schizophrenia and other psychotic disorders. There is a dearth of literature stating the association of cannabis with bipolar disorder. This review aimed to find the repercussion of cannabis use on the onset of the first episode of bipolar disorder and the worsening of the symptoms in pre-existing illness. A thorough systematic review of the existing literature was carried out using the PRISMA guidelines. PubMed, Medline, EMBASE, SCOPUS, and Google-scholar databases were searched for studies fitting our study’s inclusion and exclusion criteria. A total of 25 studies were included in the systematic review and out of these 25 studies, five prospective studies met the inclusion criteria for the primary outcome meta-analysis. A total sample of 13,624 individuals was included in these five studies. A fixed effect model was used in the meta-analysis of these five studies and it revealed an association between cannabis and bipolar disorder with an effect size of 2.63 (95% CI: 1.95–3.53) (heterogeneity: chi² = 3.01, df = 3 (P = 0.39); I² = 0%). Our findings propose that cannabis use may precipitate or worsen bipolar disorder. This highlights the importance of the detrimental effect of cannabis use on bipolar disorder and the need to discourage cannabis use in the youth culture. High-quality prospective studies are required to delineate the effect of cannabis use on bipolar disorder.

[Snowball]

Israel celebrates day of atonement for sins (Yom Kippur) by murdering more kids

http://www.antiwar.com/

[jmdrake]

No, he definitely admits to some during the main show.

You seem to forget I used to be pro-Palestine, I remember posting that map with their territory shrinking and shrinking over the years. I used to go to pro-Palestine protests. I would have agreed with your analogy about the US getting occupied. Then I found out it was all bull$#@!, Palestine sucks, they want to kill all the Jews and take back "their land" which is also mostly bull$#@!.

Just because you "discovered" something doesn't make your "discovery" correct. You discout undeniable facts (like Netanyahu had the plans for October 7th a year in advance, and that there were warnings from Israeli, Egyptian and U.S. intelligence right before the attacks happened) and go with right wing (Trumpist) talking points. I'm not impressed. If Muslims just wanted to kill all Jews, how did Jews manage to live among Muslims for centuries? And the people running Israel now aren't really Jews. Yes I said it. They aren't. Genetic testing proves they aren't. And yes you can convert to Judaism, but if you're an athiest and you don't have any genetic link to the region but all you can say is that your mother was Jewish by religion, that doesn't make you a Jew. This is insantity. Sammy Davis Jr. converted to Judaism and married a European non Jewish woman who converted to Judiasm and so his descendants are Jews, unless one of their mothers converts from being Jewish before they are born in which case they are not Jews? And they get a "right of return" to go to a land they had no connection with and take somebody's home who's family has lived there for thousands of years? And you're just going to ignore Irgun and their bombing of the King David Hotel or the attack on the U.S.S. Liberty? Yeah, I can't take you seriously regardless of your change in views.

[jmdrake]

Marijuana & bi polarism

Cannabis use has been stated as a causal risk factor for the occurrence of schizophrenia and other psychotic disorders. There is a dearth of literature stating the association of cannabis with bipolar disorder. This review aimed to find the repercussion of cannabis use on the onset of the first episode of bipolar disorder and the worsening of the symptoms in pre-existing illness. A thorough systematic review of the existing literature was carried out using the PRISMA guidelines. PubMed, Medline, EMBASE, SCOPUS, and Google-scholar databases were searched for studies fitting our study’s inclusion and exclusion criteria. A total of 25 studies were included in the systematic review and out of these 25 studies, five prospective studies met the inclusion criteria for the primary outcome meta-analysis. A total sample of 13,624 individuals was included in these five studies. A fixed effect model was used in the meta-analysis of these five studies and it revealed an association between cannabis and bipolar disorder with an effect size of 2.63 (95% CI: 1.95–3.53) (heterogeneity: chi² = 3.01, df = 3 (P = 0.39); I² = 0%). Our findings propose that cannabis use may precipitate or worsen bipolar disorder. This highlights the importance of the detrimental effect of cannabis use on bipolar disorder and the need to discourage cannabis use in the youth culture. High-quality prospective studies are required to delineate the effect of cannabis use on bipolar disorder.

LOL

[Snowball]

No, he definitely admits to some during the main show.

You seem to forget I used to be pro-Palestine, I remember posting that map with their territory shrinking and shrinking over the years. I used to go to pro-Palestine protests. I would have agreed with your analogy about the US getting occupied. Then I found out it was all bull$#@!, Palestine sucks, they want to kill all the Jews and take back "their land" which is also mostly bull$#@!.

Dannno, the Palestinians agreed multiple times to recognize Israel and the deals were stopped by Likud. Likud killed Yitzak Rabin, even after the Oslo Accords passed the Knesset. Then, Yasser Arafat agreed to an even worse deal in 2000, but Barak reneged because the Israelis insist on building a Third Temple. Later, Arafat was poisoned and Hamas began to take over.

The ONLY reason why there is no peace in the Levant since the 1940's is the Israelis and their sponsors in London/Washington.
Same group, same outcomes, and they aren't done yet.

PLEASE. Read the historical facts.

Timeline: How the Israeli-Palestinian Peace Process Fell Apart in the Three Decades After the 1993 Oslo Accord

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/a...3-oslo-accord/

[dannno]

Marijuana & bi polarism

If you think being pro-Palestine for 8 or 9 years, then changing your mind and being pro-Israel for the next 8-9 years is "bi-polar", you've obviously never had a girlfriend who is bi-polar.

Just because you "discovered" something doesn't make your "discovery" correct. You discout undeniable facts (like Netanyahu had the plans for October 7th a year in advance, and that there were warnings from Israeli, Egyptian and U.S. intelligence right before the attacks happened) and go with right wing (Trumpist) talking points. I'm not impressed.

You keep harping on this whole thing about Israel "planning" Oct. 7.

What did they do? They let down their guard, didn't defend the border?

Isn't that what your side wants? Don't you want them to take down the wall and open up the borders? Isn't that the whole point? What am I missing?

You completely dismissed the analogy I gave before about the morality and legality of turning off your security system when you know somebody is going to come rob you, then standing in your doorway with a shotgun. I think a philosophical discussion could be had about the topic, but you just dismissed it.

The IDF soldiers didn't dress up as Hamas and go in and shoot up the hippie festival and the border towns and kidnap and murder innocent civilians. Yes, they may have, dressed as IDF soldiers, killed some Israelis in the confusion, they may have had a policy of bombing vehicles headed toward the border, killing both Hamas and some hostages - for strategic purposes, which may have ultimately decreased the death toll and mayhem. I'm sure some of those vehicles had more room, they could have gone and killed more people and taken more hostages.

The point is, yes, I realize that Israel may have been like - $#@! - this is never going to end. The Palestinians are sick people, they want to come in and kill all of us and take back our land. We can't keep living under this terror, funded by foreign countries that don't want us here, maybe we need to give them EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT, open the border for a couple hours and show the world what they really want to do to us. In the longrun, it will bring us more peace and stability.

I'm not justifying it, but it is at least understandable. They are at war.

If Muslims just wanted to kill all Jews, how did Jews manage to live among Muslims for centuries?

C'mon dude.. I was very careful to say "some" Muslims want to kill all Jews, they even have a saying, I forget what it is, but basically that they kill the Jews first, then the Christians. These are obviously the extremists. Many of those being Palestinians.

And the people running Israel now aren't really Jews. Yes I said it. They aren't. Genetic testing proves they aren't.

Lol, ya I used to give that talking point too, pretty sure you can find some old comments on this forum. Ashkenazis have practiced Judaism for centuries. I'm sure there is some connection, although it could be true that some of them converted centuries ago, they would probably deny it, I have no idea. I'm not going to trust a genetics test because it could be that in fact that tribe was there in Israel, but they left, and so their is no trace of their DNA that is used by the test to determine if they were. There is nothing in a genetics test that has GPS locating data about their origins, they just compare it to what they have for people living in the region currently. Do you know anything about the tribes of Israel?

But either way it's irrelevant, they certainly believe that was their home land. And no, that doesn't mean I think they can just go in and take it because they believe that.

And they get a "right of return" to go to a land they had no connection with and take somebody's home who's family has lived there for thousands of years? And you're just going to ignore Irgun and their bombing of the King David Hotel or the attack on the U.S.S. Liberty? Yeah, I can't take you seriously regardless of your change in views.

See this is where you've missed some of my previous posts. I don't believe in "right of return".

This seems to be the big disconnect. You still think the Palestinians have lived there for "thousands" of years.. the truth is the majority of them immigrated from other Arab countries AFTER the Jews began settling the area.

What I found out, which is true, is that when European Jews started immigrating to Israel, it was mostly a barren wasteland and very few people lived there. Using modern farming techniques, the Jews started turning Israel into a lush, green bountiful country that could support a lot of people. You can look into "greening the desert", there are a lot of places in the world where they are practicing permaculture or certain rotational animal grazing techniques and turning deserts into green, livable areas, especially in that region of the world.

As this was happening, Arab countries decided to send immigrants into what they called "Palestine" because they didn't want the Jews to control the country of Israel. They probably didn't send their best - they probably sent their criminals, their rapists.

Then you had other Arabs immigrating to "Palestine" because of all the economic opportunities that were being created by the Jewish people who were settling there.

The wars that Israel fought didn't even start until after all this mass migration began occurring.

Now their kids are brainwashed into believing Palestine is "their land", THEY have the "right of return", and that they should go in and kill all the Jews and take "their" land back.

You have it completely backwards.. while it is true the Jews claim they are returning to their homeland, I don't really care about that. What I care about is that they have been there now for many generations, built up an entire society, and they have more claim to the land than the Palestinians, the majority of whom immigrated to the region after the European Jews began settling there. Then they fought wars over it, many generations ago, and won.

Now yes, there are some Palestinians who have been there thousands of years, but it's not the majority...

I'm not saying Israel has always acted perfectly, but they are the side that allows thousands of Palestinians into their country every day to work. They are the side that was trying to avoid civilian casualties by flaring and announcing their bombings of civilian structures that housed military personnel and weapons. They AREN'T the side that was sending missiles indiscriminately into their enemy's cities, storing military equipment and personnel inside civilian structures, etc..

[vita3]

If you think being pro-Palestine for 8 or 9 years, then changing your mind and being pro-Israel for the next 8-9 years is "bi-polar", you've obviously never had a girlfriend who is bi-polar.


That’s funny

[acptulsa]

The IDF soldiers didn't dress up as Hamas...

Yes, they may have, dressed as IDF soldiers...

So Mossad never operates covertly? Never? In a pig's eye.

[Intrepid]

The first casualty of war is the truth. Both sides fill the airwaves with propaganda. And the victor's write the history books. Always.

[TheTexan]

I don't know why Israel doesn't just bulldoze the rest of Gaza. They could 1000% get away with it

[Brian4Liberty]

https://x.com/SystemUpdate_/status/1845102000779735510

[WarriorLiberty]

I don't know why Israel doesn't just bulldoze the rest of Gaza. They could 1000% get away with it

They already have..

Majority of people have no more homes or apartments to return.
The IDF are using FOX News's favorite bulldozer to do bulldoze much of the civilian buildings that weren't used by Hamas at all.
Israel has been targeting Palestinian health care systems and hospitals.

[jmdrake]

You keep harping on this whole thing about Israel "planning" Oct. 7.

What did they do? They let down their guard, didn't defend the border?

Isn't that what your side wants? Don't you want them to take down the wall and open up the borders? Isn't that the whole point? What am I missing?

There you go making stuff up again. Even @Swordsmyth has to admit that I've never advocated one way or the other about open borders. That said, it's one thing to build a wall to keep out children. It's another thing to pull troops away from the border wall you just built right before an attack. I agreed with Trump on restricting travel at the beginning of COVID.

You completely dismissed the analogy I gave before about the morality and legality of turning off your security system when you know somebody is going to come rob you, then standing in your doorway with a shotgun. I think a philosophical discussion could be had about the topic, but you just dismissed it.

That's because your analogy was dishonest. For an honest analogy you shoot your wife and kids with the shotgun so they can't be taken hostage after first turning off your alarm system and then you collect insurance money on their deaths. Make honest analogies and I won't dismiss them.

The IDF soldiers didn't dress up as Hamas and go in and shoot up the hippie festival and the border towns and kidnap and murder innocent civilians. Yes, they may have, dressed as IDF soldiers, killed some Israelis in the confusion, they may have had a policy of bombing vehicles headed toward the border, killing both Hamas and some hostages - for strategic purposes, which may have ultimately decreased the death toll and mayhem. I'm sure some of those vehicles had more room, they could have gone and killed more people and taken more hostages.

They didn't need to. Netanyahu already paid Hamas to play their role. Going back to your dishonest analogy, if you pay people to break into your house, you turn off the alarm system, you kill a few of them but also kill your wife and children so they won't get taken away, then you collect insurance money on top of that, what do you think will happen? I'm starting to like your analogy now that I've fixed it up to be honest. Oh, and then on top of that you go back to the neighborhood where the thugs came from and start killed men, women and children there because some of the thugs got away. And...it turns out that you wanted to buy up houses in that neighborhood. Hamas was funded by Israel in order to weaken the PLO, which had reached a peace agreement with the previous Israeli administrations.

The point is, yes, I realize that Israel may have been like - $#@! - this is never going to end. The Palestinians are sick people, they want to come in and kill all of us and take back our land. We can't keep living under this terror, funded by foreign countries that don't want us here, maybe we need to give them EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT, open the border for a couple hours and show the world what they really want to do to us. In the longrun, it will bring us more peace and stability.

I'm not justifying it, but it is at least understandable. They are at war.

LOL. I put the halfway honest part of your quote in bold. Take "back" our land? Actually take back their land. You can't take "back" something unless it once belonged to you. Yes the Palestinians want their land back, as would anybody. Jews, real Jews, who were actually from the region has lived there openly for centuries. Then some Europeans came in claiming land that didn't belong to them and that's when the strife started.

C'mon dude.. I was very careful to say "some" Muslims want to kill all Jews, they even have a saying, I forget what it is, but basically that they kill the Jews first, then the Christians. These are obviously the extremists. Many of those being Palestinians.

Some white Americans would be happy to kill all black Americans and vice versa. That doesn't justify a damn thing.

Lol, ya I used to give that talking point too, pretty sure you can find some old comments on this forum. Ashkenazis have practiced Judaism for centuries. I'm sure there is some connection, although it could be true that some of them converted centuries ago, they would probably deny it, I have no idea. I'm not going to trust a genetics test because it could be that in fact that tribe was there in Israel, but they left, and so their is no trace of their DNA that is used by the test to determine if they were. There is nothing in a genetics test that has GPS locating data about their origins, they just compare it to what they have for people living in the region currently. Do you know anything about the tribes of Israel?

I know a lot more than you about the tribes of Israel apparent. For instance God split the tribes in to back after the death of Solomon. The "Jews" (the actual Jews) never owned most of what is now called Israel. Most of that belonged to the Samaritans. There are still Samaritans living in the area, though they are much smaller in number now.

But either way it's irrelevant, they certainly believe that was their home land. And no, that doesn't mean I think they can just go in and take it because they believe that.

See this is where you've missed some of my previous posts. I don't believe in "right of return".

This seems to be the big disconnect. You still think the Palestinians have lived there for "thousands" of years.. the truth is the majority of them immigrated from other Arab countries AFTER the Jews began settling the area.

The majority of the people in Israel today who call themselves Jews are not the Jews who were already living in the area.

What I found out, which is true, is that when European Jews started immigrating to Israel, it was mostly a barren wasteland and very few people lived there. Using modern farming techniques, the Jews started turning Israel into a lush, green bountiful country that could support a lot of people. You can look into "greening the desert", there are a lot of places in the world where they are practicing permaculture or certain rotational animal grazing techniques and turning deserts into green, livable areas, especially in that region of the world.

I heard that story back in the 1970s. And? So mass murders of Palestinians in 1948 is justified by later irrigation projects?

As this was happening, Arab countries decided to send immigrants into what they called "Palestine" because they didn't want the Jews to control the country of Israel. They probably didn't send their best - they probably sent their criminals, their rapists.

Myth.

Then you had other Arabs immigrating to "Palestine" because of all the economic opportunities that were being created by the Jewish people who were settling there.

The wars that Israel fought didn't even start until after all this mass migration began occurring.

Now their kids are brainwashed into believing Palestine is "their land", THEY have the "right of return", and that they should go in and kill all the Jews and take "their" land back.

You have it completely backwards.. while it is true the Jews claim they are returning to their homeland, I don't really care about that. What I care about is that they have been there now for many generations, built up an entire society, and they have more claim to the land than the Palestinians, the majority of whom immigrated to the region after the European Jews began settling there. Then they fought wars over it, many generations ago, and won.

Now yes, there are some Palestinians who have been there thousands of years, but it's not the majority...

I'm not saying Israel has always acted perfectly, but they are the side that allows thousands of Palestinians into their country every day to work. They are the side that was trying to avoid civilian casualties by flaring and announcing their bombings of civilian structures that housed military personnel and weapons. They AREN'T the side that was sending missiles indiscriminately into their enemy's cities, storing military equipment and personnel inside civilian structures, etc..

Iran, before it's first retaliatory bombing of Israel gave DAYS of warning.

[jmdrake]

I don't know why Israel doesn't just bulldoze the rest of Gaza. They could 1000% get away with it

Consolidating your "wins" versus opening a whole new front and possibly starting WW 3? Seems like they haven't learned the paintful lesson of a certain Austrian painter turned despot.