The Old Right Opposed Tariffs

[TheTexan]

Well if the cost disparity is big enough, then it is indeed reasonable.

What's reasonable for an individual making their own purchase decisions, is not always what's best for the nation as a whole. As mentioned previously, I have proven this in a separate thread and I welcome any rebuttals. (here)

[Matt Collins]

What's reasonable for an individual making their own purchase decisions, is not always what's best for the nation as a whole.

Yes comrade, we must all submit our individual needs for the collective good of the government.

[TheTexan]

Yes comrade, we must all submit our individual needs for the collective good of the government.

Honestly, if full-on fascism is what it took to prevent one world government, it'd be worth it.

I'm open to reasonable ideas here to prevent it. "Ending free trade" seems like a reasonable idea to me. Historically, it's been done before - and with success. It's straight forward to implement. And all else considered, the costs are pretty low.

I get you like free trade. I like free trade too. But this idea that free trade is universally good is based on fanaticism and not science or logic.

I like freedom. I like the freedom to buy cheap $#@! from China.

But what I really like, is not having a one world government.

We are so fast headed in that direction it's not even funny. Cutting off free trade is such a small price to pay until we figure out a better solution.

And by better solution I mean one that has a chance of working in the short term. Ideological purity is great but we need a short term fix soon because once we get a one world government there is no going back.

[Matt Collins]

Honestly, if full-on fascism is what it took to prevent one world government, it'd be worth it.

Glad to know you openly hate freedom and are freely willing to admit it.

Lame.

[TheTexan]

Glad to know you openly hate freedom and are freely willing to admit it.

Lame.

Glad to know you're incapable of reading comprehension or critical thinking skills.

Lame.

[CCTelander]

Glad to know you're incapable of reading comprehension or critical thinking skills.

Lame.

Sorry, brother, but it’s hilarious to see you accusing others of lacking “critical thinking skills” when it’s patently obvious from your last post (#93) that your own position is based quite firmly in fear, and not at all the result of reason or “critical thinking.” It would probably be best to keep your accusations to yourself until you get that fear under control. Just a friendly suggestion.

[TheTexan]

Sorry, brother, but it’s hilarious to see you accusing others of lacking “critical thinking skills” when it’s patently obvious from your last post (#93) that your own position is based quite firmly in fear, and not at all the result of reason or “critical thinking.” It would probably be best to keep your accusations to yourself until you get that fear under control. Just a friendly suggestion.

Still got nothing but insults.

I used to expect better from you.

And get a thesaurus. You don't need to use "patently" in every post.

[CCTelander]

Still got nothing but insults.

I used to expect better from you.

And get a thesaurus. You don't need to use "patently" in every post.

Oh spare me.


‘Honestly, if full-on fascism is what it took to prevent one world government, it'd be worth it.” - @The%exan

‘Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" - Benjamin Franklin

Nut up or shut up, please.
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[TheTexan]

Sorry, brother, but it’s hilarious to see you accusing others of lacking “critical thinking skills” when it’s patently obvious from your last post (#93) that your own position is based quite firmly in fear, and not at all the result of reason or “critical thinking.” It would probably be best to keep your accusations to yourself until you get that fear under control. Just a friendly suggestion.

And for the record, my position is not based on fear.

I would hold the same position even if globalism wasn't an immediate impending threat.

Isolationism can be about love, as much as it can be about fear. When you love what you have, and you have everything you need, it's not "fearful" to close yourself off to other people or nations. It's simply a recognition that what they are offering to you is not something that you want or need.

There's nothing fearful about isolationism. That's globalist propaganda, and they spread the same lies about sovereignty and secession. There's a reason they want people to think "sovereign individuals" are whack jobs. There's a reason they want people to think secessionists are racists. There's a reason they want people to think isolationism is fearful or xenophobic.

Be smarter than that.

[TheTexan]

Oh spare me.


‘Honestly, if full-on fascism is what it took to prevent one world government, it'd be worth it.” - @The%exan

‘Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" - Benjamin Franklin

Nut up or shut up, please.
“

If we assume that these are the only two outcomes possible, the first is definitely more preferable:

1) A full-on fascist regional government
2) A full-on fascist one world government

It is what it is. Play your high horse cards all you want, but it doesn't change the answer to the above question.

You can call it a false dichotomy if you want - and it certainly is. It absolutely is. But that's not the point. Between those 2 options, the preferred answer should be obvious.

[TheTexan]

‘Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" - Benjamin Franklin

I would also add, it's pretty hard for anyone on this forum to try to act like they deserve to even play this high horse card.

EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU ARE COWARDS WHO GIVE UP THEIR ESSENTIAL LIBERTY EVERY DAY IN ORDER TO PURCHASE A LITTLE TEMPORARY SAFETY.

EVERY DAY.

EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU.

At least I can admit it.

I'm a slave and I could be doing something about it right now but I'm not. It's just too $#@!ing comfortable in this air conditioned house right now.

We wouldn't even need to be talking about free trade right now if EVERY ONE OF US WASN'T SUCH A GODDAMN COWARD.

/rant off
@CCTelander how bout you go nut up or shut up. i'm not gonna do it but i'll at least admit it

[CCTelander]

I would also add, it's pretty hard for anyone on this forum to try to act like they deserve to even play this high horse card.

EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU ARE COWARDS WHO GIVE UP THEIR ESSENTIAL LIBERTY EVERY DAY IN ORDER TO PURCHASE A LITTLE TEMPORARY SAFETY.

EVERY DAY.

EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU.

At least I can admit it.

I'm a slave and I could be doing something about it right now but I'm not. It's just too $#@!ing comfortable in this air conditioned house right now.

There is a VAST difference between giving in to one’s self-preservation instincts and grudgingly complying with SOME of the bull$#@! so as not to wind up dead or in prison, which you are correct in saying all of us do to one extent or another, and publicly advocating that more of those “essential Libert[ies]” be stripped away for the sake of your own temporary safety, which is what you’ve been doing.

If you can’t see that difference, well, then I feel sorry for you.

Carry on.

[TheTexan]

There is a VAST difference between giving in to one’s self-preservation instincts and grudgingly complying with SOME of the bull$#@! so as not to wind up dead or in prison, which you are correct in saying all of us do to one extent or another, and publicly advocating that more of those “essential Libert[ies]” be stripped away for the sake of your own temporary safety, which is what you’ve been doing.

If you can’t see that difference, well, then I feel sorry for you.

Carry on.

There is no difference at all. We can either address the root issue - which we refuse to do - or we can keep applying sub-standard patch fixes to try keep our slavery running as smoothly as possible.

If you're not willing to do what needs to be done, you have no right to accuse others of wanting to apply patch fixes that don't address the root issue.

If patch fixes keep us comfortable, I'll keep doing that. Regardless of whatever high horse morals you claim to hold.

[TheTexan]

There is a VAST difference between giving in to one’s self-preservation instincts and grudgingly complying with SOME of the bull$#@! so as not to wind up dead or in prison, which you are correct in saying all of us do to one extent or another, and publicly advocating that more of those “essential Libert[ies]” be stripped away for the sake of your own temporary safety, which is what you’ve been doing.

If you can’t see that difference, well, then I feel sorry for you.

Carry on.

I would also add that I have never advocated for any Liberty to be stripped. You have accused me of that but it's simply not true.

There is nothing "liberty stripping" about closing off free trade. You interpret it to be that way because you are locked in a mindset of the status quo where we are all slaves. But in a theoretical world which does not exist and probably will never exist*, there is the possibility to have voluntary societies that choose to voluntarily close themselves off from trade. That - and only that - is what I have ever advocated for.

I have always - always - supported the right to secede. At every level. Whatever policy choices I prefer - free trade or otherwise - I always support your right to take your ball and go home.

So don't give me this $#@! about me advocating for liberty to be stripped.

(* And it never will exist, because as pointed above, we are all cowards)

[PAF]

EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU ARE COWARDS WHO GIVE UP THEIR ESSENTIAL LIBERTY EVERY DAY IN ORDER TO PURCHASE A LITTLE TEMPORARY SAFETY.

EVERY DAY.

EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU.

Larken Rose actually stood up to the system to the point that he was imprisoned.

Unfortunately, on this RPF, there are few to none who even care to acknowledge him.

There is a VAST difference between giving in to one’s self-preservation instincts and grudgingly complying with SOME of the bull$#@! so as not to wind up dead or in prison, which you are correct in saying all of us do to one extent or another, and publicly advocating that more of those “essential Libert[ies]” be stripped away for the sake of your own temporary safety, which is what you’ve been doing.

If you can’t see that difference, well, then I feel sorry for you.

Carry on.

+ REP

[TheTexan]

Larken Rose actually stood up to the system to the point that he was imprisoned.

Unfortunately, on this RPF, there are few to none who even care to acknowledge him.

Was he? Damn. Good for him, was not aware.

Yea, I would have assumed I would have seen a thread or something on this here.

[TheTexan]

+ REP

You're +rep'ing a lie. I've never advocated anyone's liberty be stripped.

Blame someone else for your slavery.

[PAF]

You're +rep'ing a lie. I've never advocated anyone's liberty be stripped.

Trump Says We ‘Gotta’ Restrict the First Amendment

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...-burning/page2

He's not the dictator we want, but he's the dictator we need

Blame someone else for your slavery.

[TheTexan]

Can't take a joke? =P

[PAF]

Can't take a joke? =P

Sure, but don't call me a liar, because I despise liars, and I'm not one.





In all fairness, I have what some would consider a photographic memory which is why I can pull things out of a hat so fast

[TheTexan]

Sure, but don't call me a liar, because I despise liars, and I'm not one.

Didn't say you was a liar. Not even saying CC's a liar, but his statement is not an accurate representation of the truth. I've never advocated for anyone's liberty be stripped.

[PAF]

Didn't say you was a liar. Not even saying CC's a liar, but his statement is not an accurate representation of the truth. I've never advocated for anyone's liberty be stripped.

Check this out, it's a really great question :

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...Great-Question

[Swordsmyth]

What's reasonable for an individual making their own purchase decisions, is not always what's best for the nation as a whole. As mentioned previously, I have proven this in a separate thread and I welcome any rebuttals. (here)

And therefore for the individual in the long run.

[Swordsmyth]

Free traders will sell their birthright for a mess of pottage every time.

[Matt Collins]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tex8Mr8kFrw

[Matt Collins]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ikFV9JYUhc

[Matt Collins]

Interesting take from a Heretic Foundation economist... according to him China's government paid the US tariffs last time around essentially subsidizing it so that their sellers could keep their prices competitive...





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEna_y8KyK4

[PAF]

Free traders will sell their birthright for a mess of pottage every time.

"Libertarian" con man Peter Thiel and the QAnon have been promoting that line of thinking for quite some time.

It's also interesting that Robert Lighthizer, described as the "architect" of Trump's trade policies, led the implementation of tariffs and the "trade war" against China. All which are contrary to what Ron Paul and this site stand for.

Has BlackRock infiltrated the RPF? I know that I am growing more fond of Whitney Webb by the minute, wow is she a wealth of information!

[Swordsmyth]

"Libertarian" con man Peter Thiel and the QAnon have been promoting that line of thinking for quite some time.

It's also interesting that Robert Lighthizer, described as the "architect" of Trump's trade policies, led the implementation of tariffs and the "trade war" against China. All which are contrary to what Ron Paul and this site stand for.

Has BlackRock infiltrated the RPF? I know that I am growing more fond of Whitney Webb by the minute, wow is she a wealth of information!

Tariffs are not contrary to Ron Paul or this site.

Webb is clearly controlled opposition assigned to blackpill and suppress.

[Matt Collins]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeO3BZCe3uk