Update. I cannot vote for Trump.

[Snowball]

Trump slams Biden for saying Israel shouldn’t target Iranian nuclear sites: ‘The craziest thing I’ve ever heard’

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-sla...022913161.html


bottom line I don't trust the guy or approve of his policies

he's even come out supporting Zelensky and Kushner is out there planning greater Israel,
and his economic "plan" is to "grow" but not make cuts.

He is insulting to the intelligence. Israel is slaughtering many thousands of people for no good reason.
All they wanted from Israel was to get them to stop killing Palestinians. But they won't.

Personally I have no problem with Iran getting nukes and I believe they have already had nuclear-tipped warheads
for a very long time. If Israel was unrestrained and fully supported to attack Iran, then it's WW3. Unlike Trump says,
hitting their nuclear facilities would cause a disaster and WW3 if Russia and China support them which is highly likely.

He won't say Israel should stop. Never has. This is probably a deal-breaker for me at this point because of the way it's going.
Even last night Israel was pounding Lebanon and casualties are over 2k now.

What should happen is "we" should have stopped sending Israel the bombs and equipment and intelligence, and the 40 Billion.
Told them no more stuff. Reign yourself in and act like human beings or GTFO.

Iran intentionally killed zero Israelis and even Hezbollah didn't, they aim for military only, unlike Israel.

With Trump giving the green light for bombing Iranian nuclear sites it would be all-out war.
We now know he will go to all-out war for Israel (bad for Israel too, btw), and it's more than I can condone.

[acptulsa]

Welcome to the ranks of the "delusional".

[Snowball]

Welcome to the ranks of the "delusional".

I was always there, but I was preparing to swallow it and vote for him anyway
but this is too much. It is a deal-breaker. Like right now, he'd be hitting Iran's facilities. I'm out.

[fisharmor]

The objectively correct thing to say would have been "Biden doesn't even know a hurricane just destroyed a bunch of three states of the country he's supposed to be president of".

Why use this to react with hyper aggression? This is the reason I don't like Trump - when you can get him to calm TF down and discuss things rationally he's open to policies that aren't bat$#@! insane, but that's not his default mode. He has no filter and if he has no filter it means he's constantly making snap judgments and not taking a minute to think things through.

I don't know about the rest of you but I get a lot more meaningful work done if I take five extra seconds to think about what I'm doing and be sure it's the right path. And it's obvious he suffers from the same problems as when I don't, and he seems oblivious to it. People who get into their 70s without recognizing major character flaws like that should be pitied, not put in leadership positions.

[vita3]

Guy has no poise or self control & giving Israel everything & more has lead us to terrible foreign policy/war position we are in

[Anti Federalist]

Meh.

The Small Hat Club owns this government.

They would get what they wanted, regardless.

[unknown]

This Izrael is turning people into single issue voters.

Although I can't imagine either administration really standing up to our ZOG.

[vita3]

Meh.

The Small Hat Club owns this government.

They would get what they wanted, regardless.

True, but the he tipped the scales too much in their favor.

Remember he recognized the Golan Heights as theirs & they weren’t even asking for that.

[sparebulb]

Every previous post here is correct and principled.

With a decent congress, who occupies the White House is less relevant.

But there we are.

I'll probably vote for an irrelevant third party over Trump.

It won't matter, because I live in a red state.

[spudea]

Israel has hit Iranian nuclear facilities before and they will do so again with or without US support. Biden didn't need to say anything and his response emboldens Iran and their proxies. If Iran has a nuke, fine, I don't care much about a country on the other side of the world. But the real danger is if they are able to pass it off to one of their truly insane proxies, Hamas, Hezbollah, houthies, etc. Saudi Arabia won't like that and will help Israel target Iran. It won't be WW3 because Russia and China don't care that much about Iran.

[WarriorLiberty]

MAKE ISRAEL GREAT AGAIN!


At times Trump is showing his NeoCon/Hawkish side.

[WarriorLiberty]

Israel has hit Iranian nuclear facilities before and they will do so again with or without US support. Biden didn't need to say anything and his response emboldens Iran and their proxies. If Iran has a nuke, fine, I don't care much about a country on the other side of the world. But the real danger is if they are able to pass it off to one of their truly insane proxies, Hamas, Hezbollah, houthies, etc. Saudi Arabia won't like that and will help Israel target Iran. It won't be WW3 because Russia and China don't care that much about Iran.

What Israel forgets Iran isn't the Iraq of the 90s or 80s.

because Russia and China don't care that much about Iran

Who has been giving support to Russia militarily?

[vita3]

Meh.

The Small Hat Club owns this government.

They would get what they wanted, regardless.

& don't forget 'TRUMP HEIGHTS" a new development in Golan Heights

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-48656431

Israel stole/took that land as a spoil of war.

At a naming ceremony on Sunday, Mr Netanyahu said Trump Heights honoured Mr Trump for his decision to recognise Israeli sovereignty over the territory.

Building work has yet to begin but a sign bearing Mr Trump's name and US and Israeli flags was unveiled.

Critics called the move a publicity stunt with no legal authority.

Israel seized the Golan from Syria in the 1967 Middle East war. In March, the US became the first country to recognise Israeli sovereignty over the area since Israel effectively annexed it in 1981


"This is a historic day," said Mr Netanyahu, hailing President Trump as "a friend of Israel".

[Todd]

I was always there, but I was preparing to swallow it and vote for him anyway
but this is too much. It is a deal-breaker. Like right now, he'd be hitting Iran's facilities. I'm out.

Yeah this is $#@!ing madness. I want to believe its all bluster but I'm not rolling the dice on this.

MAKE ISRAEL GREAT AGAIN!


At times Trump is showing his NeoCon/Hawkish side.

I don't believe he is driven by any other philosophy other than an alpha male, kick their ass, American..... but we don't need that kind of locker room jock strap machismo in foreign policy....and if he truly is compromised by Israel lobby, that just makes it more probable.

I liked the 2016 Trump better that used that Big Dick energy and negotiated with leaders of Nation states to make the deal they couldn't refuse.

[WarriorLiberty]

Trump isnt longer saying drain the swamp i suppose the greater Israel lobby got Trump.

[69360]

Jews and Muslims have been killing each other for thousands of years. Nothing Donald Trump says or does is going to change that fact. The Jews have the upper hand in the body count right now, it's really a genocide. But that could change at any moment.

I'm not a Trump fan, but he's probably less likely to get us all killed than Harris.

[Snowball]

Israel has hit Iranian nuclear facilities before and they will do so again with or without US support. Biden didn't need to say anything and his response emboldens Iran and their proxies. If Iran has a nuke, fine, I don't care much about a country on the other side of the world. But the real danger is if they are able to pass it off to one of their truly insane proxies, Hamas, Hezbollah, houthies, etc. Saudi Arabia won't like that and will help Israel target Iran. It won't be WW3 because Russia and China don't care that much about Iran.

Israel has hit Iranian nuclear facilities before and they will do so again with or without US support. Biden didn't need to say anything and his response emboldens Iran and their proxies. If Iran has a nuke, fine, I don't care much about a country on the other side of the world. But the real danger is if they are able to pass it off to one of their truly insane proxies, Hamas, Hezbollah, houthies, etc. Saudi Arabia won't like that and will help Israel target Iran. It won't be WW3 because Russia and China don't care that much about Iran.

You're confusing Iraq with Iran. Israel has never attacked Iranian nuclear sites. They have assassinated their nuclear scientists, but nothing more.
Today, Iran is an ally of nuclear states. The Russians are there in full swing. They have AD installations to take Israeli and US jets and missiles down.
Also, Pakistan has said if Israel nukes Iran, they will nuke Israel. This is nothing to fool around with. If you want Israel to survive, you don't want Israel and US to try and bunker-bomb the Iranian reactors which are deep as fvck inside mountains. Trump is not responsible, even to Israel because if Israel and US did this, Iran is going kill millions of Jews, my friend. All for what? The October 7th response should have ended a long time ago. Now, it's expanded into Lebanon and West Bank, when there is absolutely no need for it. Even right now, Israel should not "respond" to Iran's missiles from earlier this week. They killed nobody because Iran doesn't want to kill anyone.
This is not weakness. It is sanity. Trump is not sane when he says Biden is "crazy" to ask Israel not to try and hit Iran's nukes.

I don't know how anyone SANE can think it would be a positive thing. Iran had allowed all inspections and was only making peaceful nuclear power. Trump tore up the JCPOA for no reason other than Israel wants to take down Iran. But it's not even Israel. It's worldwide elite Jewry. They will sacrifice their own inside Israel and whisk off to their islands while Israel burns. Iran has enough ballistic missiles - potentially already with nuclear-tipped payloads, totally unconnected to their nuclear program. They could easily have bought them from North Korea, Soviet Union/Russia, Pakistan, or China. This is not a game. It happens, and everyone dies because why? Because Israel won't stop murdering Palestinians and Lebanese? Big decisions are being made. Russia and China don't fear us because they have no reason to. They can, together, actually defeat us, and more of them will survive than Americans.

here's the future if Trump had his way, according to his own statement.

1) Israel and US "hit" Iran's nuclear facilities.
2) Radiation leaks and mayhem.
3) Iran fires 1,000 ballistic missiles per hour against Israel for 24 hours.
4) Israel fires nukes against Iran.
5) Iran keeps pounding Israel and all US troops in Middle East are wiped out.
6) Russia destroys Israel's nuke sites
7) 5+ million Jews are dead

you want to go there? good luck.

[PAF]

Jews and Muslims have been killing each other for thousands of years. Nothing Donald Trump says or does is going to change that fact. The Jews have the upper hand in the body count right now, it's really a genocide. But that could change at any moment.

I'm not a Trump fan, but he's probably less likely to get us all killed than Harris.

It was Trump who received $100 Million from Miriam Adelson to secure his election, not Harris.

[vita3]

Trumps the only President we’ve ever had who looks @ Israel/Palestine issue & only see potential $$$ Mediterranean Real Estate opportunity's.

It’s Reckless “Leadership “ pure & simple

& His slick “chosen people” Son in Law… Furgetaboutit

[Invisible Man]

..

[spudea]

Israel has never attacked Iranian nuclear sites. They have assassinated their nuclear scientists, but nothing more.

https://www.csis.org/analysis/assess...ls-strike-iran

This strike against Iran was earlier this year. Russian and China trade with Iran for economic reasons, not ideological reasons. Does their relationship rise to the level of mutual defense? I don't think so.

[PAF]

Aside from Netanyahu hailing Trump as "a friend of Israel" and Miriam's generous $100 Million "contribution" to Trump:

Jared Kushner, Trump’s son-in-law, praises ‘very valuable’ potential of Gaza’s ‘waterfront property’


I remember when Bush W sounded like Ron Paul concerning "peace around the world", until bam.

[asurfaholic]

Trump slams Biden for saying Israel shouldn’t target Iranian nuclear sites: ‘The craziest thing I’ve ever heard’

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-sla...022913161.html


bottom line I don't trust the guy or approve of his policies

he's even come out supporting Zelensky and Kushner is out there planning greater Israel,
and his economic "plan" is to "grow" but not make cuts.

He is insulting to the intelligence. Israel is slaughtering many thousands of people for no good reason.
All they wanted from Israel was to get them to stop killing Palestinians. But they won't.

Personally I have no problem with Iran getting nukes and I believe they have already had nuclear-tipped warheads
for a very long time. If Israel was unrestrained and fully supported to attack Iran, then it's WW3. Unlike Trump says,
hitting their nuclear facilities would cause a disaster and WW3 if Russia and China support them which is highly likely.

He won't say Israel should stop. Never has. This is probably a deal-breaker for me at this point because of the way it's going.
Even last night Israel was pounding Lebanon and casualties are over 2k now.

What should happen is "we" should have stopped sending Israel the bombs and equipment and intelligence, and the 40 Billion.
Told them no more stuff. Reign yourself in and act like human beings or GTFO.

Iran intentionally killed zero Israelis and even Hezbollah didn't, they aim for military only, unlike Israel.

With Trump giving the green light for bombing Iranian nuclear sites it would be all-out war.
We now know he will go to all-out war for Israel (bad for Israel too, btw), and it's more than I can condone.

So Kamala is the answer?

I don’t love everything about trump either, but someone’s going to get elected. Are you saying that one is no better than the other?

[acptulsa]

So Kamala is the answer?

I don’t love everything about trump either, but someone’s going to get elected. Are you saying that one is no better than the other?

That's a whole lot more true than you think. The whole thing smells scripted and I honestly don't think anyone's going to bother to count them anyway. Trump isn't going to usher in any less socialism.

[asurfaholic]

That's a whole lot more true than you think. The whole thing smells scripted and I honestly don't think anyone's going to bother to count them anyway. Trump isn't going to usher in any less socialism.

I mean, I don’t buy it. Just his stance on closing the border is heaps and bounds less socialism than the radical left.

[Snowball]

So Kamala is the answer?

I don’t love everything about trump either, but someone’s going to get elected. Are you saying that one is no better than the other?

I said nothing more than I've said. I can't do it. Everyone can decide for themselves. Nobody is on the ballot for me this year.
I was planning to do it, even though I didn't want to, but since he said Biden is "crazy" for telling Israel not to attack Iran's nuclear,
it's all over for me. I can't. Iran is ready for war. Russia has Murmansk-BN's, jets, S-400s, whatever ready to defend them now.
They also sent them missiles and maybe even nukes for all we know. Lines are drawn. Iran is going in BRICs and the Russia/China axis BIG TIME.
Israel is in for a rude awakening if they think they can survive with this level of disrespect for humanity.
Even Turkey now is saying they might have to go to war against Israel. If Israel smacked Iran's nuclear today, like Trump says is peachy fine, the consequences would be irreparable. If he's Potus and inherits this level of action, he's going to war for Israel, all the way, and I don't think that serves anyone well. Certainly not Israelis, even though I care for them less than anyone else in the world at this point. If their destiny is to pick a fight they can't finish, then let them burn down in flames.

[acptulsa]

I mean, I don’t buy it. Just his stance on closing the border is heaps and bounds less socialism than the radical left.

It'll get closed no matter what frontman gets picked. They save the unsustainable, destructive crap for election years.

I'm thinking at this point that the last election in which the public had any say for a federal seat was 2000.

Totalitarianism is already here. And the screws are tightening. WWIII would make it all moot, of course. Israel is trying to start it, and neither candidate will stop it.

[WarriorLiberty]

I said nothing more than I've said. I can't do it. Everyone can decide for themselves. Nobody is on the ballot for me this year.
I was planning to do it, even though I didn't want to, but since he said Biden is "crazy" for telling Israel not to attack Iran's nuclear,
it's all over for me. I can't. Iran is ready for war. Russia has Murmansk-BN's, jets, S-400s, whatever ready to defend them now.
They also sent them missiles and maybe even nukes for all we know. Lines are drawn. Iran is going in BRICs and the Russia/China axis BIG TIME.
Israel is in for a rude awakening if they think they can survive with this level of disrespect for humanity.
Even Turkey now is saying they might have to go to war against Israel. If Israel smacked Iran's nuclear today, like Trump says is peachy fine, the consequences would be irreparable. If he's Potus and inherits this level of action, he's going to war for Israel, all the way, and I don't think that serves anyone well. Certainly not Israelis, even though I care for them less than anyone else in the world at this point. If their destiny is to pick a fight they can't finish, then let them burn down in flames.

Israel is in for a rude awakening if they think they can survive with this level of disrespect for humanity.

I agree and also considering what some Israeli NGOs are currently doing in Europe as well some NGOs supporting migrants and even as far organizing protests.

Demanding some Euporean govts to give housing first to the African/Arab Migrants over Europeans some who are sleeping on the streets or in their vehicles.

like Trump says is peachy fine, the consequences would be irreparable

For a Clown like Trump to say i want to peace and wars to end yet his ok with Israel attacking Nuclear Power Plants or Iranian oil fields.

Without realizing the consequences.

[jmdrake]

https://www.csis.org/analysis/assess...ls-strike-iran

This strike against Iran was earlier this year. Russian and China trade with Iran for economic reasons, not ideological reasons. Does their relationship rise to the level of mutual defense? I don't think so.

You know your own article supports @Snowball's contention that Israel has never attacked Iran's nucler sites right? Attacking the missile defense system protecting a nuclear site, while a serious excalation, isn't the same as attacking the site itself. For a comparison see:

https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-b...40-years-later

As far as mutual defense, don't forget that Russia mainly entered they Syrian conflict to thwart the U.S. effort to topple Assad.

[oyarde]

Meh.

The Small Hat Club owns this government.

They would get what they wanted, regardless.

Id say it seems accurate , own enoug votes in reps and senators