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  1. #121
    Quote Originally Posted by Snowball View Post
    I don't think either's "campaign" matters.

    This is about the battle between their [very slightly] different elite sponsors, and the machinations of the actual state "elections".
    Florida and North Carolina don't really matter to Harris. She's writing them both off.
    Arizona and PA are the two biggest battlefronts, and the Dems are running both of them. If I had to bet, I'd bet Harris.
    She can lose Virginia and NC and still win. Trump needs more to happen, because he needs Dem-run elections to go his way.
    Well what hasn't being going well for the Democrats its the economy.

    To this day what has Harris presented did she is different from Biden or Trump nothing much it seems.


    Harris Camp is still using project 2025 hoping that helps her..



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  3. #122
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Free trade is globalism, and so is open borders.
    You're once again mistaking managed trade for free trade.





    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  4. #123
    ON TOPIC because it's what Trump said they should do:

    Today:

    Former PM Bennett calls for action against Iran's nuclear program

    "This is a unique window of opportunity that gives us both the legitimacy and the ability to hit them hard."

    Former Prime Minister Naftali Bennett has released a video statement emphasizing the need to attack Iran’s nuclear program, declaring that the current geopolitical landscape presents a unique opportunity for Israel.

    He noted that both Hezbollah and Hamas, powerful branches of what he described as the "Iranian terrorist octopus," are now weakened, allowing Israel to act without fear of severe retaliation.

    Bennett stated, "This is a unique window of opportunity that gives us both the legitimacy and the ability to hit them hard." He argued that while there will always be reasons to refrain from action, it is crucial to remember that as long as Iran remains operational, its affiliates can recover.

    He emphasized the importance of striking at the core of the Iranian regime, advocating for a comprehensive approach rather than limited actions that merely send a message. "We cannot just strike Iranian military bases or take spectacular but limited actions," he said. "The time for messages is over."

    Bennett urged for decisive measures against Iran's nuclear capabilities, stating, "We have the means to deliver a severe blow to the heart of the Iranian regime." He highlighted that the Iranian populace is calling for regime change, framing this moment as an opportunity for Israel to secure the future for its children and grandchildren.

    "This is a unique opportunity," he concluded, urging for decisive action to undermine Iran's influence and capabilities.

    https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israe...uclear-program
    "When Sombart says: "Capitalism is born from the money-loan", I should like to add to this: Capitalism actually exists only in the money-loan;" - Theodor Fritsch

  5. #124
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    You're once again mistaking managed trade for free trade.
    You are completely backwards. Do tell how do you have free trade with a communist country that prevents our companies from selling goods into China??? Literally bans all American ownership of companies in China. Their goal is to destroy our manufacturing base and the open borders, pro-slave labor, globalist free traders like you cheer about it.

    You confuse Ron and Rand speaking of philosophical principles, with what actually occurs in reality.

    BTW, Trump was the biggest threat to the WTO ever.

    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 01/15/24
    Trump will win every single state primary by double digits.
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 04/20/16
    There won't be a contested convention
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 05/30/17
    The shooting of Gabrielle Gifford was blamed on putting a crosshair on a political map. I wonder what event we'll see justified with pictures like this.

  6. #125
    Quote Originally Posted by Snowball View Post
    ON TOPIC because it's what Trump said they should do:

    Today:

    Former PM Bennett calls for action against Iran's nuclear program

    "This is a unique window of opportunity that gives us both the legitimacy and the ability to hit them hard."

    Former Prime Minister Naftali Bennett has released a video statement emphasizing the need to attack Iran’s nuclear program, declaring that the current geopolitical landscape presents a unique opportunity for Israel.

    He noted that both Hezbollah and Hamas, powerful branches of what he described as the "Iranian terrorist octopus," are now weakened, allowing Israel to act without fear of severe retaliation.

    Bennett stated, "This is a unique window of opportunity that gives us both the legitimacy and the ability to hit them hard." He argued that while there will always be reasons to refrain from action, it is crucial to remember that as long as Iran remains operational, its affiliates can recover.

    He emphasized the importance of striking at the core of the Iranian regime, advocating for a comprehensive approach rather than limited actions that merely send a message. "We cannot just strike Iranian military bases or take spectacular but limited actions," he said. "The time for messages is over."

    Bennett urged for decisive measures against Iran's nuclear capabilities, stating, "We have the means to deliver a severe blow to the heart of the Iranian regime." He highlighted that the Iranian populace is calling for regime change, framing this moment as an opportunity for Israel to secure the future for its children and grandchildren.

    "This is a unique opportunity," he concluded, urging for decisive action to undermine Iran's influence and capabilities.

    https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israe...uclear-program
    A bit off topic

    It seems Crazy Hawk Israel wants to destroy anyone even those who want peace in the middle east.

    https://x.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1843768553155305502

  7. #126
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    You are completely backwards. Do tell how do you have free trade with a communist country that prevents our companies from selling goods into China??? Literally bans all American ownership of companies in China. Their goal is to destroy our manufacturing base and the open borders, pro-slave labor, globalist free traders like you cheer about it.

    You confuse Ron and Rand speaking of philosophical principles, with what actually occurs in reality.

    BTW, Trump was the biggest threat to the WTO ever.


    Trump Wants To "Beat China" By Taxing Americans?

    By Chris Rossini
    1/19/2016


    Today's Liberty Report focused on free trade vs. protectionism and how the latter has historically been a segue into war. Ron Paul and Daniel McAdams also discussed the heroic Richard Cobden and the political movement called the Anti-Corn Law League that was formed in 1838. See here for more on Cobden.

    It's very easy to look at foreign trade on a superficial level. Those big American corporations go to China to exploit cheap labor, thus destroying "our jobs". That's about as far as most people are willing to contemplate the situation. Sadly that's a very naive perspective to hold.

    Moving a company's operations (especially for a giant multi-national) is a big deal. It goes way beyond the "cheap labor" argument. Just imagine the legal implications of moving overseas. Now you have to deal with another set of laws in a totally different nation. There are foreign customs and language barriers that must be factored in as well. Then the foreign government itself must be considered. Will your assets be safe? Will the foreign government someday nationalize your business and take it all away from you? Will they strangle you with bureaucracy and red tape?

    Amazingly enough, even with a laundry list of things to consider before moving your operations overseas, many American companies conclude that the pros outweigh the cons. If anything, it's not a testament to "exploiting cheap labor," as your average American will conclude, but that the U.S. business environment is so messed up that it's worth the move for many businesses.

    Yet, how many Americans consider that they live under the largest government in the history of the world? How many consider that about 1,000 new regulations are created each day? America is swimming in oceans of red tape and bureaucracy. There are laws for everything. Who can you hire? How can you fire? Will you get sued if you fire? Are you discriminating? Are you "socially responsible"? Are you "green"? Are you following the edicts of more government agencies than you can keep track of?

    Many business owners throw their hands up and say: "Forget it!"

    They find greener pastures and governments that will welcome their businesses. Yet, the average American is well-trained to conclude only one thing: "cheap labor".

    Unfortunately, American politicians that run for president don't look to roll back the biggest government in history. They perpetually campaign to take a bad situation and make it even worse.

    Donald Trump is a prime example.

    Trump likes to talk about trade as a zero sum game, as if there are "winners" and "losers". That's a fundamental misunderstanding of trade and exchange, but it works on the campaign trail, so he sticks with it. Trump boasts about how "we're" going to "beat China" and how he's going to slap tariffs on them.

    Unfortunately, his audiences don't understand that when they cheer for tariffs, they're cheering for Trump to tax them! Yes, you read that correctly. Trump plans on "beating China" by taxing Americans!

    Trump, as president, would have no power to tax the Chinese. But he can tax Americans, and that's what a tariff is. American consumers would be forced to pay higher prices for Chinese goods. The tariff would also raise revenues for the U.S. government. In other words, money out of your pocket and into the largest government pockets on earth. Trump, instead of shrinking the gargantuan U.S. government would, with tariffs, bloat it further.

    In keeping with government tradition, Trump is essentially promising us "Always Higher Prices". Perhaps he can trademark that along with "Make America Great Again".

    Protectionism is very dangerous. When governments get started in trade wars, they all too often lead to actual hot wars.

    Trump's ideas must be thoroughly rejected.



    http://www.ronpaullibertyreport.com/...xing-americans

    Last edited by PAF; 10-08-2024 at 05:20 PM.
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  8. #127
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  9. #128
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    You are completely backwards. Do tell how do you have free trade with a communist country that prevents our companies from selling goods into China??? Literally bans all American ownership of companies in China. Their goal is to destroy our manufacturing base and the open borders, pro-slave labor, globalist free traders like you cheer about it.

    You confuse Ron and Rand speaking of philosophical principles, with what actually occurs in reality.
    ]
    We might not be able to have fully free trade, because we can’t control what China does. But that shouldn’t stop our government from keeping trade as free as possible by way of cutting or eliminating tariffs and other trade restrictions.

    Ron and Rand don’t just support hypothetical free trade in an imaginary world where other countries all support it too. They oppose tariffs and trade restrictions consistently in the real world, and regardless what any other countries do.



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  11. #129
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    You are completely backwards. Do tell how do you have free trade with a communist country that prevents our companies from selling goods into China??? Literally bans all American ownership of companies in China. Their goal is to destroy our manufacturing base and the open borders, pro-slave labor, globalist free traders like you cheer about it.

    You confuse Ron and Rand speaking of philosophical principles, with what actually occurs in reality.

    BTW, Trump was the biggest threat to the WTO ever.

    Wow. What a distorted response to what I actually wrote. Recap. @Swordsmyth said @CCTelander was somehow a globalist for supporting free trade. I pointed out that true free trade is not at all globalism. I did not even MENTION TRUMP! But you know who has criticized Trump's tariffs? Ron Paul has:





    Now if disagreeing with Trump on tariffs makes someone a globalist, then Ron Paul is a globalist. It's possible that Trump is right and Ron Paul is wrong on tariffs (I don't think so but it's possible) but that still doesn't make Ron Paul a globalist and agreeing with Ron Paul on the tariff issue doesn't make CCTelandar a globalist.

    Edit: And for the record, Here is Ron Paul speaking about the economic and military competition with China.



    Recklessly throwing around pejoratives like "globalist" doesn't do anything to advance real understanding of complex issues.
    Last edited by jmdrake; 10-08-2024 at 07:52 PM.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  12. #130
    I don’t need to vote for Trump for the simple fact Harris has no chance of winning Indiana.

  13. #131
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Wow. What a distorted response to what I actually wrote.
    My point is, it's impossible to have free trade when one party to the trade, fundamentally and systematically doesn't believe in reciprocal free trade, it's not fair trade. Trade is a two-way street after all. When Ron Paul talks about free trade and tariffs, he is talking about a utopian world where everyone practices free trade, and everyone has freedom like in the USA. He also likes to talk about the moral responsibility to advocate for free access to products and low tariffs/taxes for us here in the USA and we can't control what other countries do. But he almost never talks about the moral responsibility of buying products produced by slave labor in communist China. He thinks that is just fine. He loves cheap products from China no matter if they are produced by child slaves, and the destruction of our industries here at home. He never talks about the morals and consequences of that! You can't hand waive away supporting that reality in the name of "free trade".

    Yes, you are a globalist if you think USA must follow free trade principles while the rest of the world doesn't. That is exactly what the WTO is for, to take advantage of our completely open market to the detriment of all our industries and rip us off until there is nothing left, 100% consumerism economy. Again, Trump was the greatest threat to the WTO, he was using tariff strategies as leverage to get other countries to open up their markets and be more free trade at the other side of trade negotiations.
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 01/15/24
    Trump will win every single state primary by double digits.
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 04/20/16
    There won't be a contested convention
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 05/30/17
    The shooting of Gabrielle Gifford was blamed on putting a crosshair on a political map. I wonder what event we'll see justified with pictures like this.

  14. #132
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    You're once again mistaking managed trade for free trade.





    You can repeat that all you want, and it won't change the fact that it's exactly the same as the useful idiots shouting "THAT WASN'T REAL COMMUNISM!".
    "Real" free trade doesn't exist and never will, just like "real" communism.
    And the evils of free trade are only added to by managed trade, some might even be mitigated by it.

    It's destructive, and it enables the globalist class to seize all the wealth and reduce everyone else to living in the dirt as slaves, it also erases barriers to global government and facilitates blackmailing nations into submitting to it.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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  15. #133
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You can repeat that all you want, and it won't change the fact that it's exactly the same as the useful idiots shouting "THAT WASN'T REAL COMMUNISM!"
    Sure it exisrs. It's called the black market. But that wasn't even my point. My point is that Ron Paul and Rand Paul have taken the same position as @CCTelander on this and they clearly aren't globalists. Argue your position without the ad hominems. Are you even capapble of doing that?
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  16. #134
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    My point is, it's impossible to have free trade when one party to the trade, fundamentally and systematically doesn't believe in reciprocal free trade, it's not fair trade. Trade is a two-way street after all. When Ron Paul talks about free trade and tariffs, he is talking about a utopian world where everyone practices free trade, and everyone has freedom like in the USA. He also likes to talk about the moral responsibility to advocate for free access to products and low tariffs/taxes for us here in the USA and we can't control what other countries do. But he almost never talks about the moral responsibility of buying products produced by slave labor in communist China. He thinks that is just fine. He loves cheap products from China no matter if they are produced by child slaves, and the destruction of our industries here at home. He never talks about the morals and consequences of that! You can't hand waive away supporting that reality in the name of "free trade".

    Yes, you are a globalist if you think USA must follow free trade principles while the rest of the world doesn't. That is exactly what the WTO is for, to take advantage of our completely open market to the detriment of all our industries and rip us off until there is nothing left, 100% consumerism economy. Again, Trump was the greatest threat to the WTO, he was using tariff strategies as leverage to get other countries to open up their markets and be more free trade at the other side of trade negotiations.
    I will tell you the same thing I told @Swordsmyth. My point is that Ron Paul and Rand Paul have taken the same position as @CCTelander on this and they clearly aren't globalists. Argue your position without the ad hominems. Are you even capapble of doing that?
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  17. #135
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Sure it exisrs. It's called the black market. But that wasn't even my point. My point is that Ron Paul and Rand Paul have taken the same position as @CCTelander on this and they clearly aren't globalists. Argue your position without the ad hominems. Are you even capapble of doing that?
    If you think the black market isn't managed by organized crime you are sadly mistaken.

    And neither Ron nor Rand support open borders like CCT does.
    But they are still supporting a globalist agenda in supporting free trade, they've been brainwashed on the topic like so many have been.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  18. #136
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    My point is, it's impossible to have free trade when one party to the trade, fundamentally and systematically doesn't believe in reciprocal free trade, it's not fair trade. Trade is a two-way street after all. When Ron Paul talks about free trade and tariffs, he is talking about a utopian world where everyone practices free trade, and everyone has freedom like in the USA. He also likes to talk about the moral responsibility to advocate for free access to products and low tariffs/taxes for us here in the USA and we can't control what other countries do. But he almost never talks about the moral responsibility of buying products produced by slave labor in communist China. He thinks that is just fine. He loves cheap products from China no matter if they are produced by child slaves, and the destruction of our industries here at home. He never talks about the morals and consequences of that! You can't hand waive away supporting that reality in the name of "free trade".

    Yes, you are a globalist if you think USA must follow free trade principles while the rest of the world doesn't. That is exactly what the WTO is for, to take advantage of our completely open market to the detriment of all our industries and rip us off until there is nothing left, 100% consumerism economy. Again, Trump was the greatest threat to the WTO, he was using tariff strategies as leverage to get other countries to open up their markets and be more free trade at the other side of trade negotiations.
    That's it in a nutshell; "Fair Trade", an interventionists excuse to eliminate/interfere with free trade and bilateral agreements in order for a third party to profit.

    You thief you.
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  20. #137
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    I will tell you the same thing I told @Swordsmyth. My point is that Ron Paul and Rand Paul have taken the same position as @CCTelander on this and they clearly aren't globalists. Argue your position without the ad hominems. Are you even capapble of doing that?

    No, I don’t believe he is.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

  21. #138
    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    No, I don’t believe he is.
    Neither one is.

  22. #139
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    If you think the black market isn't managed by organized crime you are sadly mistaken.




    And neither Ron nor Rand support open borders like CCT does.
    But they are still supporting a globalist agenda in supporting free trade, they've been brainwashed on the topic like so many have been.
    LOL. So now Ron and Rand Paul are globalists? Whatever dude.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  23. #140
    This is so funny. Trumpkins always raise thie "We can't trade with communist China" argument while Trump makes so much crap in communist China.





    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  24. #141
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post


    LOL. So now Ron and Rand Paul are globalists? Whatever dude.

    And brainwashed. Don't forget brainwashed
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  25. #142
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    If you think the black market isn't managed by organized crime you are sadly mistaken.
    LOLOLOLOL

    Seriously??

    Dude, every garage sale is the black market. The mafia controls every transaction that doesn't get reported to the government?

    Give me a break. You say you're Christian but spend literally every morning here literally worshipping earthly "power". It's disturbing.

  26. #143
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    LOLOLOLOL

    Seriously??

    Dude, every garage sale is the black market. The mafia controls every transaction that doesn't get reported to the government?
    The "mafia" controlling the black market is the government that will shut down a little girl's lemonade stand.

    Give me a break. You say you're Christian but spend literally every morning here literally worshipping earthly "power". It's disturbing.
    I agree.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  27. #144
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    And brainwashed. Don't forget brainwashed
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to PAF again.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.



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  29. #145
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Neither one is.

    It’s a real tragedy how far the levels of discourse and civility have plummeted here since the rise of Trump.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

  30. #146
    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    It’s a real tragedy how far the levels of discourse and civility have plummeted here since the rise of Trump.
    Meh. It was brief anyway. It was just exactly as bad during both of Dr. No's campaigns. It's just that back then it was Obamabots worshipping earthly power.

  31. #147
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    My point is, it's impossible to have free trade when one party to the trade, fundamentally and systematically doesn't believe in reciprocal free trade, it's not fair trade. Trade is a two-way street after all.
    It doesn't matter what any other countries do. If China punishes its own citizens with tariffs and other restrictions on trade with Americans, that is no reason for our government to respond by punishing us with the same things.

    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    When Ron Paul talks about free trade and tariffs, he is talking about a utopian world where everyone practices free trade, and everyone has freedom like in the USA.
    No he isn't. He explicitly condemns the views you are espousing here.
    There is nothing to fear from globalism, free trade and a single worldwide currency, but a globalism where free trade is competitively subsidized by each nation, a continuous trade war is dictated by the WTO, and the single currency is pure fiat, fear is justified. That type of globalism is destined to collapse into economic despair, inflationism and protectionism and managed by resurgent militant nationalism.
    Ron Paul
    Congressional Record (March 13, 2001)

  32. #148
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Meh. It was brief anyway. It was just exactly as bad during both of Dr. No's campaigns. It's just that back then it was Obamabots worshipping earthly power.
    I think back then there was balance in the force between those on the left and those on the right. Now the leftists are all but gone leaving those in the center looking like leftists. And I say that with the full knowledge that some of what Trump proposes is actually leftist. Crazy world.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  33. #149
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    You're once again mistaking managed trade for free trade.
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    You are completely backwards. Do tell how do you have free trade with a communist country that prevents our companies from selling goods into China??? Literally bans all American ownership of companies in China. Their goal is to destroy our manufacturing base and the open borders, pro-slave labor, globalist free traders like you cheer about it.

    You confuse Ron and Rand speaking of philosophical principles, with what actually occurs in reality.

    BTW, Trump was the biggest threat to the WTO ever.
    The historical record shows that ideologies concerning trade are disconected from expected outcomes. There are false distinctions and incorrect assumptions, all argued by ideologues of laissez-faire and "free trade", and "managed" trade, but the outcomes are not causally connected, and the complex arangements within and between nations are misrepresented for political posturing, to gain votes, or advocate for wars, or colonize and subjugate both native and foreign populations, so that they are forcibly assimilated into the state or corporate hegemonies. The division between corporate and state hegemonies was and is over-emphasized by ideologues, to the extent that such advocates, while maintaining the veneer of intellectualism, always ended up presenting hypotheticals as truths, and disguised publicly bad outcomes as rising from "the other side", namely socialism or state entitlement programs, or any organized popular resisance to laissez-faire, which became necessary in all nations, after the exploitations and consolidations of wealth and power (resulting from laissez-faire capitalism) created the political need for lawful adjustments; thus, "free trade" and de-regulation of financial markets IS responsible for communism and socialism, because the populations subject to the unnatural consolidation of power and resources are unable to "compete" with the concentrated, amalgamated and international, indeed non-national, corporate oligarchy.

    For example, in the U.S., this consolidation of monetary power took hold especially after the Civil War. The carpetbaggers were mostly foreign, and the influence of foreign money into the whole country, gradually would displace the domestic wealth, and subvert it to the Londoners, namely the Jewish banking houses, who, with their American employees, were able to quickly usurp the American financial realm. This gilded age of "American" oligarchs was financed by foreign banks. The most wealthy were indeed parts of members of clubs directed by the Judeo-Masonic societies overseas. What kept Americans satisfied with their lives at the time was very unique and unrelated to the machinations of "free" markets - the vast territory of new land. So, the Homestaead Act made acquisition and settlement of these lands free to all Americans, while the railroads were being built and the Midwest settled to connect the coasts, but over the course of just a few decades, the concentration of wealth became so extreme that Americans demanded change, and those changes took the form of labour laws, rights for workers, and the anti-trust laws that sought to restrain the foreign capital from owning the whole country in just a handful of people, and also protectionism became popular, to protect American industry from the more advanced British and Germans, and try to keep people able to start businesses that could sustain commuities with local ownership.

    Still, it wasn't long before the foreign bankers were able to influence our weak, vulnerable Constitution and assail it with their own schemes, by directing their financial and criminal powers against our representatives and candidates, and continued to this day to employ this tactic, as it is the Achilles Heel of the Constitution, that the vicissitudes of elections and individuals are so great, yet, virtually all we have to protect the population, outside of the Bill of Rights (which may be exploited itself, ironically, to keep the takeover going), falls like a house of cards blown down by the free market globalist plutocracy. The outcome was never more obvious than when the Federal Reserve Act cemented the control of the Anglo-Judaic banking dynasty over our gullible and unsophisticated population by apparatchiks people actually voted for. This trend has been ongoing with only temporary resistance, quicky disposed of, for over 110 years since.

    Later, as the enemies of the Judeo-Masonic invisible empire became, via the captured U.S. government, "our" enemies, the country was used to project their desires over the world, in both World Wars and also in the Korean and Vietnam Wars, and the Cold War, and in countless regime-change operations and more recent wars in the Middle East and also in Eastern Europe which are ongoing to this day. Our ability to select representatives and candidates in this regard has been subjugated completely. The Achilles Heel, it broke, and it broke a long time ago. In times when it tried to mend, it was quicky hobbled again.

    So, back to the "free trade" outcomes, such as with China. In the 1990's, these international oligarchs moved into China and set up shop. Their corporations were listed as "American", but they were located in China. The cheap goods and cheap labour, and the disregad for environmental concerns, all contributed to the further consolidation of commerce and industry, and all forms of consumer-based acttivity, in the United States, changing us very significantly from a country with local and regionally-based businesses to a country where those are driven into bankruptcy, their assets picked up by the predator banks, and the megacorps take over all facets of our industrial and consumer landscape. What made it possible was "free trade", and de-regulation of protectionist laws, in the 1990's and early 00's.


    some background links:
    U.S. Trade Deals From the 90’s Set Up China as a Pollution Haven
    Even while trade agreements brokered under Clinton helped China's economy to boom and brought Americans cheap goods, both nations have paid dearly.
    https://insideclimatenews.org/news/0...llution-haven/
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreig...ublic_of_China
    US Exports to China 2023
    https://www.uschina.org/reports/us-exports-china-2023-0
    H R 4444 RECORDED VOTE 24-May-2000 5:41 PM QUESTION: On Passage
    BILL TITLE: To Authorize Extension of Nondiscriminatory Treatment (Normal Trade Relations Treatment) to the People’s Republic of China
    NOES 197 ---Paul
    https://clerk.house.gov/evs/2000/roll228.xml
    "When Sombart says: "Capitalism is born from the money-loan", I should like to add to this: Capitalism actually exists only in the money-loan;" - Theodor Fritsch

  34. #150
    ^^ tl;dr:

    Ideally, government is the last entity that should ever be let near management of trade.

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