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    The oficially **official** Vance vs. Walz "debate" thread

    Please try to contain your excitement.

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Watch Live: JD Vance and Tim Walz vice presidential debate, hosted by CBS News
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAGZGQg31hs
    {CBS News | 01 October 2024}

    Ohio Sen. JD Vance and Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz are facing off in their first vice presidential debate, hosted by CBS News, on Tuesday, Oct. 1. "CBS Evening News" anchor and managing editor Norah O'Donnell and "Face the Nation" moderator and CBS News chief foreign affairs correspondent Margaret Brennan are moderating the debate. Watch live coverage on CBS News 24/7 starting at 4 p.m. ET ahead of the debate, which will run from 9 p.m. to 10:30 p.m. ET.

    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 10-01-2024 at 05:18 PM.
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    I have no idea why any GOP, or Libertarian politician for that matter, would agree to participate in these dog and pony shows any more.

    They are not debates in any true sense of the word, they are nothing more than staged puppet shows designed by the Marxist media organs to generate negative sound bites and "gotchas" to be used against them.
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

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    Vance eat some fried chicken and claim it's a cat.

    Walz jump around and do weird moves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Intrepid View Post
    Vance eat some fried chicken and claim it's a cat.

    Walz jump around and do weird moves.
    That sounds way more interesting than what it will probably be.
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 10-01-2024 at 03:20 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    That's much more interesting than it will probably be.
    Speaking of weird moves, why is Trump still closing out his rallies with a song about cruising for young hommosexual men in NYC bathhouses in the 1970s?
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

    If America is only an idea, then there is no need for masses of immigrants to come here since they can just create the idea in their own countries. - Random Thought from the Interwebs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Speaking of weird moves, why is Trump still closing out his rallies with a song about cruising for young hommosexual men in NYC bathhouses in the 1970s?
    I’m in the dark about this one. Enlighten me!

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    Me too. I thought he had to stop using those two Village People songs.



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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    You know Waltz is going to bring up the cat thing!
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Speaking of weird moves, why is Trump still closing out his rallies with a song about cruising for young hommosexual men in NYC bathhouses in the 1970s?
    ???



    Seriously, considering that Ted Nugent and Kid Rock are Trump fans i'm not sure why he isn't exclusively using their music.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I have no idea why any GOP, or Libertarian politician for that matter, would agree to participate in these dog and pony shows any more.

    They are not debates in any true sense of the word, they are nothing more than staged puppet shows designed by the Marxist media organs to generate negative sound bites and "gotchas" to be used against them.
    Fundraising material. That's it.
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    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

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    This will be as interesting as a Pence/Kaine debate where you couldn't slip a feeler gauge between them when it comes to liberty issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Seriously, considering that Ted Nugent and Kid Rock are Trump fans i'm not sure why he isn't exclusively using their music.
    YES! Stranglehold!

    Here I come again now, baby
    Like a dog in heat
    You can tell it's me by the clamor now, baby
    I like to tear up the streets

    Now I been smokin' for so long
    You know I'm here to stay
    Got you in a stranglehold, baby
    You best get outta the way

    The road I cruise is a bitch now, baby
    But no, you can't turn me round
    And if a house gets in my way, baby
    You know I'll burn it down

    You ran the night that you left me
    You put me in my place
    I got you in a stranglehold, baby
    You better trust your fate
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    ???
    Not sure what the question is...

    Seriously, considering that Ted Nugent and Kid Rock are Trump fans i'm not sure why he isn't exclusively using their music.
    I've been saying that for months now.

    This is a pretty song, I don't care what anybody says, and much more touching than that Lee Greenwood song.



    "You can knock me down and watch me bleed but you can't put no chains on me"
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 10-01-2024 at 02:09 PM.
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    If America is only an idea, then there is no need for masses of immigrants to come here since they can just create the idea in their own countries. - Random Thought from the Interwebs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    YES! Stranglehold!

    Here I come again now, baby
    Like a dog in heat
    You can tell it's me by the clamor now, baby
    I like to tear up the streets

    Now I been smokin' for so long
    You know I'm here to stay
    Got you in a stranglehold, baby
    You best get outta the way

    The road I cruise is a bitch now, baby
    But no, you can't turn me round
    And if a house gets in my way, baby
    You know I'll burn it down

    You ran the night that you left me
    You put me in my place
    I got you in a stranglehold, baby
    You better trust your fate
    Yeah baby!

    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I've been saying that for months now.

    This is a pretty song, I don't care what anybody says, and much more touching than that Lee Greenwood song.

    Yeah...that works for a GOP rally. But imagine if he left to bawitdaba. (I still don't know what that means).



    Edit: I forgot this Kid Rock lyric.
    And this is for the questions that don't have any answers
    The midnight glancers, and the topless dancers
    The can of freaks, cars packed with speakers
    The G's with the forty's and the chicks with beepers
    The northern lights and the Southern Comfort
    And it don't even matter if your veins are punctured
    All the crackheads, the critics, the cynics
    And all my heroes at the methadone clinics
    All you bastards at the I.R.S
    For the crooked cops and the cluttered desks

    For the shots of Jack and the caps of meth
    Half pints of love and the fifths of stress
    All the hookers that are tricking out in Hollywood
    And for my hoods of the world misunderstood
    I said it's all good and it's all in fun
    Now get in the pit and try to love someone!
    Last edited by jmdrake; 10-01-2024 at 02:12 PM.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.



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    Quote Originally Posted by A. Havnes View Post
    I’m in the dark about this one. Enlighten me!
    YMCA has been a queeer anthem since the 1970s.

    The queeer scene in NYC in the 70s revolved around bathhouses and gyms, particularly the YMCAs and places like Plato's Retreat.

    That's what the song YMCA is about.
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 10-01-2024 at 03:20 PM.
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

    If America is only an idea, then there is no need for masses of immigrants to come here since they can just create the idea in their own countries. - Random Thought from the Interwebs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Me too. I thought he had to stop using those two Village People songs.
    IIRC, people were bitching at Village People about it, trying to get them to demand that the Trump campaign stop using their songs.

    But VP didn't have a problem with it. One of the band's members said they were just glad people were still hearing and enjoying their stuff.

    And good on them for it.

    (It's refreshing to encounter entertainers who actually understand what their proper place and role is.)
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 10-01-2024 at 03:19 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    IIRC, people were bitching at Village People about it, trying to get them to demand that the Trump campaign stop using their songs.

    But VP didn't have a problem with it. One of the band's members said they were just glad people were still hearing and enjoying their stuff.

    And good on them for it.

    (It's refreshing to encounter entertainers who actually understand what their proper place and role is.)
    Remember when Neil Young wanted his music off of Spotify because they allowed Joe Rogan to speak facts about COVID? Then he came crawling back?
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Remember when Neil Young wanted his music off of Spotify because they allowed Joe Rogan to speak facts about COVID? Then he came crawling back?
    My favorite example is all the bitching and moaning after the Reagan campaign started using Springsteen's Born in the U.S.A. at their campaign events for the '84 election.

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    [...]

    There were a lot of people who bitched about the Reagan campaign's use of the song in Reagan's second presidential bid - including Springsteen himself. But whoever it was in Reagan's camp who decided to use the song understood its appeal and why it was popular far, far better than all the people who bitched about how the "Reagan people" were too "stupid" to understand the song. On the contrary, they were not stupid at all. They understood how the mood of the song (if not every line of its lyrics) "fit" with the wider post-Vietnam zeitgeist of the '80s in general - and the Reagan campaign's "city on a hill" message in particular. While the disapproving sour-pusses were "technically" correct (with respect to how Springsteen had intended the song), they were utterly clueless (with respect to how the vast majority of the audience received the song).

    I often think of "Born in the USA" as Exhibit A in the case against the twin notions that (1) "artists" are the final arbiters of the meaning of their creations, and (2) audiences are (or should be) passive receptacles for whatever "wisdom" or meaning artists imagine they are expressing through their works.
    I remember seeing some "Top 20" or "Top 100" list on MTV or VH-1 in the early 2000s.

    One of the clips they played in relation to that song was Richard Belzer (an '80s stand-up comedian), who was still whinging about it nearly two decades later. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Please try to contain your excitement.
    At first glance, I read that wrong. Or maybe right...

    "Please try to contain your excrement."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    At first glance, I read that wrong. Or maybe right...

    "Please try to contain your excrement."
    Well, that too.
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

    If America is only an idea, then there is no need for masses of immigrants to come here since they can just create the idea in their own countries. - Random Thought from the Interwebs.

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    Watch Live: JD Vance and Tim Walz vice presidential debate, hosted by CBS News
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAGZGQg31hs
    {CBS News | 01 October 2024}

    Ohio Sen. JD Vance and Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz are facing off in their first vice presidential debate, hosted by CBS News, on Tuesday, Oct. 1. "CBS Evening News" anchor and managing editor Norah O'Donnell and "Face the Nation" moderator and CBS News chief foreign affairs correspondent Margaret Brennan are moderating the debate. Watch live coverage on CBS News 24/7 starting at 4 p.m. ET ahead of the debate, which will run from 9 p.m. to 10:30 p.m. ET.


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    I'm going to watch the Jimmy Dore's live debate coverage.

    That's the only way I can take this sh1t.



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    Not wasting my time watching that garbage.
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    Calvin Coolidge

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    This debate is going to be awesome!!!

    Vance is gonna crush Walz

    My bet is on a TKO by round 2
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    Not wasting my time watching that garbage.
    But it's a Reality TV Show. Why not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    But it's a Reality TV Show. Why not?
    I bet there's an alternate reality of Earth where Presidents are picked by actual reality tv show, with like 7 dudes and 7 chicks on an island all competing for the viewer's votes

    Not gonna lie I'd watch the $#@! out of that
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
    - Kim Kardashian

    Donald Trump / Crenshaw 2024!!!!

    My pronouns are he/him/his

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    Somebody might get kicked in the Walz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    I bet there's an alternate reality of Earth where Presidents are picked by actual reality tv show, with like 7 dudes and 7 chicks on an island all competing for the viewer's votes

    Not gonna lie I'd watch the $#@! out of that

    You mean the alternate reality where dudes are dudes and chicks are actually chicks? I'd watch it too!

    Though, that wouldn't happen here on earth. It would be some other planet or universe.
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