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    Iraqi Christians facing deportation feel conned by Trump: 'You vowed to protect us'

    If only they had been Ukrainians.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...n-conned-trump

    Trump administration wants to deport more than 1,400 Iraqi nationals, most of who are Chaldean – Iraqi Catholics who saw Trump as a ‘savior’ but now feel ‘betrayed’

    Tom Perkins in Detroit
    Wed 17 Jul 2019 02.00 EDT

    Ten years ago, police caught the Iraqi Chaldean immigrant Rani Yousuf with a small amount of marijuana. He completed probation, paid fines, and the conviction was dropped from his record when he turned 21.

    Still, earlier this year, Yousuf found his car surrounded by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice) officers who arrested him again over the charge. He sat for months in a Michigan county jail facing the prospect of deportation to Iraq, a country he left at four years old. He has no family there, doesn’t speak Arabic, and is part of a religious minority targeted by extremists.

    “As a Catholic who has tattoos of crosses, and Iraq being a Muslim country – they probably would kill me,” he said.

    Yousuf is one of over 1,400 Iraqi nationals who the Trump administration is attempting to deport. Most of those are Chaldean – Iraqi Catholics – living in metro Detroit, which holds the world’s largest Chaldean population outside of Iraq.

    The administration’s deportation efforts are viewed by many Chaldeans as a shocking “betrayal”, not least because many in the community have been enthusiastic supporters of Trump and voted for him in large numbers in 2016.

    The generally conservative community with between 70,000 and 80,000 voters went big for Trump in the 2016 election in a state that he won by only 10,000 votes. They did so after Trump portrayed himself as a “savior” who would stand up for persecuted Christians. “Chaldeans For Trump” signs appeared at Trump rallies and in lawns in Oakland county, a wealthy metro Detroit area where the community is concentrated.

    But just months into the Trump administration, Ice swept up 350 Chaldean men and Iraqi nationals. Now, some Chaldeans hold signs at protests reminding Trump “You vowed to protect us”.

    “Some people thought ‘Here comes Trump who’s talking a good game about Christians in the Middle East who are being persecuted,’” said Edward Bojoka, a Chaldean immigration attorney. “A lot of people in the Chaldean community jumped on that and said, ‘Oh, he’s on our side’, and … some people feel like they were conned.”


    But while there’s unanimous disappointment in the administration’s plan to deport Chaldeans, some Chaldean leaders say they still view Trump as a “friend”.

    Just months into the Trump administration, Ice swept up 350 Chaldean men and Iraqi nationals.
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    Just months into the Trump administration, Ice swept up 350 Chaldean men and Iraqi nationals. Photograph: Todd McInturf/AP
    Among those is Martin Manna, director of the Chaldean Foundation and publisher of the Chaldean News. He said that the political parties’ priorities force Chaldeans to navigate Washington in an unusual fashion – Republicans seem more interested than Democrats in protecting persecuted Christian communities abroad, but Democrats are more helpful on immigration issues.

    “People ask ‘How come you’re not denouncing Trump?’ We always say we need everyone … and we hope through communication with everyone we can find resolution,” he added.

    The Trump administration has deported about 130 Iraqis, and others were removed during the Obama administration.

    Ice repeatedly notes that those targeted have criminal records, but internal Ice emails obtained by the ACLU show Ice tactically targeted those with records first. It did so to “grease the skids” to more easily deport those with no criminal record later, said the Michigan ACLU attorney Miriam Aukerman, who is representing Iraqi nationals in a class action suit.

    Of the 1,400 Iraqi nationals with final deportation orders, about 800 have criminal records, and those with records were convicted of crimes ranging from minor offenses to more serious, violent charges, some of which occurred decades ago.

    The ACLU argues Iraqi nationals deserve new hearings in front of immigration judges because Iraq is far more dangerous than even a few years ago. Under US law, those who commit certain crimes can be deported, but the law also prohibits Ice from deporting individuals to countries where they will be tortured or killed.


    Aukerman said the vast majority of Iraqi nationals do receive new hearings because of the increased dangers and many are winning their cases.

    Much of Iraq is now lawless and Christian minorities are still persecuted – about 1.5 million Chaldeans lived in Iraq before the 2003 US invasion destabilized the country, and only about 250,000 remain.

    The risks are greatest for Americanized Chaldeans. Some arrived in the US as children in the 1980s or following the 1991 Gulf war. Many don’t speak Arabic and don’t have a passport or Iraqi identification. Some no longer have family in Iraq, and would arrive with little more than the clothes on their backs. Some are veterans or worked with the US military.

    “The reality is they cannot blend in any more in Iraqi society,” said Joseph Kassab, the Iraqi Christians Advocacy and Empowerment Institute’s founder. “They do not speak the Arabic language, and they can be easily identified for kidnapping, killing, or for other punishment.”

    The ACLU is attempting to track those deportees and found some have been beaten, shot, have disappeared, or are “holed up in homes with machine guns” on self-imposed house arrest, Aukerman said.

    So far, Iraq has largely refused to take deportees, effectively halting the process, but the US is putting diplomatic pressure on Baghdad to change course.

    There is precedent for halting the orders. The Trump administration granted a reprieve to Liberians facing a similar situation, and could do the same with Iraqis.

    In Congress, the Michigan Democrat Andy Levin and Republican John Moolenaar introduced legislation that would grant Iraqi nationals with orders of removal two years of relief from detainment and deportation while they await individual hearing

    Like others who made it in front of an immigration judge, Yousuf’s story had a happy ending – after months in Ice detention, his deportation order was canceled, he was released, and he ultimately ended up receiving citizenship. Still, the lives of most of those targeted by Ice have been “totally destroyed”, Bojoka said.

    “The family lost the breadwinner who is in jail awaiting deportation to a place where survival is unlikely,” he said. “That puts fear into the heart of anyone who is affected.”

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    He personally did it? or the deepstate permanent bureaucrats did it?

    What Trump actually did:

    President Trump heard on a flight to Michigan for a speech Thursday about the resurgent auto industry that his administration is deporting hundreds of the state’s Iraqi Christians who face persecution abroad — many of whom voted for him in his narrow victory there in 2016.

    By the time Air Force One landed in the battleground state, Mr. Trump had decided to take steps to allow the Chaldeans — Iraqi Catholics — to stay in the U.S.

    More at: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...n-chaldeans-i/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    He personally did it? or the deepstate permanent bureaucrats did it?

    What Trump actually did:

    President Trump heard on a flight to Michigan for a speech Thursday about the resurgent auto industry that his administration is deporting hundreds of the state’s Iraqi Christians who face persecution abroad — many of whom voted for him in his narrow victory there in 2016.

    By the time Air Force One landed in the battleground state, Mr. Trump had decided to take steps to allow the Chaldeans — Iraqi Catholics — to stay in the U.S.

    More at: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...n-chaldeans-i/
    I guess his ears to hear the pleas of the Chaldean Christians only worked in an election year? The deportations started months into his presidency.
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    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    I guess his ears to hear the pleas of the Chaldean Christians only worked in an election year? The deportations started months into his presidency.
    I guess he was quite busy with all the impeachments and other garbage thrown at him while trying to accomplish the good things he was able to do and was being told by ICE that they were cracking down and deporting foreign criminals.

    When he found out he did something about it.
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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    When he found out he did something about it.
    When?

    Published August 19, 2019 at 7:06 AM PDT
    Roland Lizarondo

    Earlier this month, Jimmy Aldaoud, a Chaldean man from Michigan, died shortly after being deported to Iraq. His family says it was because he lacked access to insulin there...
    https://www.kpbs.org/news/border-imm...orted-michigan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I guess he was quite busy with all the impeachments and other garbage thrown at him while trying to accomplish the good things he was able to do and was being told by ICE that they were cracking down and deporting foreign criminals.

    When he found out he did something about it.
    There were no impeachments going on in 2017 and 2018. In fact 2018 was a great year from Trump with the passage of the First Step Act. (Something I applaud). Yet he couldn't hear the pleas of the Iraqi Christians until the middle of a pandemic, with George Floyd protests sweeping the nation, and an election being much closer than what it would have been had it been held in 2018.

    This is what was going on in 2018.



    This is what was going on in 2020.

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    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    There were no impeachments going on in 2017 and 2018. In fact 2018 was a great year from Trump with the passage of the First Step Act. (Something I applaud). Yet he couldn't hear the pleas of the Iraqi Christians until the middle of a pandemic, with George Floyd protests sweeping the nation, and an election being much closer than what it would have been had it been held in 2018.

    This is what was going on in 2018.



    This is what was going on in 2020.

    The garbage thrown at him started on day 1 with the Russian collusion hoax and lots more.
    He heard about it when he heard about it, and then he did something about it.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The garbage thrown at him started on day 1 with the Russian collusion hoax and lots more.
    Victim cards. Prog style.

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    He heard about it when he heard about it, and then he did something about it.
    Don't know when. Don't know what. Don't know why he didn't make it his business to find out sooner.

    A statement of blind faith.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The garbage thrown at him started on day 1 with the Russian collusion hoax and lots more.
    He heard about it when he heard about it, and then he did something about it.
    Byllshyt. He only cared because it was 2020 and it was an election year.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Victim cards. Prog style.
    No, you are victim blaming in the true prog style.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    No, you are victim blaming in the true prog style.
    The victims here are the Iraqi Christians and to blame everthing on the Russia hoax is lame ASF. Again in 2018 Trump had a (short) honeymoon period where he absolutely could have addressed the Iraqi Christian deporatation issue if he wished. I already gave you the video where even Van Jones was praising Trump. You ignored that.
    Trump was under fire in 2020, but he addressed it then because it was an election year.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.



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