is he lying about springfield?Originally Posted by Sonny Tufts
is he lying about my home town
careful how you answer motherfucker
FLIP THOSE FLAGS, THE NATION IS IN DISTRESS!
why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).
The state's only purpose is to kill and control. Why do you worship it? - Sola_Fide
Baptiste said.
At which point will Americans realize that creating an unaccountable institution that is able to pass its liability on to tax-payers is immoral and attracts sociopaths?
"And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat
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"And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat
"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire
Hold up. Are you suggesting that he wasn't lying?
And what's this about being careful? What are you getting at?
Ron PaulThere is nothing to fear from globalism, free trade and a single worldwide currency, but a globalism where free trade is competitively subsidized by each nation, a continuous trade war is dictated by the WTO, and the single currency is pure fiat, fear is justified. That type of globalism is destined to collapse into economic despair, inflationism and protectionism and managed by resurgent militant nationalism.
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Is this a troll account?WHEN WILL KAMALA CARE ABOUT SPRINGFIELDS SOVIEGRNTY?
Looks like I fell for it.
Ron PaulThere is nothing to fear from globalism, free trade and a single worldwide currency, but a globalism where free trade is competitively subsidized by each nation, a continuous trade war is dictated by the WTO, and the single currency is pure fiat, fear is justified. That type of globalism is destined to collapse into economic despair, inflationism and protectionism and managed by resurgent militant nationalism.
Congressional Record (March 13, 2001)
I haven't seen a single person in this thread argue for a Kamala Harris win. That said...
God grant me the courage to change the things I can change....the serenity to accept the things I can't change...and the wisdom to know the difference.
I will sleep like a baby on November 5th.
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
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"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to jmdrake again."
Ron PaulThere is nothing to fear from globalism, free trade and a single worldwide currency, but a globalism where free trade is competitively subsidized by each nation, a continuous trade war is dictated by the WTO, and the single currency is pure fiat, fear is justified. That type of globalism is destined to collapse into economic despair, inflationism and protectionism and managed by resurgent militant nationalism.
Congressional Record (March 13, 2001)
How are we here just calmly discussing this while Haitians in Ohio are eating post-birth abortion babies?
See above.
Trump was overconfident. Just the fact alone that the Trump campaign agreed to the "rules" and venue for this debate proves that.
Trump thrives on an audience. He is a performer, like a stand-up comedian, and he needs the back and forth with an audience. How many POTUS debates don't have an audience? They took the biggest part of Trump's debate performances away from him. Then there is agreeing to the biased moderation. It just seems like Trump wings everything, and he takes every debate as an "ask me anything" kind of interview. He lets the opponent and the moderators drive the conversation.
Also, Trump's age is showing more and more. Anyone over 70 is going to have problems coming up quickly with words. When Trump is up against Biden, he looks good relative to a senile old man. But now Trump comes off as the old man.
In this scenario, who could argue that Vivek, Tulsi or DeSantis wouldn't have done a better job? They would have facts and figures, they would be more articulate, and they wouldn't be as susceptible to manipulation, baiting and allowing the opposition to fully control the direction of the debate.
All that being said, a debate at this point doesn't mean anything. Everyone has made up their minds. We know what the policies will be. None of that changes. An arm wrestling or acapella rendition of the national anthem contest would be just as relevant to the election.
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Come on man, is that as important as Trump being at the white supremacist meetings plotting how to put immigrant anchor babies back into their mothers so they can be deported?
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"Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
"Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
"Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul
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Oh, I disagree. This debate DOES mean something. You're right about people having already made up their minds, but this "election" isn't about the votes. It's about plausibility. And many Trump supporters came away from that scared. Why? Because now they think there's a chance they could lose. And that's what matters. Because if enough people think it's plausible, it gives the intel agencies free rein to rig the result.
Trump may salvage this yet, but he royally screwed up. Again.
"And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat
"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire
Ah yes, comrade. I had temporarily forgotten how democracy works in America.
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"Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
"Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
"Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul
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As distinct from whom?
How I wish Vivek or Tulsi had been on that debate stage! They would easily have dismantled Kamala, and one of them had already done so in the 2020 debates. Even so, with moderators like those two, it would be hard for either of them to maintain the upper hand, but I think they would've fared better than Trump did.
Trump speaks in generalities and uses grandiose, non-specific statements. It works great at rallies, but it comes across as weak compared to someone like Kamala, even as she name-drops neocons left and right and pretends she has real bipartisan support. I'm not saying Kamala came to this debate prepared and with facts, figures, and statistics in her back pocket, but her general wording and at least pretending to keep the focus on American people who really want the government to wriggle its tentacles into every facet of their lives made her seem personable and more eloquent than we've come to expect from her.
Harris won - by not losing. She didn't screw up in any major way.
Compared to Biden's performance in the previous "debate" (not a high bar), she was smooth, glib, and well-practiced - she didn't cackle even once (though several times she looked like she was on the verge of doing so).
A moment of honesty: I'm worried about where this is going. The very fact that Trump conceded to have this debate on ABC and get gang-stomped by the "moderator" and Kamala in absolute cahoots, shows that something isn't right. Trump literally dodged a bullet in Butler, PA but be honest: a network of actors who are desperate and capable enough to take a crack shot at a former US President and current Presidential candidate (and, by all rights, should have blown his head off) isn't going to stop after they miss, no matter how frustrated they may be at having missed the shot. Remember, just being able to set up a shot like that is practically impossible. No "lone 20-year-old gunman" could just "somehow" arrange to even get in position for a shot like that. So, whoever did that had not only the motive but also the means to create that opportunity. The debate was basically the verbal equivalent of an assassination in respect to how absolutely one-sided it was. Kamala came out looking rational. She did not come across as her usual airhead schtick. It doesn't matter how astroturfed it was behind the scenes, 90+% of Americans are utterly clued out to that kind of thing. All they see is the broadcast itself. Soviet propaganda works. That's how you get communism, duh, because the propaganda actually works. So, if you're pinning your hopes on Americans "seeing through the lies", I suspect you are in for a desperate disappointment. I don't know how this election will turn out, but I rate the chances of Trump winning fairly and the results being honestly acknowledged, to be less than 1%. The potshot in Butler, PA was a stretch-goal, meaning, it wasn't their main hope. Throwing the 2024 election is the main goal, their last line of defense. And if they throw this one again, 40+% of Americans will wake up to what's really going on. But this time, it really will be too late. All that is left to do is to pray...
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Presidential Debate in Philly: Behind the Scenes of the "Spin Room" with Michael Tracey
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=md52pfLkJZg
{Glenn Greenwald | 11 September 2024}
Presidential Debate in Philly: Kamala Sought Hillary's Advice, Remembering Biden's Fiasco, and More
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwfhqOw0erU
{Glenn Greenwald | 11 September 2024}
Presidential Debate Reaction: Glenn Reacts to ABC News Debate Between Kamala and Trump
https://rumble.com/v5ejj1e-unlocked-...ate-betwe.html
{Glenn Greenwald | 11 September 2024}
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Not from most politicians. But Trump takes lying to a much higher level, both in frequency and in narcissism.
We have long had death and taxes as the two standards of inevitability. But there are those who believe that death is the preferable of the two. "At least," as one man said, "there's one advantage about death; it doesn't get worse every time Congress meets."
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Absolutely. Democrats vote for authority, consensus and power. They never vote for candidates who play victim cards. Republicans vote for people who can stand up against adversity. They never vote for candidates who don't have victim cards to play.
Behold the debate where the moderators fact-checked one candidate and let the other lie her ass off (and lied when fact checking him). Behold the debate designed to change nobody's mind, but rather to leave literally everyone even more entrenched than before:
It doesn't even matter what these two mental midgets say at this point. It only matters how they get treated by the media.
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Per: https://www.livenowfox.com/news/who-won-the-debate-sept-10-2024-polls CNN and Newsweek polls both had Harris winning the debate. Fox poll had Trump winning.
Why don't Trump's supporters call him out on his somewhat lackluster debate performance? He needs accountability.
That's not what happened..
They were both walking out, and Kamala tried to walk over in front of Trump's podium to shake his hand, he pulled the alpha dog and turned and walked behind his podium and she had to completely change direction and walk behind his podium to meet him and shake his hand. Sure, he accepted, but it was her who initiated and was insistent on the hand shake.
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"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Trump lost.
Most politicians are as narcissistic and full of themselves as Trump is. He just wears it on his sleeve.Not from most politicians. But Trump takes lying to a much higher level, both in frequency and in narcissism.As distinct from whom?Because he's a chronic and habitual liar.
And if you really think most politicians lie significantly less frequently (or severely) than Trump does, then I don't know what to tell you.
But in any case, none of that has anything to do with why Trump was being subjected to on-the-spot "fact checks" while Harris was not. (Unless you're going to tell us that Trump's lies are somehow "extra-special" ones in urgent need of immediate correction, while Harris' lies are somehow not even worth bothering about at all, so she should get a pass).
If they're going to put on a show of calling one of these clowns out for his lies, then they should call the other clown out for her lies, too.
But they didn't, and they won't - and you know why as well as I and everyone else does.
They could not care less about politicians' lies (nor about their frequency or the narcissism motivating them). If Harris was even more the "higher level [...] frequen[t] [...] narcissis[tic]" liar than Trump, they wouldn't have done anything differently.
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Frankly I think Trump's narcissism is a boon sometimes.
It's gonna take someone who is a bit full of themselves to stand up to the deep state. It may not be Trump. It certainly isn't Kamala.
Let's pretend for example, that the alphabet agencies go around the world provoking undeclared wars to erupt. (They don't do that, of course, we're just pretending.) Let's pretend that Trump doesn't want a war, and he has the audacity to think he actually has any say in the matter. (All these top generals who Kamala likes to remind everyone of, who turned on Trump, for example, would prefer it if he just stepped back and let them conduct their wars, unimpeded). He sees them as an affront to his authority. His ego, gets in the way.
Trump wants to be seen as a 'deal maker'. He gets off on it. That's his whole thing. He might not even really care about the lives of Ukrainians or Russians being lost. He just wants to make 'good deals. Great deals! The greatest deal evuh.' (my Trump imitation needs work). It's all about him. 'It was me. ME ME ME ME ME. I made those great deals.'
And you know what? I don't really care. I just think we should stop funding the war in Ukraine, and Trump, is such a damned narcissist, he might actually make that happen. If someone tells him he can't do something (YoU cAn'T juSt NegOTiatE wiTh PuTIn!), it seems to motivate him to want to do it more. And he will, of course, be doing it, just so it'll be his name in the big lights. The whole world's eyes on Trump as he negotiates a historic peace agreement between the West and Russia.
He's a narcissist. So what?
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This is getting silly.T.S. Eliot's The Hollow Men
We Are Running Out of Time - Mini Me
I agree.
Also, "narcissistic" doesn't mean "not charismatic".
Beyond gratifying his own ego, Trump has no principles (as I've mentioned more than once elsewhere).
And that still puts him ahead of much of his political opposition, who have bad principles.
He may occasionally do the right thing - or at least, the not-(as-)wrong thing - if only incidentally or by happenstance.
Ask Sonny Tufts. He's the one who seems to think it justifies holding Harris less accountable for her lies than Trump for his.
Last edited by Occam's Banana; 09-11-2024 at 07:17 PM.
As long as Trump thinks actual good policies will draw crowds and cheers, he’s good for us. It’s a sad thing to say, though.
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"Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
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