Pollster warns Trump surging in swing states

[fisharmor]

Look, I want him to win, but damn he SUCKS!

I don't want him to win any more than I'd prefer prostate cancer to lymphoma. Oh sure if I have to take one the choice is obvious, but I'm sick and tired being the only person apparently on the entire planet taking the time to wonder how we got forced to choose a cancer, being one of about three people even talking about it, and refusing to play.

[CaptUSA]

I don't want him to win any more than I'd prefer prostate cancer to lymphoma. Oh sure if I have to take one the choice is obvious, but I'm sick and tired being the only person apparently on the entire planet taking the time to wonder how we got forced to choose a cancer, being one of about three people even talking about it, and refusing to play.

Go ahead and refuse to play if that's the way you want to play it (see how you're still playing? "if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice")

I won't disparage anyone for their strategy here. But we WILL have an administration setting rules and spending our money next year. I'm not a "lesser of two evils" type of person, but I know which administration will have a better chance of causing the machine heartache.

[PAF]

Go ahead and refuse to play if that's the way you want to play it (see how you're still playing? "if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice")

That is talk of a slave. But, ok.

I won't disparage anyone for their strategy here. But we WILL have an administration setting rules and spending our money next year. I'm not a "lesser of two evils" type of person, but I know which administration will have a better chance of causing the machine heartache.

IOW, you are a "lesser of two evils" type of person.

Rainbow Flag Genocide Vs MAGA Hat Genocide
By Caitlin Johnstone


I talk about the US election not because I think it matters but to stress the fact that it doesn’t. This fake charade that consumes all political oxygen every four years will result in no meaningful changes to the behavior of the globe-spanning empire centralized around Washington.

So long as Americans are looking to their electoral system to address the murderousness, tyranny and injustice of their government, that murderousness, tyranny and injustice will continue. The first step to escaping from a burning building is to stop pushing on the fake fire exit that’s been painted on the wall. These fake elections are there to keep you trapped in the burning building. The real exit lies elsewhere.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2024/09/...-hat-genocide/

[jmdrake]

The USA of 1984 is dead and long gone.

Are you sure about that?

[CaptUSA]

IOW, you are a "lesser of two evils" type of person.

[INDENT]
Rainbow Flag Genocide Vs MAGA Hat Genocide
By Caitlin Johnstone

I talk about the US election not because I think it matters but to stress the fact that it doesn’t. This fake charade that consumes all political oxygen every four years will result in no meaningful changes to the behavior of the globe-spanning empire centralized around Washington.

So long as Americans are looking to their electoral system to address the murderousness, tyranny and injustice of their government, that murderousness, tyranny and injustice will continue. The first step to escaping from a burning building is to stop pushing on the fake fire exit that’s been painted on the wall. These fake elections are there to keep you trapped in the burning building. The real exit lies elsewhere.

Two things can be simultaneously true. First, this two party system is corrupt to its core and elections are not going to fix it. Secondly, that one of these two parties IS GOING to be making decisions and hiring people and setting administrative policies that WILL affect our lives.

So, while we're working on the first part, it does us no additional harm to try to leverage the second part as a way to break down the barriers of the first part.

Remember, one of these administrations is going to have executive power for the next 4 years - that harm is already baked in. It's going to happen no matter who you vote for or if you don't vote at all. So, I'm taking that as a given and looking down at the second layer and asking myself, which administration gives us a possibility of throwing a monkey wrench into the cogs of the machine. Will it destroy the entire machine?! You'd have to be an idiot to expect that! But can it cause damage and fault lines that people will notice? There's a chance.

Thinking that voting is some magic tool, rather than simply casting your lot, is just silly. If you don't want to cast a lot, or you want to write-in Ron Paul (like I usually do), or whatever else, that's great! But I'm taking a different tack.

[PAF]

But I'm taking a different tack.

No, actually, you are taking the same track that has gotten us to where we are today. Nothing new there.

But, whatever enables you to sleep at night. I know many a folk who get sever jitters at just the thought of not voting. It's been ingrained into them since the beginning of skool.


Keep on keepin' on Capt, your "track" is going to save us! I can't wait!

[CaptUSA]

No, actually, you are taking the same track that has gotten us to where we are today. Nothing new there.

But, whatever enables you to sleep at night. I know many a folk who get sever jitters at just the thought of not voting. It's been ingrained into them since the beginning of skool.


Keep on keep on Capt, your "track" is going to save us! I can't wait!

Man, you really put a lot of importance on voting. I harbor no illusions that voting (or not voting) will save anything. That's not how our system works. But there is an opportunity, if enough people want to, to throw a monkey wrench into the cogs of the machine. It won't bring the whole machine down, but it'll upset the machine operators. That's worth 15 minutes of my day.


ETA: I think what's really behind this is that you think not voting gives you some moral high ground and I'm threatening that concept of yourself. But really, you can do whatever makes you feel good. I'm just saying that just because everyone doesn't come to your same conclusion doesn't mean that they've been duped.

[PAF]

But there is an opportunity, if enough people want to, to throw a monkey wrench into the cogs of the machine.

Spending another $8+ Trillion is a monkey wrench? Into the cogs of the machine?

I can't wait!!!

Let's all give consent!!!

[acptulsa]

When the GOP -- and especially the RNC -- hands you a "monkey wrench" on a silver salver and says, "Here, chuck this in The Machine™ with our compliments!" you know what will be on that platter.



Not worth getting upset over either way. There are about a million better ways to introduce wrenches into the system than voting in this farcical psyop masquerading as an election.

[PAF]

there is an opportunity, if enough people want to, to throw a monkey wrench into the cogs of the machine.

When the GOP -- and especially the RNC -- hands you a "monkey wrench" on a silver salver and says, "Here, chuck this in The Machine™ with our compliments!" you know what will be on that platter.



Not worth getting upset over either way. There are about a million better ways to introduce wrenches into the system than voting in this farcical psyop masquerading as an election.

I'm still trying to figure out how any presidential candidate [an ex who actually enacted travel bans] who brags about Nationalized "Stop and Frisk" and LEO Immunity, paid for by U.S. tax payers, isn't STONED OFF THE STAGE.

[fisharmor]

Man, you really put a lot of importance on voting. I harbor no illusions that voting (or not voting) will save anything. That's not how our system works.

We're already seeing reports pouring in about how the cheat is getting set up.
Wisconsin has a loophole that is still auto-sending 144,000 ballots to people who are "confined" due to covid, which sidesteps the requirement to show ID. That's just the last example I read.
The two biggest cities in Wisconsin are democrat strongholds and they're actively encouraging their "electorate" to use this loophole.
If you and I and PAF and everyone we could identify who is sick of this got everyone they know who is sick of this and got them to get everyone they know who is sick of this and got everyone they know who is sick of this all to move to Wisconsin in time to register to vote, we wouldn't even put a dent in that number just in that ONE cheat vector in that ONE state.

TBH at this point I blame Brandon Herrera, and I am going to try to find a way to tell him at some point. Because every 20 years or so someone happens to slip into an election in a district that doesn't have its cheat code 100% enabled and is able to get within spitting distance of not losing (and still lose) and the rest of the country turns into Charlie Brown kicking at that football again.

There is no strategy for winning 3-card monte. You're either the dealer, the plant, or the rube who is given small intentional victories prior to really getting fleeced. During the next four years under president Harris, we'll have a short time to get people to try to realize that before we're black-bagged for talking about it, and frankly, it's a bit frustrating to see people who should know better still not getting it.

[acptulsa]

[CaptUSA]

Not worth getting upset over either way. There are about a million better ways to introduce wrenches into the system than voting in this farcical psyop masquerading as an election.

I'm still trying to figure out how any presidential candidate [an ex who actually enacted travel bans] who brags about Nationalized "Stop and Frisk" and LEO Immunity, paid for by U.S. tax payers, isn't STONED OFF THE STAGE.

Gentlemen, please take a listen to this: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...-Thomas-Massie

I'm not trying to convince you that you should vote. I am only trying to convince you that other good people can see some value that you may be missing.

[PAF]

Gentlemen, please take a listen to this: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...-Thomas-Massie

I'm not trying to convince you that you should vote. I am only trying to convince you that other good people can see some value that you may be missing.

I listened to that interview. IMO, Tom is trying to slowly acclimate Nicole and the voting viewers. He understands that they are not going to suddenly stop voting, and it wouldn't matter if they did/didn't. IMO, he is trying to educate her and the masses about the fundamental problems that we face, and he doesn't want to alienate them.

Tom has said numerous times: "Noncompliance is more effective than voting."

You being more awake should know that by now. You are not in kindergarten, or need to be lead by baby-steps. Or, maybe you do lol


Your guy should have been "Stoned Off The Stage".

[CaptUSA]

I listened to that interview. IMO, Tom is trying to slowly acclimate Nicole and the voting viewers. He understands that they are not going to suddenly stop voting, and it wouldn't matter if they did/didn't. IMO, he is trying to educate her and the masses about the fundamental problems that we face, and he doesn't want to alienate them.

Tom has said numerous times: "Noncompliance is more effective than voting."

You being more awake should know that by now. You are not in kindergarten, or need to be lead by baby-steps. Or, maybe you do lol


Your guy should have been "Stoned Off The Stage".

Once again... "My guy" isn't running.

Also, once again... There are WAY more effective avenues than voting.

Also, also, once again... There IS going to be an administration running the agencies the next four years. There is a chance that the heads of these departments are gone and that the new heads could be chosen in part by RFK, Tulsi, and others. Placing a single lot on that side of the scale makes an infinitely small more of an impact than keeping my lot in my pocket. Neither option is doing much, but in the aggregate, both will have a greater impact than rewarding the incumbents.

[nobody's_hero]

Something seems to be scaring all the neocons back to the left (from whence they came).

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/ar...-kamala-harris

These are not people who have abandoned their conservative principles. Certainly not former Minnesota Governor Arne Carlson, who last month said in an opinion piece that “the Republican Party will continue its obedience to Trump and destroy our democracy.” Nor Mesa, Arizona Mayor John Giles, who co-chairs Republicans for Harris. Nor Jim McCain, son of late Arizona Senator John McCain, the 2008 Republican presidential nominee. Nor former Wyoming Representative Liz Cheney, daughter of former Vice President Dick Cheney and vocal Trump critic, who on Wednesday announced that she will vote for Harris. Cheney, whose criticism of the former president’s efforts to overturn the 2020 election and vote to impeach him cost her her seat, said it wasn’t enough to not vote for Trump.

“It is crucially important for people to recognize — not only is what I’ve just said about the danger that Trump poses something that should prevent people from voting for him, but I don’t believe we have the luxury of writing in candidates’ names, particularly in swing states,” Cheney said during an appearance at Duke University.

Her father, who served two terms under President George W. Bush, said Friday that he also plans to vote for Harris.

“In our nation’s 248-year history, there has never been an individual who is a greater threat to our republic than Donald Trump,” former Vice President Cheney said in a statement. “He tried to steal the last election using lies and violence to keep himself in power after the voters had rejected him. He can never be trusted with power again.

“As citizens, we each have a duty to put country above partisanship to defend our Constitution. That is why I will be casting my vote for Vice President Kamala Harris,” he said.

I mean, that's worth a vote, to me. The sooner we can boot these neocons back to the left, the sooner the GOP could be viable as an opposition party.

(and if that doesn't work, well, we haven't really lost anything we weren't going to lose anyway, now have we?)

[PAF]

Once again... "My guy" isn't running.

Yes he is. A cast for him and not for Kamala means he is your guy. No need to be in the closet about it, whatever you want to do is fine by me.

Also, once again... There are WAY more effective avenues than voting.

Yet, you never seem to ever promote or advocate them. Or even suggest other ways.

Also, also, once again... There IS going to be an administration running the agencies the next four years. There is a chance that the heads of these departments are gone and that the new heads could be chosen in part by RFK, Tulsi, and others. Placing a single lot on that side of the scale makes an infinitely small more of an impact than keeping my lot in my pocket. Neither option is doing much, but in the aggregate, both will have a greater impact than rewarding the incumbents.

"Repeal and Replace" gives you a sense of hope as it entrenches deeper into our lives. That's all well and good if that's what you want. For me the one and only solution is to eliminate the agencies/departments, but that is never going to happen simply because:


Your guy should have been "Stoned Off The Stage" which would have shown a glimmer of hope among the people, but instead is seen as the choice and better alternative.

[acptulsa]

Something seems to be scaring all the neocons back to the left (from whence they came).

They're just trying to convince people the GOP is now suddenly friendly to humans.

I mean, that's worth a vote, to me. The sooner we can boot these neocons back to the left, the sooner the GOP could be viable as an opposition party.

(and if that doesn't work, well, we haven't really lost anything we weren't going to lose anyway, now have we?)

The DNC is committing suicide. The GOP will soon be the only face of the Uniparty.

Opposition? Criminal. Soon everyone will pay lip service to the GOP. We won't have a choice.

Yeah, Harris is worse. By design. The only person who could possibly be worse than Trump would have to be paid, because that takes a lot of work and self-humiliation.

You laugh, but Trump should be up by 30 points in every swing state. The economy is in ruins, foreign policy is a disaster, invaders are flooding our borders, they tried to kill Trump and couped Biden, the dollar has never been more in jeopardy, and Kamala is an obvious puppet of the machine. And yet, it's still close. Because Trump SUCKS!

Look, I want him to win, but damn he SUCKS!

The Election to End All Elections. They're trying to make us sick of (the pretense of) representative government.

[Anti Federalist]

I don't want him to win any more than I'd prefer prostate cancer to lymphoma. Oh sure if I have to take one the choice is obvious, but I'm sick and tired being the only person apparently on the entire planet taking the time to wonder how we got forced to choose a cancer, being one of about three people even talking about it, and refusing to play.

We got here because we're weak.

Because we, as American men, refused to face the problems and enemies of the republic head on and identify those problems as enemies, without hesitation.

I'm not bashing you, that is a self indictment more than anything else.

[PAF]

We got here because we're weak.

Because we, as American men, refused to face the problems and enemies of the republic head on and identify those problems as enemies, without hesitation.

I'm not bashing you, that is a self indictment more than anything else.

Weak in what sense? If you are referring to standing firm on principles and defending our Natural Rights, yes, I agree.

But voting to have them taken away while taking to the streets with arms because "other" doesn't seem like a tough-guy solution to me.

I think the first thing people should do before taking arms is to actually read the Bill of Rights and decide whether they like them or not.

[Anti Federalist]

Weak in what sense? If you are referring to standing firm on principles and defending our Natural Rights, yes, I agree.

That is exactly what I mean.

I think the first thing people should do before taking arms is to actually read the Bill of Rights and decide whether they like them or not.

Most people do not know 1 out of 10

[PAF]

That is exactly what I mean.

Most people do not know 1 out of 10

And yet the republican nominee wasn't literally "Stoned Off the Stage", but instead is seen as the one who needs to get elected because "other". Go figure.

I guess if/when it comes down to it, I'll be defending myself against the left and "your side". Because I can't stand either of you nationalist-communists.

[acptulsa]

I guess if/when it comes down to it, I'll be defending myself against the left and "your side". Because I can't stand either of you [nationalist]-communists.

I haven't forgotten who financed the creation of The Jab.

No confidence.

[PAF]

I haven't forgotten who financed the creation of The Jab.

No confidence.

I keep thinking, when people stop voting, and the government fears the People. But it ain't gonna happen because @CaptUSA and @Anti Federalist don't have the stomach for it.

Pepto Bismol, until the next election, anybody?

[CaptUSA]

I keep thinking, when people stop voting, and the government fears the People.

Please provide evidence that this will do anything. They stopped voting in Ukraine - do you think the Ukrainian government fears its people?

I work tirelessly against the leadership of the Depts of Energy and Transportation. My vote at the polls matters very little, but the people who are assigned to run those organizations matter a great deal. Granholm and Buttigieg or Secs selected with the help of RFK, Tulsi, etc.??? Heck, even Rick Perry was VASTLY better than Granholm. What about the Court? Gorsuch or Ketanji?

It's very easy to sit back and say you don't care which people are running what, or that there shouldn't even be this department or that, and I'd probably agree with you on the latter. But in the real world, there will be people in these positions making decisions that affect your life. My vote won't decide which people get to decide, but I don't think that casting a lot is any worse than abstaining.

[Occam's Banana]

I don't think that casting a lot is any worse than abstaining.

It's not - and abstaining is not any worse than casting a lot.

Neither merely voting nor merely not voting is of any real importance, significance, or consequence.

But the pro-voting cultists have to fetishize voting, and the anti-voting cultists have to fetishize not voting.

Both groups need heretics and infidels to decry and castigate, so they can feel the rush of zealous self-righteousness.

[Anti Federalist]

I keep thinking, when people stop voting, and the government fears the People. But it ain't gonna happen because @CaptUSA and @Anti Federalist don't have the stomach for it.

Pepto Bismol, until the next election, anybody?

Pick up a rifle...you first.

[Anti Federalist]

It's not - and abstaining is not any worse than casting a lot.

Neither merely voting nor merely not voting is of any real importance, significance, or consequence.

But the pro-voting cultists have to fetishize voting, and the anti-voting cultists have to fetishize not voting.

Both groups need heretics and infidels to decry and castigate, so they can feel the rush of zealous self-righteousness.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Occam's Banana again.

I don't feel any rush however...I realize that either way, it's of little significance.

[PAF]

Pick up a rifle...you first.

Why?

Is that going to stop the multinational-corporatists from sending lobbyists in, which provide vaccines to mothers because they trust the government with their own kids? What about the thousands upon thousands of employees who make their bread and butter to feed their families by making parts for the MIC? Who should I hit first???

I'd rather gnaw a few wings to the bone and argue with you who's going to pick up the tab lol

[Occam's Banana]

I don't feel any rush however...I realize that either way, it's of little significance.

That's because you're not one of the pro-voting (or anti- voting) cultists.

You seem to be able to take it or leave it - and allow others to do the same (without feeling the need to hector them for doing - or not doing - one or the other).