GA - Four confirmed dead in school shooting

[TheCount]

Isn't the whole point of interest of someone who shot a bunch of people randomly what their motivations were and what type of circumstances caused it?

Everyone will get offended if I give a direct explanation, so I'll just show examples instead.

1. Black guy shoots homeless people on a train.

How does that get reported / discussed on RPF? Is "the whole point of interest the motivations and circumstances behind it?"

No. It is reported as a fact, the primary theme is that he's black, and the implication is that the man's blackness is the cause of the shooting. Nobody's asking what happened in his life that led to this.


2. White guy shoots white kids in a school.

Now people want to talk about motivation and circumstances.

There must be something about a white person that leads them to murder: oh he's gay, he's trans, he's defective in some way. He must be other, because none of "us" would do that.

What could have led this poor white kid to do such a thing? Was he bullied? Maybe it was his broken home, his mother's criminal record... it's not because he's white...

[Anti Federalist]

Last point. I see you didn't even bother to answer this question. I'll ask it again. Would you rather have your children taught by Thomas Sowell, who is still alive and is black, or by Bill Clinton or George Stephanopolus, who are white?

And you didn't bother with two of my questions...

Thomas Sowell, of course.

[Anti Federalist]

Everyone will get offended if I give a direct explanation, so I'll just show examples instead.

1. Black guy shoots homeless people on a train.

How does that get reported / discussed on RPF? Is "the whole point of interest the motivations and circumstances behind it?"

No. It is reported as a fact, the primary theme is that he's black, and the implication is that the man's blackness is the cause of the shooting. Nobody's asking what happened in his life that led to this.


2. White guy shoots white kids in a school.

Now people want to talk about motivation and circumstances.

There must be something about a white person that leads them to murder: oh he's gay, he's trans, he's defective in some way. He must be other, because none of "us" would do that.

What could have led this poor white kid to do such a thing? Was he bullied? Maybe it was his broken home, his mother's criminal record... it's not because he's white...

If the ratios of blacks committing murder and whites committing murder were even close, then you would have a case that there were inaccurate or unfair assumptions being made about "root causes".

But they are not, the ratios are not even close.

[TheCount]

If the ratios of blacks committing murder and whites committing murder were even close, then you would have a case that there were inaccurate or unfair assumptions being made about "root causes".

But they are not, the ratios are not even close.

I'm glad to hear that you do not disagree with my description of your assumptions.

Ratios have nothing to do with anything that I said.

[Valli6]

I don't see much significance in the neighbor saying she'd never seen the kid before because:

1. The kids were being moved around due to the parents splitting up and changing homes
2. School only just started
3. According to family members he'd been depressed and suicidal for months, so he wouldn't have been out playing in the yard where you would see him.
4. When did he bleach his hair? Would she have noticed him with brown hair? Is it the bleaching that made him suddenly stand out?

[jmdrake]

And you didn't bother with two of my questions...

Thomas Sowell, of course.

Sorry. Which two specifically? I know I answered your question about the white transgender teacher verses the picture of the black man studying with the child. The question itself is incompent because there are black transgenders and straight white people. What's the other question? And what do any of your question have to do with school shootings?

[Anti Federalist]

Sorry. Which two specifically? I know I answered your question about the white transgender teacher verses the picture of the black man studying with the child. The question itself is incompent because there are black transgenders and straight white people.

If HBCU students do much better at all black colleges, why would they not do better at all black high schools and grammar schools?

The other was not so much a question but a comment on the number of black mass shooters compared to white mass shooters, as I dig deeper in the GVA records of mass shootings that you posted.

[Anti Federalist]

I'm glad to hear that you do not disagree with my description of your assumptions.

Ratios have nothing to do with anything that I said.

Maybe not with what you said, but the reason why the things occurred that formed your comment are certainly based on rations and proportionality.

Ratios are critical, if the ratio of population to mass shooters (or murders of any kind) were the same between black and white, then obviously there would be no argument to made.

But they are far from the same.

[Valli6]

This article comes from the Washington Post. Who can say how much of it's accurate?
"Gay" has nothing to do with this story.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/inves...other-warning/

Mother of Georgia suspect is said to have called school before shooting, warning of ‘emergency’
The mother of the suspected Apalachee High School gunman said that she called the school on the morning of the shooting and warned a counselor about an “extreme emergency.”
By Sarah Blaskey and*Teo Armus
September 7, 2024 at 5:38 p.m. EDT

The mother of the suspected Apalachee High School gunman told family members that she called the school on the morning of the shooting and warned a counselor about an “extreme emergency” involving her 14-year-old son, according to text messages obtained by The Washington Post and an interview with a family member.

That account is supported by a call log from the family’s shared phone plan, which shows a 10-minute call from the mother’s phone to the school starting at 9:50 a.m. — about a half-hour before witnesses have said the gunman opened fire.

“I was the one that notified the school counselor at the high school,” Marcee Gray texted her sister following the shooting on Sept. 4, according to a screenshot of the exchange. “I told them it was an extreme emergency and for them to go immediately and find [my son] to check on him.”

A counselor told Gray during the call that her son had been talking about a school shooting that morning, according to Gray’s sister, Annie Brown, who described family discussions of the events to The Post.

Around the same time, a school administrator went to the son’s math classroom, according to Lyela Sayarath, a student in the class. Sayarath said there seemed to be confusion involving another student in the class with a name similar to that of Gray’s son. Neither student was in the room, and the official left with a backpack belonging to the similarly named student, she said. The shooting began minutes later.

Barrow County School System Superintendent Dallas LeDuff did not answer detailed questions from The Post and told reporters to instead contact law enforcement. “Our focus is currently on healing our community and supporting our students during this incredibly difficult time,” he wrote in an email...

...Representatives of the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, the agency overseeing the investigation into the shooting, and of the Barrow County Sheriff’s Office declined to answer questions and referred The Post to the Piedmont Judicial Circuit District Attorney’s Office. District Attorney Brad Smith did not respond to requests for comment....

...Brown said her sister called the school after she learned something concerning about her son and feared an “impending disaster.” Brown said in the interview she did not know details about what her sister had learned or how.

Brown previously told The Post that her nephew had spent months “begging” for mental health help, and that the “adults around him failed him.” His struggles were complicated by a difficult home life, she said.

The suspect’s mother in December pleaded guilty to a charge of family violence and was ordered to have only limited contact with Colin Gray, her husband and the suspected shooter’s father, according to court records. In 2022, the Grays were evicted from their home and the suspect’s mother and father separated, according to law enforcement records. The family has also had contacts with Georgia’s child welfare agency, authorities have said...

The week before the shooting, the teen’s grandmother, Deborah Polhamus, had met with a school counselor to request help for him, The Post has previously reported. He “starts with the therapist tomorrow,” Polhamus wrote in a text message to Brown after that meeting.

It’s not clear whether the suspect attended that therapy session. Polhamus has not responded to The Post’s requests for comment.

In an Aug. 29 text with a family member, Brown said she was hopeful about plans the family had made with the school to get her nephew into therapy. She also raised concerns about her nephew’s access to guns in the home.

“He has been having homicidal and suicidal thoughts, he shouldn’t have a gun, and he should’ve been in THERAPY months ago,” Brown wrote. She wrote that she had previously tried to get him into therapy without success.

After the shooting at Apalachee, the suspect’s mother expressed frustration that the school had not prevented the tragedy, text messages show. The amount of time that elapsed between her warning to the counselor about her son and the first shots fired was “just a long time for them to intervene so I’m curious to know what happened in that time,” she wrote to Brown, according to a screenshot of the message.

According to a student witness:

Sayarath, 16, who previously spoke with CNN about her experience, told The Post she was in her second-period algebra class shortly after 10 a.m. Wednesday morning when an administrator came looking not for Colt Gray — Sayarath’s seat neighbor — but for another student who sat nearby and had a similar name.

It is not clear what prompted the administrator’s visit and whether the call from Marcee Gray played a role.

That student had gone to the bathroom, the algebra teacher told the administrator, Sayarath said. The student’s red and black backpack was still in the classroom, and the administrator took it with her when she left.

In that moment, Colt Gray was also not in the classroom. He had left, Sayarath said.

Shortly after, the student with a similar name returned with his backpack in hand, Sayarath said. He told her that an adult in the hallway had asked him about a first-period teacher he didn’t have, and that he believed that the adult may have been looking for Colt Gray.

Not long afterward, a voice came over the intercom asking the teacher to check her email, according to Sayarath. The teacher walked to her computer, then continued going over algebra problems. Moments later, Colt Gray approached the classroom and the teacher said up to the intercom, “Oh, he’s here,” Sayarath recalled.

Another student was about to open the door to let him inside, but then noticed he had a gun and stepped back in alarm, Sayarath said. The door was locked, and the armed teen could not get into the classroom. Sayarath heard the first shots seconds later.

Rabecca Sayarath, Lyela’s mother, drove to Apalachee as soon as she got a call from her daughter about the shooting as it unfolded.

That evening, Sayarath tried to ask about her daughter’s account at a news conference with law enforcement officials, and she made a number of assertions about the suspect’s behavior and the school’s response. Without being specific, Barrow County Sheriff Jud Smith said she had “wrong information.”...

[jmdrake]

If the ratios of blacks committing murder and whites committing murder were even close, then you would have a case that there were inaccurate or unfair assumptions being made about "root causes".

But they are not, the ratios are not even close.

The ratios of school shootings are not close because they are overwhelmingly white people killing white people. Most of the cases of black people killing white people are crime related. (Drug deals going bad, car jackings etc). It's not some random black person walking into a church and opening fire for....reasons. Not saying that never happens, but it's not typical. Nobody on this forum was trying to make this story about white people until you tried to make it about black people by talking about a totally unrelated shooting and falsely claiming that shooting wasn't getting national coverage when it fact it is.

[jmdrake]

If HBCU students do much better at all black colleges, why would they not do better at all black high schools and grammar schools?

What the hell does that have to do with school shootings? Answer, absolutely positively nothing. That said, HBCUs don't have to deal with teacher's unions. I remember when Don Seigalman was running for governer of Alabama at the time. He actually showed up at my HBCU and nobody was there but me. So he asked me what I would like to see happen for our state. I told him "Do something about K-12 education." He was like "I hadn't thought about that. That's a good idea." He ended up running on an education platform, got elected, and tried to do statewide education reform. The teachers union, which was run by white Paul Hubbard, killed the plan. Mr. Hubbard later ran for governor himself and (thankfully) lost. Most of the Birmingham city K-12 schools are black with an almost completely black student body and almost completely black staff. Why is that? Because the white people broke off from Birmiingham, have their own schools, mayors, police force etc. They thought they were being smart, but they were really being stupid. @Matt Collins posted a video recently about the differnces economically between Nashville and Memphis and one of the key differences is Nashville, like Atlanta, has a countywide metropolitian government where as Memphis is a city with a lot of surrounding smaller cities split mostly among racial lines that duplicate all of the services and siphon off the tax base. So Birmingham all black city schools suck and Memphis all black city schools suck. My cousin was a principal at one of those all black schools, ironically named "Robert E. Lee middle school", and through a series of innovations she managed to have her school lbe the only Birmingham school on grade level that was not a magnet school or a charter school. And she had to deal with the teacher's union crap too. So, your question simply isn't intelligent. What you crave so badly, segregated schools, already exists in much of the south. If a black family happens to move into a neighborhood with a mostly white public school, by law their children can't be kept out, but you don't have a lot of white families moving in to the inner city. Even poor whites typically go for trailers in rural areas, though I have met poor whites in the projects at least in Nashville. When I drove the church van at one point I was picking up a members of a poor white family in the projects and them to a black church and yet I noticed they had a confederate flag in their living room. It takes all kinds I guess. Some chick in HS who wanted to date me didn'r realize how much she turned me off with her confedate flag waving. I guess you can be thankful I don't have some mixed race kids like Clarence Thomas. Oh wait. He only had a child with his black wife. I guess he's okay.

The other was not so much a question but a comment on the number of black mass shooters compared to white mass shooters, as I dig deeper in the GVA records of mass shootings that you posted.

I haven't had time to go through all of those records but the vast majority of them don't have race. But again that has nothing to do with school shootings. But I get it. You're being defensive over the fact that most school shooters are white people and you're wanting to fall back on black gang bangers killing each other as if that's somehow equivalent. Okay. White gang leaders Vladimir Putin and Vladimir Zelensky have killed an estimated 500,000 white people comibined in their stupid war. And Adolf Hitler killed millions of white people. World War 1 was started by white people. World War 2 was started by white people, though Asians dragged America in. And yes the black Hutus killed hundreds of thousands of black Tutsis but they were armed by the white French. People suck. But some people shoot up schools more than others.

[jmdrake]

One more thing @Anti Federalist. You want to call me out on not commenting on every point you've made in this thread, but you've yet to comment on the fact that you were proven absolutely false in your assertion that the subway shooter did not get national coverage and @TheCount was shown to be correct that the victims were most likely homeless. Your whole narrative, that somehow coverage of mass shooting is based on race, is BS.

[Brian4Liberty]

Mother of Georgia mass shooting suspect called school before attack

NEW YORK, Sept 8 (Reuters) - The mother of the teenager charged with fatally shooting two students and two teachers at a Georgia high school on Wednesday called the school that morning and warned a counselor about an "extreme emergency," the Washington Post reported.

Marcee Gray, the mother of the suspected shooter, 14-year-old Colt Gray, said she told the counselor to find her son immediately, the newspaper reported. Phone records provided by a relative to the Post show a 10-minute call to Apalachee High School in Winder, Georgia, at 9:50 a.m., about 30 minutes before the attack began.
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https://www.reuters.com/world/us/mot...ck-2024-09-08/

[Brian4Liberty]

Seems to me that the massive media coverage being given this story increases the probability of another disturbed kid deciding to get their moment of attention and infamy.

No doubt another shooting before the election would be a tragedy that would never be let to go to waste (by the media/DNC).

"You never let a serious crisis go to waste." - Infamous Chicago DNC operative.

[Valli6]

Mother of Georgia mass shooting suspect called school before attack

His father, Colin Gray, is also charged with murder, involuntary manslaughter and cruelty to children, in an emerging legal strategy to hold parents responsible for allowing access to firearms to minors who carry out attacks.... Prosecutors say Colin Gray provided the weapon used in the shooting.

How about holding Children Protective Services, Georgia’s child welfare agency and school counsellors responsible, since family members went to great lengths for months trying to get the kid into therapy? What are they getting paid for?!

[acptulsa]

How about holding Children Protective Services and school councilors responsible, since family members went to great lengths for months trying to get the kid into therapy? What are they getting paid for?!

Some parents used to be able to afford therapy before Medicare drove the prices up.

[Valli6]

Some parents used to be able to afford therapy before Medicare drove the prices up.

I can't agree. Therapy has always been a luxury most people do without. But if the government is going to collect taxes from us to create jobs by funding these agencies that are supposed to help people, how about occasionally they take action on behalf of a messed up kid like this? He shouldn't have even been going to school.

[Anti Federalist]

One more thing @Anti Federalist. You want to call me out on not commenting on every point you've made in this thread, but you've yet to comment on the fact that you were proven absolutely false in your assertion that the subway shooter did not get national coverage and @TheCount was shown to be correct that the victims were most likely homeless. Your whole narrative, that somehow coverage of mass shooting is based on race, is BS.

Are you really going to try and make me time the amount of air time the Chicago shooter got as compared to the time that has been devoted to the GA school shooter?

When the answer is easily 99 to 1?

Like I had to do to analyze the GVA database to extract the ethnicity of the mass shooters listed, to find out all along I was right?

Or explain again how an all black school with strong black teachers can instill discipline and respect that go a long towards reducing school crime, bullying and shootings?

Brother, I've got other stuff to do.

You're the winner...

[Anti Federalist]

Seems to me that the massive media coverage being given this story increases the probability of another disturbed kid deciding to get their moment of attention and infamy.

No doubt another shooting before the election would be a tragedy that would never be let to go to waste (by the media/DNC).

"You never let a serious crisis go to waste." - Infamous Chicago DNC operative.

There's no massive, non stop, day after day coverage of this.

That's all in your head.

@jmdrake and @TheCount say so.

[Brian4Liberty]

I don't see much significance in the neighbor saying she'd never seen the kid before because:

1. The kids were being moved around due to the parents splitting up and changing homes
2. School only just started
3. According to family members he'd been depressed and suicidal for months, so he wouldn't have been out playing in the yard where you would see him.
4. When did he bleach his hair? Would she have noticed him with brown hair? Is it the bleaching that made him suddenly stand out?

Oh my. Suicidal you say. My drug dealer (aka Doctor) would immediately prescribe some medication, and that's what they do for every complaint, ailment or simple question. It wouldn't be an SSRI would it? Nah, never...

As far as kids "playing in the yard", maybe very young children. Kids and teens don't play outside anymore, at least in many urban/suburban areas. They are in their bedrooms all the time on their computers or cell phones, maybe watching Dystopia Porn on Netflix at the same time.

[dannno]

Everyone will get offended if I give a direct explanation, so I'll just show examples instead.

1. Black guy shoots homeless people on a train.

How does that get reported / discussed on RPF? Is "the whole point of interest the motivations and circumstances behind it?"

No. It is reported as a fact, the primary theme is that he's black, and the implication is that the man's blackness is the cause of the shooting. Nobody's asking what happened in his life that led to this.


2. White guy shoots white kids in a school.

Now people want to talk about motivation and circumstances.

There must be something about a white person that leads them to murder: oh he's gay, he's trans, he's defective in some way. He must be other, because none of "us" would do that.

What could have led this poor white kid to do such a thing? Was he bullied? Maybe it was his broken home, his mother's criminal record... it's not because he's white...

Well the media initially assumes every shooter is a right winger or white supremacist, so there should probably be some pushback since they aren't.

[acptulsa]

[jmdrake]

There's no massive, non stop, day after day coverage of this.

That's all in your head.

@jmdrake and @TheCount say so.

So...now you're down to straight up dishonest? I really thought better of you. You made a mistake when you falsely claimed your subway shooting story was only local when it was coverened nationally. I don't know why you can't just own up to your mistake instead of trying to change the subject. You are, or at least were, better than that. Last year's shooting of the "sweet 16" birthday party got a lot of coverage too and it wasn't an election year. And I never said this shooting wasn't getting more coverage than it deserved as @Brian4Liberty is saying. So why do you feel the need to make up stuff?

[jmdrake]

Are you really going to try and make me time the amount of air time the Chicago shooter got as compared to the time that has been devoted to the GA school shooter?

Am I trying to make you dishonestly move the goal post? No. You're doing that fine on your own. You didn't intially say that the Georgia school shooting got more coverage than a subway shooting. You claimed that the subway shooting got no national coverage. That was provably false. But now you want to pretend I said they got the same amount of coverage when that's not what I said and you know it. You're better than that. Yes. School shootings get more coverage than just about anything that happens. There is a reason for that. It's because they are school shootings. How much more coverage did the white Irish girls stabbed by a Muslim person of color get than the Georgia school shootings? A hell of a lot more and you know it. Rather than focusing on the real story here, that school resource officers stopped this from being another Uvalde by taking the shooter down without even kiling him, you want to strangely make this about whether or not a white killer gets more coverage than a black killer focusing on the race of the killer rather than the innocence of the victims. No sane person, and I am questioning your sanity at this point, expects the reaction of the random murders of children to not get the same level of coverage as the killing of homeless adults. I even pointed out to you that when two white men murdered a black woman in Nashville Tennessee by pushing her into the Cumberland River while she was sleeping that got ZERO national coverage! Based on your twisted racial view of the world that should have been 24/7 coverage for weeks because "racist white men murdered a black woman they didn't even know in her sleep." But nope. No coverage. None whatsover except on the local news. But you don't want to talk about that because it's not fitting your narrative.

[Valli6]

Oh my. Suicidal you say. My drug dealer (aka Doctor) would immediately prescribe some medication, and that's what they do for every complaint, ailment or simple question. It wouldn't be an SSRI would it? Nah, never...

Yeah, ya got me there. The drugs are all they know - they don’t actually do any kind of “therapy” anymore - just drugs - and when the drugs don’t help, they’ll just trade it for a different drug that won’t help. Yes, it’s unfortunate - and yet they collect money through taxes to pay for all these programs that are supposed to be there to help (but, i guess are really just jobs programs for entitled cronies?). People running those programs need to be held accountable for this also - for being absolute failures - just face it and shut that $#@! down! - at least it'll save the taxpayers some money.

They need to think outside the box. Keeping the kid out of school would have been better than what happened.

I see now that this has all become a public family fight - the mothers parents are blaming everything on the father - saying he got hooked on opiates after a back injury and dragged their daughter down - not much to say about their own daughter’s drug use, drunk driving, and neglecting the kids, though. They're saying the father kept verbally abusing him - calling him a pussy & a bitch - bought him the gun to "toughen him up".

The kid probably wakes up happier in jail.

[Brian4Liberty]

How and when "teens" are charged as adults is always interesting. Every state has slightly different laws, but most (all?) have a process that allows a teen to be charged as an adult.

With Colt Gray, the media pretty much immediately declared that the 14 year old would be charged as an adult. And his name and picture was quickly released.

The initial appearances by Colin Gray, 54, and Colt Gray, 14, in the Barrow County courtroom came two days after an attack that killed two students and two teachers at Apalachee High School in Winder, a city of 18,000 some 50 miles (80 km) northeast of Atlanta. Nine others were wounded.
Colt Gray, an Apalachee student, has been charged as an adult with four counts of murder.
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https://www.reuters.com/world/us/tee...rt-2024-09-06/

Meanwhile in California, a 17 year old teen who had previously brought a gun to school two times, shot an NFL player in an attempted robbery. The robber is always referred to as a teen, and with that full animosity. The shooting was ten days ago, and at his first court appearance, the DA did not ask the judge to try the teen as an adult. The DA says they will "study the case" before they decide. The media and defense attorney are publicly making the case that the teen should not be tried as an adult.

A minor has been charged with attempted murder in the shooting of San Francisco 49ers wide receiver Ricky Pearsall, the San Francisco district attorney said Tuesday.

The 17-year-old boy was charged in juvenile court with attempted murder, assault with a semi-automatic firearm and second-degree attempted robbery, San Francisco District Attorney Brooke Jenkins said.
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/sports/...all-rcna169471