GA - Four confirmed dead in school shooting

[Anti Federalist]

Probably because most mass school shootings are done by white people.

Your source lists 150 mass shooting since 1982.

I have no idea what they are using as a metric, but we all know that is horse$#@!.

So far in 2024 there have been 44 mass shootings in the US, defined as four or more shot/killed excluding the perp, which is a higher bar than the numbers you are using.

But not according to Britannica, which is using the same numbers that Mother Jones is using, which is the same numbers that Statistica is using:

They say only three mass shootings have happened in 2024.

Using their own metric, there have 44 mass shooting so far this year.

Of those: 25 have been committed by blacks, 8 have been committed by whites, 6 have been committed by Hispanics, 5 have been committed by Asians/Arabs.

Here's the list:





I have randomly fact checked these incidents to verify the story, they have checked out.

Feel free to do so yourself, and if you can find one or more of them to be inaccurate or false, I will adjust the numbers.

[Anti Federalist]

People like AF know the ruling class is ravenously hungry for depopulation, yet refuse to believe anyone could be so evil as to start a civil war in purpose

What is the best way to prevent a civil war?

What is the best way to prevent a fatal domestic violence incident?

What is the best way to prevent two kids from fighting?

You separate the combatants.

[jmdrake]

Your source lists 150 mass shooting since 1982.

I have no idea what they are using as a metric, but we all know that is horse$#@!.

So far in 2024 there have been 44 mass shootings in the US, defined as four or more shot/killed excluding the perp, which is a higher bar than the numbers you are using.

But not according to Britannica, which is using the same numbers that Mother Jones is using, which is the same numbers that Statistica is using:

They say only three mass shootings have happened in 2024.

Using their own metric, there have 44 mass shooting so far this year.

Of those: 25 have been committed by blacks, 8 have been committed by whites, 6 have been committed by Hispanics, 5 have been committed by Asians/Arabs.

Here's the list:





I have randomly fact checked these incidents to verify the story, they have checked out.

Feel free to do so yourself, and if you can find one or more of them to be inaccurate or false, I will adjust the numbers.

Your stats are horseshyt. There have been 384 mass shootings in 2024.

See: https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/r.../mass-shooting

[jmdrake]

What is the best way to prevent a civil war?

What is the best way to prevent a fatal domestic violence incident?

What is the best way to prevent two kids from fighting?

You separate the combatants.

By not using horseshyt statistics.

Your stats are horseshyt. There have been 384 mass shootings in 2024.

See: https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/r.../mass-shooting

Hell. I downloaded the CSV file and there have been 21 mass shootings in Alabama in 2024 alone! And so you're going of stats of 44 total mass shootings in the entire freaking country? Maybe your stats were just for January.

Edit: AND YOUR STATS INCLUDE STABBINGS! Like WTF? So....you're going to count stabbings as mass shootings? You wouldn't accept that crap if some gun control group including stabbings for the purpose of banning AR15s. Cook the stats until you get the result you want. Okay.

That said, including mass stabbings in the stats your 44 number is way the hell too low.

[jmdrake]

@jmdrake

You should be just as angry and agreeing with me on this.

Why does the random killing of four, I am assuming black people based on the location of the subway service area, elicit no nationwide coverage, but this does?

And why did you call me to task on it, and ignore @TheCount 's immediate presumption that the victims were bums and homeless?

Could they not have just as easily been black working class folks catching naps as they rode the train to report for early punch in jobs?




It degrades quality of life across the board, that is what is being "taken".

I have said numerous times, I would like blacks to be successful and productive as well, with the caveat that I will oppose that which is detrimental to whites and I will always put the interest of whites before any other group.

That said, the same policies and cultural Marxism that are, quite literally, exterminating whites, are just as bad if not worse for blacks.

Some jerkoff, most likely with a "rap sheet" twenty miles long, randomly assassinating people on a subway train, does nothing but rip to shreds the "quality of life" of the people in that neighborhood.

Especially when you consider this is Chicago, where it is difficult if not impossible to carry a firearm for your protection.

So....I owe @TheCount an appology. It turns out he is right. The prevaling view is that they were homeless people. No they don't deserve to be killed. But you're also wrong to claim this has only been covered by local news. It's been all over national news outlets.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/02/us/4-...ago/index.html

“The victims, they were all passengers on the train early this morning,” said Forest Park Deputy Chief Chris Chin. “The train was in motion on the way into Forest Park.”

The victims may have been homeless, Chin told CNN. Investigators are working with the Chicago Transit Authority to review surveillance footage of the shooting, which police said happened in two train cars: three in one car and the fourth in another.

“We don’t know for sure what (the victims’) social status is. Looking at the videos, they were asleep on the train,” Chin said.

https://chicagohomeless.org/statemen...cta-blue-line/

Statement on the murder of people experiencing homelessness on the CTA Blue Line

Chicago Coalition to end Homelessness (CCH) is devastated to learn of the senseless murder of four people – Simeon Bihesi, Adrian Collins, and two other victims that have not yet been identified – on the CTA Blue Line on Monday, September 2. Our understanding is that most if not all were experiencing homelessness and sleeping on the train at the time of their murder. The murderer must be held to account for taking their lives and be held responsible for this heinous act. We extend our deepest sympathies to the friends and family of those lost.

Everyone has the right to feel and be safe in our community, regardless of their housing status. Many people experiencing homelessness, when faced with many bad options, use public transportation as a space that offers a form of safety and community. The fact that the murderer took their lives in this space underlines how we have failed as a society.

These murders are not a random act of violence but are a glaring example of a pattern of violence, suffering, and cruelty people experiencing homelessness face every day simply because they are unhoused. We cannot write this moment off as a tragic, isolated incident, but must acknowledge it is the direct result of the systemic failures which have led to over 68,000 people in Chicago alone experiencing homelessness.

The only real, sustainable solution is adequately funding permanent housing and other services that the unhoused need to truly feel safe and not only be protected from acts of violence but have a chance to grow and thrive. Our city, our county, our state, and our federal government must do more – more funding and better policies that protect and support the unhoused and get all of them the permanent housing and services they deserve. No one should be in harm’s way the way these four victims were.

Our society continually makes excuses for why it is not the time to make real investments to solve the problem of homelessness. If not in a moment like this one, when?

Other coverage of this same story.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/03/us/ch...day/index.html

https://time.com/7017463/chicago-are...ooting-deaths/

https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news...eping-victims/

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgjvxypjjjlo

One of the homeless people killed was a Marine. His name was Simeon Bihesi. May he rest in peace.

In 2006 two white men drowned a black homeless woman, Tara Cole, by pushing her into the Cumberland River while she was sleeping in Downtown Nashville. (See: https://freedomtracks.com/taracole.html). That never became a national news story because...she was homeless. I lived in Nashville at the time and heard about it. But if you trying to find anything other than local coverage of this story you won't see anything. At least I don't. That flies in the face of the "It's always national news when a white person kills a black person" narrative that some white Americans push.

[acptulsa]

What is the best way to prevent a civil war?

What is the best way to prevent a fatal domestic violence incident?

What is the best way to prevent two kids from fighting?

You separate the combatants.

The U.S. government used secession as an excuse to start the last one...

In any case, nobody wants to stay behind with the criminal "migrants". So there will be blood spilled.

[acptulsa]

Meanwhile, back on topic...

[Anti Federalist]

Father of Georgia Shooting Suspect Arrested, Charged with Involuntary Manslaughter, 2nd Degree Murder

https://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amendm...degree-murder/

AWR Hawkins 5 Sep 2024

The father of the 14-year-old Apalachee High School attack suspect was arrested Thursday and charged with manslaughter and other charges.

CBS News reported that law enforcement sources indicated 54-year-old Colin Gray allegedly gave an AR-15 rifle to son “as a gift…in December 2023.”

The specific charges against the father include “four counts of involuntary manslaughter, two counts of second degree murder and eight counts of
cruelty to children.”

The Georgia Bureau of Investigation (GBI) noted that the charges “stem from Mr. Gray knowingly allowing his son…to possess a weapon.”

GBI called for communities across the state to encourage students “across this state to contact a member of their school faculty with any and all concerns of suspicious that they may see.”

The 14-year-old arrested for the Apalachee High School shooting has been charged with four counts of felony murder.

Barrow County Sheriff Jud Smith spoke at the press conference Thursday night and announced that the nine individuals who were injured in the attack will be making “a full recovery.”

Breitbart News reported that the 14-year-old attacker was stopped by a good guy with a gun. The good guy was a deputy serving as a School Resource Officer.

[Anti Federalist]

By not using horseshyt statistics.

Your stats are horseshyt. There have been 384 mass shootings in 2024.

See: https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/r.../mass-shooting

Hell. I downloaded the CSV file and there have been 21 mass shootings in Alabama in 2024 alone! And so you're going of stats of 44 total mass shootings in the entire freaking country? Maybe your stats were just for January.

Edit: AND YOUR STATS INCLUDE STABBINGS! Like WTF? So....you're going to count stabbings as mass shootings? You wouldn't accept that crap if some gun control group including stabbings for the purpose of banning AR15s. Cook the stats until you get the result you want. Okay.

That said, including mass stabbings in the stats your 44 number is way the hell too low.

Your stats are horseshyt. There have been 384 mass shootings in 2024.

See: https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/r.../mass-shooting

So, at the site you posted, I have just followed up on the first 25 mass shootings on the first page ranging from 4 Sept to 22 Aug.

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/r.../mass-shooting

Out of 25, 8 were committed by blacks, 4 were committed by whites, 1 was committed by a Hispanic.

12 I was unable to confirm, because of the almost non existent reporting on them, which is a point I have been making all along.

But, based on the location, the victim's names and descriptions, the manner of the shooting and the town or city where the shooting took place, I will bet hard gold that every single one was committed by a black.



The reporting would go something like this:

5 men were shot at a house party at the 1200 block of MLK Jr. Way early this morning.

All five remain in serious condition.

Police have no description of the gunman, but want citizens to remain on the lookout for the suspect.



I'm moving on to page two.

Feel free to correct or double check my work.

[CaptUSA]

Father of Georgia Shooting Suspect Arrested, Charged with Involuntary Manslaughter, 2nd Degree Murder

Oh yeah, this is meant to be an election year issue. Poor guy... First his son goes nuts and murders people and while he's dealing with that, HE becomes the focus of the State's lawfare.

[Anti Federalist]

Oh yeah, this is meant to be an election year issue. Poor guy... First his son goes nuts and murders people and while he's dealing with that, HE becomes the focus of the State's lawfare.

Oh no doubt, this will be big news all fall long.

The shooting of an ex president and the shooting and killing of his supporters, meh, not so much.

[CaptUSA]

Oh no doubt, this will be big news all fall long.

The shooting of an ex president and the shooting and killing of his supporters, meh, not so much.

You know, the best thing Trump can probably do in the debate is to say, "As a victim of a mass shooting myself, I hold the perpetrators responsible - not the weapon he used and certainly not his family!"

They'll drop the storyline immediately.

[Anti Federalist]

Not fully confirmed but it's looking like he was a trans faggg

https://x.com/NatCon2022/status/1831900930222256203

[acptulsa]

[jmdrake]

Not fully confirmed but it's looking like he was a trans faggg

https://x.com/NatCon2022/status/1831900930222256203

Yeah....let's talk about all of our pet social issues. Everything except what really matters which is how to prevent these tragedies. Colin Noir has a good handle on that. They want gun confiscation when the real answer is good guys with guns in schools.



Nobody is talking about this, but school resource officers stopped the shooter before he could kill more than 4 people.



Not all schools can afford resource officers. That's why Tennessee initially passed a teacher's carry bill specifically for districts that couldn't afford it. The one passed this year extends to all schools. But both bills require the local sherriff, principal and school board to sign off and getting all of them to agree has in the past proven to be difficult.

[PAF]

So I would trust an individual millionaire / billionaire to save a town with his own money than I would some government "official" to do it with someone else's money.

I don't trust either one. I don't discriminate based on color, unless it's green and doesn't belong to me.

I"m confused. Why in the hell would you not trust someone to use his own money as he sees fit? That seems very anti libertarian to me.

This would make a great thread.


What do the words don't trust have anything to do with with being libertarian or anti-libertarian?


Bill Gates, Miriam Adelson, Tom Steyer, George Soros, Peter Thiel... Donald Trump who has donated to many democrats including Hillary Clinton, Charlie Rangel, Kamala Harris TWICE, etc.......

and now ELON MUSK who has enough F&CK YOU MONEY that he doesn't have a thing to worry about, yet is being heralded as the next beloved billionaire involved with TrumpPolitics.


So I ask, what does don't trust have anything to do with being libertarian or anti-libertarian? I'm confused.

[WarriorLiberty]

Yeah....let's talk about all of our pet social issues. Everything except what really matters which is how to prevent these tragedies. Colin Noir has a good handle on that. They want gun confiscation when the real answer is good guys with guns in schools.



Nobody is talking about this, but school resource officers stopped the shooter before he could kill more than 4 people.



Not all schools can afford resource officers. That's why Tennessee initially passed a teacher's carry bill specifically for districts that couldn't afford it. The one passed this year extends to all schools. But both bills require the local sherriff, principal and school board to sign off and getting all of them to agree has in the past proven to be difficult.

Everything except what really matters which is how to prevent these tragedies. Colin Noir has a good handle on that

The only thing Liberals want to do is to make America become like Europe and change its laws on the second amendment.


I haven't seen a single democrat ever trying to go after mental health issues.


Maybe both parties should tackle the mental health crisis instated of trying to get rid of second amendment or to change constitution.

[PAF]

Maybe both parties should tackle the mental health crisis instated of trying to get rid of second amendment or to change constitution.

Maybe both parties should get out of the mental health crisis instead of being directly involved in it. Hasn't government already done enough?

[jmdrake]

This would make a great thread.


What do the words don't trust have anything to do with with being libertarian or anti-libertarian?


Bill Gates, Miriam Adelson, Tom Steyer, George Soros, Peter Thiel... Donald Trump who has donated to many democrats including Hillary Clinton, Charlie Rangel, Kamala Harris TWICE, etc.......

and now ELON MUSK who has enough F&CK YOU MONEY that he doesn't have a thing to worry about, yet is being heralded as the next beloved billionaire involved with TrumpPolitics.


So I ask, what does don't trust have anything to do with being libertarian or anti-libertarian? I'm confused.

It's Elon Musk's money to do with it as he sees fit. The only problem that I have is to the extent that he got it from goverment "billionaire welfare" like EV subsidies. I feel a little less bothered about SpaceX because the gubmint was going to pay someone to launch it's sattlelites and his company so far is doing it cheaper and better than NASA and Boeing. And I don't give a rats ass who donates what to who. People have a right to do that. Seriously you're confusing.

But initiially I wasn't even talking about billionaire Elon Musk. I was talking about a millionaire who put his own money where his mouth is and got good results. Do you have anything to say about that positive or negative?

[jmdrake]

The only thing Liberals want to do is to make America become like Europe and change its laws on the second amendment.


I haven't seen a single democrat ever trying to go after mental health issues.


Maybe both parties should tackle the mental health crisis instated of trying to get rid of second amendment or to change constitution.

Meh. Democrats will counter that Republicans don't want to spend the money to fully fund government mental health and......they're right.

Besides, there have always been crazy people willing to kill someone for no particular reason going back to Cain killing Able (or caveman Og killing caveman Zog). What mades the difference when the actual shooting occurs is if there is someone on site who can actually respond to the threat.

[PAF]

It's Elon Musk's money to do with it as he sees fit. The only problem that I have is to the extent that he got it from goverment "billionaire welfare" like EV subsidies. I feel a little less bothered about SpaceX because the gubmint was going to pay someone to launch it's sattlelites and his company so far is doing it cheaper and better than NASA and Boeing. And I don't give a rats ass who donates what to who. People have a right to do that. Seriously you're confusing.

But initiially I wasn't even talking about billionaire Elon Musk. I was talking about a millionaire who put his own money where his mouth is and got good results. Do you have anything to say about that positive or negative?

Positive: Voluntarism.

Negative: Philanthropy with strings attached which leads to favors, power and corruption.

[jmdrake]

Positive: Voluntarism.

Negative: Philanthropy with strings attached which leads to favors, power and corruption.

Okay. The strings attached in this case is for the teachers to get the bonuses their students needed to show improvement and for the students to get college scholarships they had to actually a) graduate and b) apply for college. There may have been some other "strings" like don't get arrested and maintain a certain GPA. There doesn't seem to be any strings to the free childcare he gave away. So......what's the corruption you're concerned about?

[PAF]

Okay. The strings attached in this case is for the teachers to get the bonuses their students needed to show improvement and for the students to get college scholarships they had to actually a) graduate and b) apply for college. There may have been some other "strings" like don't get arrested and maintain a certain GPA. There doesn't seem to be any strings to the free childcare he gave away. So......what's the corruption you're concerned about?

Reliance.

[jmdrake]

Reliance.

Those that finish high school, go on to college, avoid getting a criminal record etc are set on a path of self reliance. Sorry but your argument makes absolutely no sense. It sounds like you don't ever want anyone to help anybody. That's not libertarian. I don't know what you call it but it's not libertarion or agorist or whatever. The people in Tangelo Park Florida were reliant on the welfare state and many were headed to prison. That's been turned around for a lot of people. There is no negative here.

[PAF]

Those that finish high school, go on to college, avoid getting a criminal record etc are set on a path of self reliance. Sorry but your argument makes absolutely no sense. It sounds like you don't ever want anyone to help anybody. That's not libertarian. I don't know what you call it but it's not libertarion or agorist or whatever. The people in Tangelo Park Florida were reliant on the welfare state and many were headed to prison. That's been turned around for a lot of people. There is no negative here.

I can't solve the world's problems, nor can anybody. I simply responded to your question:

"There doesn't seem to be any strings to the free childcare he gave away. So......what's the corruption you're concerned about?"

When philanthropists do such things, people always grow reliant, and from there leads to conditions and eventual corruption. It's built in.

Me as an individual can help one in need, and I have, but unlike philanthropists I know when to completely back off. The philanthropist who gives stuff for free as a matter of routine typically perpetuates the problem of reliance, and potential strings attached, more than it "helps".

Take from it what you will ;-)

[jmdrake]

I can't solve the world's problems, nor can anybody. I simply responded to your question:

"There doesn't seem to be any strings to the free childcare he gave away. So......what's the corruption you're concerned about?"

When philanthropists do such things, people always grow reliant, and from there leads to conditions and eventual corruption. It's built in.

Me as an individual can help one in need, and I have, but unlike philanthropists I know when to completely back off. The philanthropist who gives stuff for free as a matter of routine typically perpetuates the problem of reliance, and potential strings attached, more than it "helps".

Take from it what you will ;-)

Except you're 100% ignoring the fact that the people being helped were already reliant on welfare and then they and their children are reaching a point where they aren't reliant on anybody. Everyone gets help from somebody at somepoint. The "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" nonsense is just that, nonsense. How many lives have you changed with your "help?" How many people graduated high school who wouldn't have without your "help?" Yeah you may have given a homeless person a sandwich. Good for you! But I'm not impressed.

[PAF]

Except you're 100% ignoring the fact that the people being helped were already reliant on welfare and then they and their children are reaching a point where they aren't reliant on anybody. Everyone gets help from somebody at somepoint. The "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" nonsense is just that, nonsense. How many lives have you changed with your "help?" How many people graduated high school who wouldn't have without your "help?" Yeah you may have given a homeless person a sandwich. Good for you! But I'm not impressed.

LOL check your PM ;-)

[Valli6]

Here’s how I envision the 2023 FBI-ordered interview with the kid and his family:

Investigator: Good morning Gray family. We’re here today to interview you for the position of school shooter, er, I mean ask you about threatening posts the FBI attributes to you on a Discord messaging platform - although the phone number linked to that account is associated with some other person in a different city. I guess we won’t interview that person or explain why we chose to come to you about it instead.

Stupid Kid: Uh-Uh! No way! It wasn’t me! Somebody hacked my discord account and after that, I quit Discord!

Interviewer: Oh okay. I just wouldn’t want you to shoot up a school… shoot up a school… Shoot up a school! "I gotta take you at your word and I hope you’re being honest with me.” [ https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/...ltiple-charges ] Just remember not to shoot up a school… shoot up a school. SHOOT UP A SCHOOL! Have a great day! Don’t shoot up a school… SHOOT UP A SCHOOL!

Stupid Kid’s Parents: Gurble, gobble, gloop…

Stupid Kid’s Brain: Wow! The idea of shooting up a school sure gets you a lot of attention! My life sucks so bad and nobody helps me - it can’t get any worse! Maybe I should think more about this shooting-up-a-school thing! People will find out who I am! I’ll be like some bad boy, folk hero and garner some respect! Yeah, shooting up a school, huh? That has some potential….


[Why so much off-topic posting in this thread? ]

[WarriorLiberty]

Meh. Democrats will counter that Republicans don't want to spend the money to fully fund government mental health and......they're right.

Besides, there have always been crazy people willing to kill someone for no particular reason going back to Cain killing Able (or caveman Og killing caveman Zog). What mades the difference when the actual shooting occurs is if there is someone on site who can actually respond to the threat.

Maybe ask your fellow Democrats/Liberals who seem to only care either pushing full citizenship to illegal aliens or they talk about "reparations" from whites to African Americans over what? slavery from 200 years ago?

[dannno]

Not fully confirmed but it's looking like he was a trans faggg

https://x.com/NatCon2022/status/1831900930222256203

I was going to bet on that, but with all of the trans shootings lately it felt like betting on "black" at the roulette table for the eighth time in a row..