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    Race and Gender Push Harris Above Trump Nationally Harris up 7 over Trump

    FDU Poll Finds Race and Gender Push Harris Above Trump Nationally

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    Race and Gender Push Harris Above Trump Nationally

    Race considerations crater Trump support among non-white voters

    Fairleigh Dickinson University, Madison, NJ, August 23, 2024 – Voters nationally give Vice President and Democratic nominee Kamala Harris an edge over former President Donald Trump in November’s election by a seven-point margin (50 to 43), but race and gender remains central to the vote. When voters are made to think about the race or gender of the candidates, Harris’ lead grows substantially; when they’re not, support is essentially tied. Harris is also helped by strong support among the slightly less than half of men who reject traditionally masculine identities. Trump’s strongest support is among men who hold traditionally masculine identities, while women and other men strongly favor Harris.

    “Trump has built his political career around a very specific performance of whiteness and masculinity,” said Dan Cassino, a professor of Government and Politics at Fairleigh Dickinson, and the Executive Director of the poll. “In the past, that’s been seen as a strength, but it’s no longer clear that it’s working.”

    In the overall sample, Harris leads Trump 50 to 43 among likely voters, with 7 percent saying that they will support someone else in November’s election (with undecided voters included, that lead is 47 to 40). Both Trump and Harris have the support of 95 percent of their partisans, and Harris leads Trump 38 to 33 among independents who do not lean towards either party. Similarly, Harris has a strong lead among self-identified liberals (87 to 10), progressives (93 to 5) and moderates (62 to 30). Trump leads among conservatives (76 to 19), and MAGA voters (95 to 4).

    To examine the effect of race and gender on vote choice, an experiment was embedded in the survey.

    In the survey, before being asked who they were supporting in the Presidential race, respondents were given a list of five issues, and asked which ones were important to their vote. The issues included Tax Policy, Immigration Policy, Climate Change, Abortion and Foreign Policy. But not all respondents got the same list. In addition to randomizing the order of the issues, one-third of respondents were given “The Race or Ethnicity of the Candidate” as the last issue before the vote choice question, and one-third were given “Whether the Candidate is a Man or a Woman” as their last issue. The remaining one-third got all five of the issues, in no particular order.

    This survey experiment means that we can compare the voters who were primed to think about race or sex with those who were not, and because the assignment to these conditions is done at random, we can be confident that any differences between the groups are a result of the priming, and not other factors. The effects are enormous.

    Among voters who were not primed to think about the race or sex of the candidates, Harris and Trump are tied (47 to 48). When the list of issues mentions the sex of the candidates, Harris pulls ahead, 52 to 42. And when the race of the candidates is mentioned, Harris holds a 14-point lead, 53 to 39, a 15-point shift from the baseline condition.

    “When voters are thinking about race or sex, Trump’s support just plummets,” said Cassino. “All the time, we hear strategists and pundits saying that Democratic candidates shouldn’t talk about identity, but these results show that making race and sex salient to voters is bad for Trump and boosts Harris.”


    The movement in the race priming condition is largely due to changes in support among non-white voters. Fifty-five percent of non-white voters in the unprimed condition say that they’ll support Harris, with 39 percent supporting Trump. But in the race primed condition, Trump’s support among non-white voters drops by 10 points to 29 percent, while Harris’s support rises by 10, from 55 to 65 percent. All told, mentioning the race of the candidates moves Harris’s lead among non-white voters from 16 points (55 to 39) to 36 points (65 to 29).

    This size of the effect is supplemented by a shift away from Trump among white voters in the race primed condition. In the unprimed condition, Trump leads Harris among white voters by 11 points, 53 to 42. In the race primed condition, the two are tied, with Harris marginally ahead among white voters, 47 to 44.

    The largest shifts due to this priming condition appear to be among Black voters, but analysis of these effects is limited by the sample size of the survey.

    “Race matters in elections, but it’s not inevitable that voters are thinking about it,” said Cassino. “Trump does reasonably well among non-white voters so long as they’re not thinking about race: once they are, we see a huge shift to Harris.”

    Mentioning the sex of the candidates also impacts vote choice, with the gender prime moving women’s support away from Trump. Mentioning the sex of the candidates has no real effect on men’s votes: it increases support for Harris by 5 points and reduces support for Trump by 2. But among women, mentioning the sex of the candidates drops Trump’s support by 7, from 40 percent in the unprimed condition to 33 percent in the gender primed condition. The net effect is a change from women favoring Harris by 16 (56 to 40) in the unprimed condition, to favoring her by 26 (59 to 33) in the gender primed condition.

    The gender dynamics of the race are also clear from a question asking respondents about how masculine or feminine they consider themselves to be. On this question, a little more than half of men say that they’re “completely masculine,” and a little less than half describe themselves some other way (as “mostly masculine,” “slightly masculine” or in one of the feminine categories). The men who put themselves in the “completely masculine” category favor Trump over Harris by a wide margin, 64 to 30. All other men favor Harris by a 20-point margin, 55 to 35. Among women, “completely feminine” women are little different than other women: both favor Harris by about a 20-point margin. While there is a big difference between men and women overall, that difference is driven entirely by the men who say that they are “completely masculine.” Those men favor Trump; all other sex and gender groups favor Harris by about the same 20-point margin.

    “We talk about the gender gap in voting as being between men and women,” said Cassino. “But it’s not. The real gender gap is between men who are holding to traditionally masculine identities, and everybody else. Identity isn’t just about race and sex: Trump’s appeal to a traditional form of masculine identity is the only thing keeping this race close.”
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    If that's a topic that's pushing people towards Harris in a survey, the survey pool has a horrible lefty bias.

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    LOL

    Why do you even read this crap, much less back the truck up here and re-dump it?

    Everyone loves a horse race, I guess.

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    7 is too slim of a fake lead. They need to make it 20 or 30 points, just to be sure...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClaytonB View Post
    7 is too slim of a fake lead. They need to make it 20 or 30 points, just to be sure...
    Close horse races keep the sheep more enthralled.

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    How much are Democrats being over sampled?

    less than half of men who reject traditionally masculine identities. Trump’s strongest support is among men who hold traditionally masculine identities, while women and other men strongly favor Harris.
    Those so called Men who are pro open borders to? and pro ESG?
    Last edited by WarriorLiberty; 08-25-2024 at 03:23 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Close horse races keep the sheep more enthralled.
    Touche.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    ...
    Among voters who were not primed to think about the race or sex of the candidates, Harris and Trump are tied (47 to 48). When the list of issues mentions the sex of the candidates, Harris pulls ahead, 52 to 42. And when the race of the candidates is mentioned, Harris holds a 14-point lead, 53 to 39, a 15-point shift from the baseline condition.

    “When voters are thinking about race or sex, Trump’s support just plummets,” said Cassino. “All the time, we hear strategists and pundits saying that Democratic candidates shouldn’t talk about identity, but these results show that making race and sex salient to voters is bad for Trump and boosts Harris.”
    ...
    Not sure how the DNC MSM could possibly "race prime" the population any more than they have continuously for the past 15 years. Most of the female population has likewise been "sex primed" for even longer. "Vote Kamala! Break the glass ceiling! Grrl power!"

    But recent immigrants? Naive and ready for indoctrination...
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    People love to virtue signal in polls about how supportive they are of more diversity in positions of power. But they don't put their money where their mouth is.

    White males are still overrepresented in the House of Representatives, the Senate, all the governors, and the current White House relative to the total American population. For trying to get elected president, being a woman of color is a political disadvantage for Harris.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Invisible Man View Post
    People love to virtue signal in polls about how supportive they are of more diversity in positions of power. But they don't put their money where their mouth is.

    White males are still overrepresented in the House of Representatives, the Senate, all the governors, and the current White House relative to the total American population. For trying to get elected president, being a woman of color is a political disadvantage for Harris.
    You mean like how being a "man of color" was a political disadvantage for Barack Obama?

    White leftist woman put their money where their mouths are, and will happily vote for Kamala.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    You mean like how being a "man of color" was a political disadvantage for Barack Obama?
    So out of the 59 presidential elections we've had so far, 2 of them have been one by a man of color. I wouldn't call that very strong evidence that this factor tends to help more than it hurts. And I'm not even so sure that it helped Obama more than it hurt him.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    White leftist woman put their money where their mouths are, and will happily vote for Kamala.
    White leftist women would vote for the Democrat nominee no matter who it is. Those aren't the swing votes Kamala needs to win over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Invisible Man View Post
    So out of the 59 presidential elections we've had so far, 2 of them have been one by a man of color. I wouldn't call that very strong evidence that this factor tends to help more than it hurts. And I'm not even so sure that it helped Obama more than it hurt him.
    The difference is that all those elections up to 2008 were held in a nation that was 80+ percent white.

    That is no longer the case, by the 2030 census I will wager that the US will be minority white, under 50%

    Only whites refuse to vote or align with their own kind.

    Every other ethnic group does.

    That's why they are winning and why they will most likely win this fall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    The difference is that all those elections up to 2008 were held in a nation that was 80+ percent white.

    That is no longer the case, by the 2030 census I will wager that the US will be minority white, under 50%

    Only whites refuse to vote or align with their own kind.

    Every other ethnic group does.

    That's why they are winning and why they will most likely win this fall.
    Why is the current Congress more white and male than the overall population then?

    I'm sure it's true that society is changing in the direction that being a woman of color is less of a political disadvantage than it used to be. But it's still a disadvantage.
    There is nothing to fear from globalism, free trade and a single worldwide currency, but a globalism where free trade is competitively subsidized by each nation, a continuous trade war is dictated by the WTO, and the single currency is pure fiat, fear is justified. That type of globalism is destined to collapse into economic despair, inflationism and protectionism and managed by resurgent militant nationalism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    The difference is that all those elections up to 2008 were held in a nation that was 80+ percent white.
    I don't know, man. Being white didn't tempt me one bit to vote for either McCain or Romney. I think they made the big difference.

    McCain's own mother talked about voters of his own party holding their noses and voting for him. Don't tell me they didn't help.

    Imagine all the people caught in the two party trap. Vote Obama or bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran. Gee, maybe I should check my melatonin before I reject that? It isn't what I did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    The difference is that all those elections up to 2008 were held in a nation that was 80+ percent white.

    That is no longer the case, by the 2030 census I will wager that the US will be minority white, under 50%

    Only whites refuse to vote or align with their own kind.

    Every other ethnic group does.

    That's why they are winning and why they will most likely win this fall.
    What's your source? According to this sourse America was 64.8% white in 2008 and 58.9% white now.

    https://usafacts.org/data/topics/peo...ate=2008-01-01

    Edit: Something else to consider. Why didn't race and sex help Kamala Harris win the Democratic nomination in 2020? Seriously she dorpped out with single digits. If there was an actual primary there is a good chance she would lose this time as well. But now the "I don't like Trump" vote is coaleasing around Harris. I bet a larger percentage of the RFK Jr. vote goes to Harris than to Trump. It's not that RFK Jr's voters don't like white men and they were palling on voting for him. But we shall see.
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