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    Post Trump Promotes Family's New Crypto Platform

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    It's al about control, surveillance, breaking down the connection between the people's government and the people's money,
    and cementing the oligarchy, with AI and automated wealth forever, if you are part of the conspiracy.

    Beast AI patent legally enforced now. Mind control, body control.

    "Cryptocurrency system 150 may include one or more processors for processing commands and one or more memories storing information in one or more cryptocurrency data structures. In some embodiments, cryptocurrency system 150 may be a centralized cryptocurrency system or network, for example, but not limited to, a server which may be privately run by a third-party entity or the same entity that is running the task server 110."

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...cryptocurrency

    "This is done by the operatons of the Fed and its tentacle banks, and its daughter corporations, which exist also in private equity, family offices, and multinational institutions, foundations, and even in the black markets which are connected to cryptocurrency and organized crime."

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post7218131

    What happened? Too much pressure? Too much money to be made? There go the principles. Fake as a bitcoin itself.

    Donald Trump tells Mnuchin to use the Treasury against Bitcoin
    https://trumpfile.org/donald-trump-t...ainst-bitcoin/

    Trump Seeks to Stamp Out the Trump Coin Cryptocurrency (this was only temporary because the Deep State and certain elites hadn't gotten ther claws in it all yet. Then once they did, it was integrated into their systems, and he changed his tune)

    https://www.livebitcoinnews.com/trum...ryptocurrency/

    "You want to know about my amazing physicist brother?" says Arthur Nakamoto, Satoshi Nakamoto's youngest sibling, who works as director of quality assurance at Wavestream Corp., a maker of radio frequency amplifiers in San Dimas, Calif.

    "He's a brilliant man. I'm just a humble engineer. He's very focused and eclectic in his way of thinking. Smart, intelligent, mathematics, engineering, computers. You name it, he can do it."

    But he also had a warning.

    "My brother is an $#@!. What you don't know about him is that he's worked on classified stuff. His life was a complete blank for a while. You're not going to be able to get to him. He'll deny everything. He'll never admit to starting Bitcoin."

    And with that, Nakamoto's brother hung up."

    03/14/2014

    https://www.newsweek.com/2014/03/14/...in-247957.html

    Bitcoin is the reverse of value. It requires no labor. It is intangible. It is not backed. It is not controlled by the people's representatives.
    It is nothing more than an instrument of corruption and control, wrapped up in a simpleton's "stick it to da man" facade.
    It doesn' matter if you "made" money off it. You're not supposed to change your values and your intellectual honesty for money.
    Last edited by Snowball; 08-23-2024 at 12:23 PM.
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    I wonder if Trump University will be accepting DeFiant (coins) for tuition payments?

    Oh, wait ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowball View Post
    It's al about control, surveillance, breaking down the connection between the people's government and the people's money,
    and cementing the oligarchy, with AI and automated wealth forever, if you are part of the conspiracy.

    Beast AI patent legally enforced now. Mind control, body control.

    "Cryptocurrency system 150 may include one or more processors for processing commands and one or more memories storing information in one or more cryptocurrency data structures. In some embodiments, cryptocurrency system 150 may be a centralized cryptocurrency system or network, for example, but not limited to, a server which may be privately run by a third-party entity or the same entity that is running the task server 110."

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...cryptocurrency

    "This is done by the operatons of the Fed and its tentacle banks, and its daughter corporations, which exist also in private equity, family offices, and multinational institutions, foundations, and even in the black markets which are connected to cryptocurrency and organized crime."

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post7218131

    What happened? Too much pressure? Too much money to be made? There go the principles. Fake as a bitcoin itself.

    Donald Trump tells Mnuchin to use the Treasury against Bitcoin
    https://trumpfile.org/donald-trump-t...ainst-bitcoin/

    Trump Seeks to Stamp Out the Trump Coin Cryptocurrency (this was only temporary because the Deep State and certain elites hadn't gotten ther claws in it all yet. Then once they did, it was integrated into their systems, and he changed his tune)

    https://www.livebitcoinnews.com/trum...ryptocurrency/

    "You want to know about my amazing physicist brother?" says Arthur Nakamoto, Satoshi Nakamoto's youngest sibling, who works as director of quality assurance at Wavestream Corp., a maker of radio frequency amplifiers in San Dimas, Calif.

    "He's a brilliant man. I'm just a humble engineer. He's very focused and eclectic in his way of thinking. Smart, intelligent, mathematics, engineering, computers. You name it, he can do it."

    But he also had a warning.

    "My brother is an $#@!. What you don't know about him is that he's worked on classified stuff. His life was a complete blank for a while. You're not going to be able to get to him. He'll deny everything. He'll never admit to starting Bitcoin."

    And with that, Nakamoto's brother hung up."

    03/14/2014

    https://www.newsweek.com/2014/03/14/...in-247957.html

    Bitcoin is the reverse of value. It requires no labor. It is intangible. It is not backed. It is not controlled by the people's representatives.
    It is nothing more than an instrument of corruption and control, wrapped up in a simpleton's "stick it to da man" facade.
    It doesn' matter if you "made" money off it. You're not supposed to change your values and your intellectual honesty for money.
    Oh dear!
    Trump is supporting his own family's business in the private sector!
    We must hang him!
    A CBDC must be established and all private crypto must be destroyed.


    Trump didn't understand crypto to begin with and was rightfully suspicious of electronic money, now he's been convinced that it is a good thing to let people use if they want to.

    I guess you want to keep the Fed and politicians in control of the money supply.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Oh dear!
    Trump is supporting his own family's business in the private sector!
    We must hang him!
    A CBDC must be established and all private crypto must be destroyed.


    Trump didn't understand crypto to begin with and was rightfully suspicious of electronic money, now he's been convinced that it is a good thing to let people use if they want to.

    I guess you want to keep the Fed and politicians in control of the money supply.
    He understood it better than he does now. But trust me, he STILL understands it. And he's not right.
    Using Federal funds to boost bitcoin and crypto development is corrupt.

    Btw. Your last line is hilarious and SAD at the same time. Of COURSE I want the Fed (Federal Government, not Federal Reserve, that IS)
    and our duly-elected politicians to control the money supply. It's what the CONSTITUTION MANDATES.
    "When Sombart says: "Capitalism is born from the money-loan", I should like to add to this: Capitalism actually exists only in the money-loan;" - Theodor Fritsch

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowball View Post
    Btw. Your last line is hilarious and SAD at the same time. Of COURSE I want the Fed (Federal Government, not Federal Reserve, that IS)
    and our duly-elected politicians to control the money supply. It's what the CONSTITUTION MANDATES.
    You're both hilarious and sad, him for thinking an ex-president is in no way federal and official, and you for thinking preventing states from issuing any currency but certificates of deposits of silver and gold is Fed-like "control". What it doesn't do is prevent competing currencies, just to name one way in which you're reading way too much into it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    You're both hilarious and sad, him for thinking an ex-president is in no way federal and official, and you for thinking preventing states from issuing any currency but certificates of deposits of silver and gold is Fed-like "control". What it doesn't do is prevent competing currencies, just to name one way in which you're reading way too much into it.
    "you for thinking preventing states from issuing any currency but certificates of deposits of silver and gold is Fed-like "control"

    well, it is. this is why Rhode Island didn't want to sign. They were "persuaded"...
    "When Sombart says: "Capitalism is born from the money-loan", I should like to add to this: Capitalism actually exists only in the money-loan;" - Theodor Fritsch

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowball View Post
    well, it is. this is why Rhode Island didn't want to sign. They were "persuaded"...
    Preventing states from issuing fiat is the same as issuing fiat.

    Um, like, how?



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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Preventing states from issuing fiat is the same as issuing fiat.

    Um, like, how?
    It came down to public vs. private debts and those are two different things.
    George III was very lenient, until some colonies exploited their currencies too badly.

    https://www.thoughtco.com/currency-act-of-1764-104858

    This is a big can of worms, especially when we use fiat now and it's objectively legal for both private and public.
    What makes it legal is that it's Federal, not State.

    However my point about bitcoin as a potential "currency" (it can never be)
    is that it's not Constitutional only because it's not regulated by the people's representatives.

    It's an algorithm. That strips the people of self-government. It doesn't empower them.
    What makes our fiat legal is that our representatives, although they outsourced it, do still, on paper at least, control it.
    Last edited by Snowball; 08-26-2024 at 03:19 PM.
    "When Sombart says: "Capitalism is born from the money-loan", I should like to add to this: Capitalism actually exists only in the money-loan;" - Theodor Fritsch

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    - Bitcoin is money if people use it for exchange. This is true, by definition, irrespective of any other legal/political re-definitions of money. Money, like gravity, is something that no government really controls. Governments can certainly steer an economy and its money using scorched-earth methods but this is how you become 3rd-world. Even Zimbabweans know that their money is a scam and anyone with the means to do so uses foreign currencies or gold. Government does not create and cannot create money in the real sense of the word "create".

    - The US dollar got its name from the Thaler or Joachimsthaler which was a widely-used coin in international trade (especially trans-Atlantic trade) at the time this country was founded. In other words, the choice of the dollar as the first money of the infant republic of the United States was purely pragmatic. They chose what was most in use in commerce.

    - Prior to 1913, there were limited attempts to "redefine" the US dollar and related problems due to bimetallism. There were brief romances with central banking but those were happily shut down. There were greenbacks, which were another experiment in pure-fiat inflationary money. Despite these relatively minor detours, the US dollar had remained pretty steadily around 20-ish dollars per gold ounce from the nation's founding until 1933, 20 years after the founding of the Federal Reserve. Then, Roosevelt did possibly the most wicked thing the US Government has ever done in its history (in my mind, this is in a toss-up with the unnecessary nuking of Hiroshima/Nagasaki): he heisted the gold assets of American citizens at a legal value of $20/oz. and then devaluated the US dollar from $21/oz. to $35/oz. by fiat, effectively stealing 40% of the real assets of all gold-holders in the US in a single swoop. Far and away the biggest bank-heist ever.

    - Since 1913, the US dollar was on a quasi-fiat money standard. By maintaining foreign convertibility of US dollars to gold, the US government was subject to at least some level of discipline in its issuance of new fiat dollars. In 1971, this last connection to reality was severed when the gold window was closed. The Fed was now free to print money to its heart's content, limited only by the danger of total US economic collapse. Since 1971, the Fed is basically a drug-addict trying to get as high as absolutely possible without OD'ing, so it's basically playing Russian-roulette with the US economy every single day. But that's OK, because reasons or something. I'm sure Paul Krugman can stir up a fancy word-salad to help you rationalize it all away and sleep soundly at night.

    - The collapse of the US dollar is not only inevitable, it has already "soft"-collapsed a few times. Arguably the first collapse was the S&L market collapse. The first unarguable collapse was the dot-com bubble. The most recent "soft"-collapse was the 2008 housing collapse and bank-run crisis. At this point, we're in sort of a "rolling bubble/collapse"-scenario where the dollar is effectively continually collapsing and then being re-inflated in real-time. In short, the dollar has already collapsed. The only thing that could potentially salvage the US dollar from the ruins would be a hard-peg to a fixed gold price. People call that "the gold standard" to make fun of it nowadays, but we need something stronger than the gold standard, because the Fed was founded during the gold standard. Instead, we need a constitutional prohibition on federal central banking by Amendment, and we need to fix a gold price also by Amendment. $1,776 per ounce would be a great price to fix since the current market price is not too far off from that. Once the price has been fixed by law, the market will magically adjust everything else. To avoid bimetallism, you must fix just one price and allow the other to float. If you want to issue both pure gold and pure silver coins with a legal value in dollars, then you will need to specify two, independent monetary units, eg. USD:$1,776/gold-oz. and USS:$27/silver-oz. (or whatever numbers work at the time of fixation). By creating two separate denominations, you no longer have bimetallism since USD and USS (or whatever it would be called) could float independently.

    - Bitcoin does not need to be fixed to the USD, it's just another, separate money. The best way to make the USD strong is to fix it against precious metals. This will make the US the central hub of all finance, including Bitcoin-based finance. The globe is currently starving for an honest-money haven. The United States has the most military power of any nation in the world, still, and by a long shot, still. We can and must adopt honest money if we intend this country to survive at all. If you insist, you can keep clinging to your Federal Reserve Notes as the nation burns down around your ears, but why not follow the path of reason and common sense? Why not simply have honest money, which is the only foundation on which a thriving economy can exist? To make America great, to make it the global hub of Bitcoin, fix the US dollar to gold by Constitutional amendment so that no one, not Congress, not even SCOTUS, can alter its value. A pure silver dollar is also possible by defining a secondary monetary unit, and pegging it the same way (but leaving the two monies free-floating relative to each other). The mint can still issue silver-containing coins with legal USD value -- just because there is another unit pegging silver doesn't mean anything with silver in it has to be pegged to that. These coins will eventually go into the secondary/collector market which is a thriving market in its own right, the point is that all the fear-mongering that people raise over the simple problem of defining money is just FUD injected into the discussion in order to confuse and intimidate people, and keep the Federal Reserve coke-orgy rolling for one more day. And whatever happens after that, happens. These people are more reckless than you can possibly imagine...
    Last edited by ClaytonB; 08-26-2024 at 03:52 PM.
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