Whitney Webb EXPOSES Kamala, Trump, Israel And More! (Interview)

[jmdrake]

@Anti Federalist, this is why Trump less than simply "not a friend." During 2019 Trump capitulated to Blackrock's demands to start the COVID 19 bailout train running. And in Februray 2020 both Trump AND Dr. Fauci were downplaying COVID as being "miniscule" even though Trump would later say he knew it would be bad but he "didn't want people to panic." Whitey Webb is also the one who exposed that William Barr, who covered up Epstein's murder, was connected to Epstein's girlfriend's father. (That was covered in another interview with either JImmy Dore or Patrick David Bet). And of course Kamala Harris has Blackrock folks running her financial team. It's all connected. We're all screwed.

[PAF]

Who’s Behind J. D. Vance? Is He a CIA Candidate?

[PAF]

Whitney discusses the Israel Security Industrial Complex, which is in the U.S. and wants to grow.

Miriam didn't give Sheldon's favorite necktie to Trump.... or that $100 Million to him, just for nothing.

Trump Pledges to Restore Israel Lobby's Power Over Congress


WATCH the entire OP video, it is well worth the watch.

[PAF]

That is the most comprehensive video that I have seen. I requested a front page of this. Kudos to Whitney, and for @jmdrake for sharing this!

This truly is a must watch for those who want to be-in-the-know, start-to-finish.

[PAF]

That is the most comprehensive video that I have seen. I requested a front page of this. Kudos to Whitney, and for @jmdrake for sharing this!

This truly is a must watch for those who want to be-in-the-know, start-to-finish.

@Anti Federalist , for all of the years that you have been posting here, perhaps take the time to listen to this interview in its entirety so that you can fully understand what's going on and all of the players involved - including Trump, and others.

[ClaytonB]

@Anti Federalist, this is why Trump less than simply "not a friend." During 2019 Trump capitulated to Blackrock's demands to start the COVID 19 bailout train running. And in Februray 2020 both Trump AND Dr. Fauci were downplaying COVID as being "miniscule" even though Trump would later say he knew it would be bad but he "didn't want people to panic." Whitey Webb is also the one who exposed that William Barr, who covered up Epstein's murder, was connected to Epstein's girlfriend's father. (That was covered in another interview with either JImmy Dore or Patrick David Bet). And of course Kamala Harris has Blackrock folks running her financial team. It's all connected. We're all screwed.

I listened to the whole thing.

Webb is a wealth of excellent information, and she raises many good concerns in the video.

The issue is like the photo of Trump with Epstein -- what does it prove except that he is in the orbit of the ultra-wealthy and ultra-powerful? In itself, it doesn't prove he has evil motives or that he's up to no good.

Another example is the bump-stock ban. I don't know why Trump gave that to the Dems, but I'm willing to bet that it was a cheap concession in order to get some other, more useful concession out of them. And bump-stocks are not really a proper tactical device that anybody should be using for any serious purpose anyway. The only reason bump-stocks exist is so we can go around the NFA and make the semi-auto go Brrrr. They shouldn't be banned, but there are 100,000 similar examples of Federal over-reach that could also be cited on exactly the same grounds. So, it was a trivial concession and we don't have the full story. Yet PAF and other anti-Trumpers on this forum keep trying to make hay out of the bump-stock ban. Same goes for the vaxx. Trump took credit for it, but he blocked them from making it mandatory. The mandatory vaxx nonsense only started up under Biden. But the anti-Trumpers here keep trying to make it out like Trump was participating in the COVID tyranny. They almost impeached him for saying that the testing was out-of-control, which we now know for proven fact was the truth. They were baiting the 25th Amendment after he pointed out that there are effective alternatives, such as HCQ. If he's just part of the Agenda, why bother with the theatrics? The theory makes no sense even on its own assumptions.

She's absolutely right that none of the people currently being held up as "saviors" are any such thing. However, Webb is a secularist IIRC and I think that she misses the mark when she argues that this is a war between the billionaires (etc.) and the rest of us. It is not. For all the wickedness of the satanists, our war is not even with them as such, rather, our war is truly spiritual. Those of us who are believers are ultimately fighting that war, a war against the wicked spirit beings who have dominated this world-order until now, and will presumably continue dominating it until God strikes them down. Thus, even the billionaires and the oligarchs and the rest of them are not ultimately our enemy. Some of them really are, some of them are among the reprobate. And some of them God will strike with madness, as he did Nebuchadnezzar, thus saving them from damnation. Thus, we are wrong to draw a pencil-line around that group of humans and assert, "These specific flesh-and-blood humans are my enemy." They may be temporal enemies in the sense that they oppose freedom and thus make themselves our temporal enemies, like the crook who breaks in and steals your stuff. But God can save even the crook. He can save even the billionaire. He can save even the oligarch.

Given that, I prefer to analyze Trump through the lens of whether he can be or is being used by God to accomplish a good purpose, whether or not Trump-in-himself is a good guy or a bad guy. I hope he's a good guy. I hope and pray that he is saved. Only God knows for sure. In the meantime, the mere presence of some smoke around Trump does not mean that he is necessarily on fire. He is in a circuit of people who are all dirty to one degree or another. All of these Swamp creatures are all bad news. Trump could bring in some backwoods folks, pure as the driven snow, to sit on his cabinet, but they would be spun in circles by the Swamp creatures they're supposed to be draining out.

So, it's more complicated than just litmus-testing Trump's social network. He's two-degrees removed from Thiel. I agree that's concerning. But it's smoke, not fire-itself. The other way to look at it is that Trump has done Thiel a favor. And that means Thiel now owes Trump a favor. Maybe that will become relevant later on, who knows.

What will tip me back to the Trump-skeptic side of the scale is if Trump is shoo'd in -- if the Dems themselves clear the way and everything is just smooth-sailing into January, no hiccups, etc., I will be worried. But I strongly doubt that will actually happen. Every indication is that the Deep State truly needs Trump to never be POTUS again, or else many of them are apparently dead, for real. And given that, the desperation we saw with the assassination attempt is only going to increase if Trump wins. They're either going to cheat like they've never cheated before, and force a Kamala "win", or they're going to lose and then riot like mad. If neither of those things happen, then I'll get worried. Until then, I remain hopeful.

Our battle is not against flesh and blood...

[PAF]

I listened to the whole thing.

Webb is a wealth of excellent information, and she raises many good concerns in the video.

The issue is like the photo of Trump with Epstein -- what does it prove except that he is in the orbit of the ultra-wealthy and ultra-powerful? In itself, it doesn't prove he has evil motives or that he's up to no good.

Another example is the bump-stock ban. I don't know why Trump gave that to the Dems... [etc. etc. VAX, .etc. etc. $8+T, etc. etc.]

Replace the word Trump with the word Obama. What would your analogy be? The same? Different?


Do principles apply?

Is the word "excuse" more pleasing to the ear than "principle", when it comes to your own, but not the other?

[buck000]

I appreciated the video. Webb is awesome, I've watched her before. A lot of her points were suppositions, but many more seemed based on verifiable records.

She convinced me that voting for one or the other for POTUS really won't matter. Now I just have to get unlazy and become more involved in my community.

[Swordsmyth]

@Anti Federalist, this is why Trump less than simply "not a friend." During 2019 Trump capitulated to Blackrock's demands to start the COVID 19 bailout train running. And in Februray 2020 both Trump AND Dr. Fauci were downplaying COVID as being "miniscule" even though Trump would later say he knew it would be bad but he "didn't want people to panic." Whitey Webb is also the one who exposed that William Barr, who covered up Epstein's murder, was connected to Epstein's girlfriend's father. (That was covered in another interview with either JImmy Dore or Patrick David Bet). And of course Kamala Harris has Blackrock folks running her financial team. It's all connected. We're all screwed.

Trump didn't start the Bailout.
Trump rightly downplayed the threat of covid because it was just a bad cold that the media and the deepstate were hyping to ram their agenda through, people like Fauci only downplayed it at first because they were trying to stop Trump from restricting travel to China etc. to keep it out of the US.

[devil21]

She doesn't sound in good health so I hope she is paying attention to her surroundings. Being careful about what she eats, drinks and who she keeps close to her. She speaks of very powerful people who would like her to go away.

[ClaytonB]

Replace the word Trump with the word Obama. What would your analogy be? The same? Different?

Do principles apply?

Is the word "excuse" more pleasing to the ear than "principle", when it comes to your own, but not the other?

Well, yes, I would say the same thing overall with Obama, in that, it is ultimately God who is in control. The difference is that Obama directly stated his intentions (to impose Marxism in the US) and followed through on them. Trump has stated his intentions (to drain the Swamp) and, while I will grant that he failed at that goal (draining the Swamp) as 45, that doesn't mean he was lying or didn't try. If you are trying to argue that draining the Swamp is a trivial matter that any POTUS could easily achieve, then explain to me why Ron Paul was swept out of the 2008 race, despite drawing massive crowds that were incomparably more energized than either Dem or Rep rallies? The Swamp is real, and the difficulty of draining it is amply proved by recent history -- the Tea Party, the '08 Ron Paul campaign, and now MAGA. These movements, despite their superficial differences, all participate in substantially the same political sentiment: DC is so far off the map of constitutionality that it has become nothing more than a pirates' cove that has permanently installed itself and raids and plunders the 50 States as it sees fits. Some people will shy away from stating the case that strongly, but everyone who has been part of these dissenter movements is substantially somewhere along that spectrum of opposition to DC itself, as an institution, lock-stock-and-barrel.

As for principles, we already have them spelled out in black-and-white by the founders: government exists only to secure the rights of the people to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness and when any government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it. The contract that We The People made with the Federal government was spelled out in the Constitution. Already by 1861, the Federal government had made its objectives crystal-clear (to make a European-style, centralized nation-state with governing provinces, rather than independent States). In 1913, the stakes were ratcheted up further, with the establishment of a central bank and the institution of direct taxation of individual Americans, in direct affront to apportionment required by the Constitution. Following 1941, the National Security State was created and the Federal government practically achieved omnipotence. No empire has ever had anything remotely close to the power that the US government has, post-WW2. Then, the globalists, who had been quietly waiting in the wings, came out of the shadows and captured the Ring of Power that had been forged in our shores; this capture was irreversibly sealed no later than the Patriot Act. The US government has been 100% under the thrall of the globalists since 9/11, with just a few lone voices in the wilderness dissenting, such as Ron Paul, Thomas Massie, etc.

It is in this context that Trump arrived on the scene in 2016, as a joke/throwaway candidate that the neoCONs hated (thus, did not support and made backroom deals to betray during the election, which they did). "She was never supposed to lose." I know, I was there. Trump winning was on nobody's radar, at least, not in the blue-state area of the country I am from. Literally no one around me (left or right) believed Trump would be elected. The poll numbers showed he was losing, he was portrayed as an unserious candidate because of his time in entertainment, and his policy proposals were laughed down as loudly as anything Ron Paul ever said. Granted, Trump has not opposed the Fed and he remains determinedly silent on that matter to this day. This is one reason I wish we had someone with the ideology of Ron Paul and the mass-appeal of Trump. Now, that would be an ideal candidate! But we don't have that. But Trump did achieve one thing that Ron Paul couldn't, and that is, he mostly stalled the MIC for the four years he was in office. I don't think this is because Trump is generally anti-war (I wish he was more anti-war!), but I do think it is because Trump understands the power-calculus and the history of how the globalists captured the United States which I explained in the previous paragraph. So, he understands the measures that have to be taken to crowbar the globalists' claws out of their death-grip on America. This is why his continued silence on the Fed is very concerning to me. Either he's running stealth-mode, or he will be yet another failed attempt to take down the globalist leviathan. The Federal Reserve is the beating heart of the globalist leviathan. It cannot be stopped without piercing its heart. All half-measures are doomed to fail.

In the end, all I can really do is pray, and trust God to take care of the rest...

[Anti Federalist]

Well, I watched about 15 minutes of that, and she makes valid points, with which I already agree.

I don't need to be told that Jews have an unprecedented amount of sway and influence in American and world politics and trends.

I'll give the rest a try a little later.

[PAF]

Trump rightly downplayed the threat of covid because it was just a bad cold that the media and the deepstate were hyping to ram their agenda through, people like Fauci only downplayed it at first because they were trying to stop Trump from restricting travel to China etc. to keep it out of the US.

The Record says otherwise. Did you forget all of the planning that he was involved with during his first 3 years to make it all happen? I hope you don't make me post all of that again.


- Trump decries "Reckless anti-vaccine rhetoric, anti-vaccine conspiracy theories"

- Trump White House orders FDA chief to authorize Pfizer vaccine by Friday or submit his resignation.

- Trump: Vax a "Medical Miracle" -"I pushed the FDA Like Nobody's Been Pushed Before"

- Trump administration: Employers can require workers to get COVID-19 vaccine.

Trump: "Looks like a third rate Grandstander named @REPThomasMassie, a Congressman from, unfortunately, a truly GREAT State, Kentucky, wants to vote against....... WIN BACK HOUSE, but throw Massie out of Republican Party!"

[ClaytonB]

The Record says otherwise. Did you forget all of the planning that he was involved with during his first 3 years to make it all happen? I hope you don't make me post all of that again.


- Trump decries "Reckless anti-vaccine rhetoric, anti-vaccine conspiracy theories"

- Trump White House orders FDA chief to authorize Pfizer vaccine by Friday or submit his resignation.

- Trump: Vax a "Medical Miracle" -"I pushed the FDA Like Nobody's Been Pushed Before"

- Trump administration: Employers can require workers to get COVID-19 vaccine.

Trump: "Looks like a third rate Grandstander named @REPThomasMassie, a Congressman from, unfortunately, a truly GREAT State, Kentucky, wants to vote against....... WIN BACK HOUSE, but throw Massie out of Republican Party!"

While I will agree that all of those are L's in Trump's column, most of them are just taken out of context and overblown. As for Massie, I really do see that as a separate phenomenon... Massie did the right thing, but Trump operates on the basis of old-fashioned politics (political whip, etc.) So, he used Tweets as the biggest political bullhorn ever and to keep everybody marching on his current agenda -- he did it all the time, not just to Massie. Trump was wrong in this case, but I don't think his wrongness extended beyond whipping on Massie. It wasn't part of some larger march to quash dissent.

[jmdrake]

I listened to the whole thing.

Webb is a wealth of excellent information, and she raises many good concerns in the video.

Glad you enjoyed it.

The issue is like the photo of Trump with Epstein -- what does it prove except that he is in the orbit of the ultra-wealthy and ultra-powerful? In itself, it doesn't prove he has evil motives or that he's up to no good.

It goes beyond that. Trump gave power to evil people! I don't know if Trump okayed Jeffery Epstein's recruitment of one of Trump's under aged workers. (That certainly happened and there's no evidence that Trump did anything to stop that.) But Trump put William Barr, a man associated with Jeffery Espstein's girlfriends father, in charge of the Justice Department and then Trump just stood there and allowed William Barr to cover up Epstein's murder. It's disingenuous to simply call that Trump being "in the orbit of the ultra-wealthy and ultra-powerful." Mahatma Ghandi has been critized with being pen pals with Adolf Hitler. That can be excused as being friends with everybody. But had Ghandi recommended Adolf Hitler to be chair of the League of Nations that would be something entirely different. And Trump wasn't just in the "orbit" of Larry Fink. He let Larry Fink write policy! That includes the COVID bailout that began before COVID became a thing.

Another example is the bump-stock ban. I don't know why Trump gave that to the Dems, but I'm willing to bet that it was a cheap concession in order to get some other, more useful concession out of them. And bump-stocks are not really a proper tactical device that anybody should be using for any serious purpose anyway. The only reason bump-stocks exist is so we can go around the NFA and make the semi-auto go Brrrr. They shouldn't be banned, but there are 100,000 similar examples of Federal over-reach that could also be cited on exactly the same grounds. So, it was a trivial concession and we don't have the full story. Yet PAF and other anti-Trumpers on this forum keep trying to make hay out of the bump-stock ban.

The bump stock ban by executive order was unprecedented which is why it got struck down. It set the stage for Biden's ban of the pistol brace by executive order. The exact same thing happened with both bans. The ATF had already decided the accessory didn't violate the law. The POTUS decided to pressure the ATF to declare it was against the law. Americans who had already relied on the AFT's previous interepretation of the law were then penalized. You can put lipstick on a pig all you want but it's still a pig. Same for red flag laws and "Take the guns first then have due process" (direct Trump quote). Sorry but that's a horrible example to prove whatever it is you're trying to prove.

Same goes for the vaxx. Trump took credit for it, but he blocked them from making it mandatory. The mandatory vaxx nonsense only started up under Biden. But the anti-Trumpers here keep trying to make it out like Trump was participating in the COVID tyranny. They almost impeached him for saying that the testing was out-of-control, which we now know for proven fact was the truth. They were baiting the 25th Amendment after he pointed out that there are effective alternatives, such as HCQ. If he's just part of the Agenda, why bother with the theatrics? The theory makes no sense even on its own assumptions.

Okay. Provide a single source that shows Trump blocked a single vaccine mandate! Seriouly the vaccine wasn't avaialbe in large quantities until Trump was out of office! Vaccinations didn't even BEGIN in the U.S. until December 2020.

In Janurary 2021 Dr. Fauci was agreeing to a Joe Biden's goal of 100 million vaccines in the first 100 days WHEN THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION HAD PROMISED 100 MILLION VACCINES BY THE END OF FEBRUARY!

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/transcr...nuary-24-2021/

So WHO WAS PUSHING VACCINE MANDATES WHILE TRUMP WAS STILL IN OFFICE? Nobody! There weren't even enough vaccines at that point for the people that wanted them!

She's absolutely right that none of the people currently being held up as "saviors" are any such thing. However, Webb is a secularist IIRC and I think that she misses the mark when she argues that this is a war between the billionaires (etc.) and the rest of us. It is not. For all the wickedness of the satanists, our war is not even with them as such, rather, our war is truly spiritual. Those of us who are believers are ultimately fighting that war, a war against the wicked spirit beings who have dominated this world-order until now, and will presumably continue dominating it until God strikes them down. Thus, even the billionaires and the oligarchs and the rest of them are not ultimately our enemy. Some of them really are, some of them are among the reprobate. And some of them God will strike with madness, as he did Nebuchadnezzar, thus saving them from damnation. Thus, we are wrong to draw a pencil-line around that group of humans and assert, "These specific flesh-and-blood humans are my enemy." They may be temporal enemies in the sense that they oppose freedom and thus make themselves our temporal enemies, like the crook who breaks in and steals your stuff. But God can save even the crook. He can save even the billionaire. He can save even the oligarch.

Sorry, but your pont is is 100% irrelevant in that Whitney was clearly pointing out that no human is coming to save you. And her solution fits 100% in line with any true Christian which is to quit looking to the government or to any politician and instead look for local solutions with like minded people. (i.e. a church). The fact that you somehow think Trump was "blocking" a vaccine mandate with zero evidence to that effect shows that Whitney is being more "spiritual" in this particular instance.

Given that, I prefer to analyze Trump through the lens of whether he can be or is being used by God to accomplish a good purpose, whether or not Trump-in-himself is a good guy or a bad guy. I hope he's a good guy. I hope and pray that he is saved. Only God knows for sure. In the meantime, the mere presence of some smoke around Trump does not mean that he is necessarily on fire. He is in a circuit of people who are all dirty to one degree or another. All of these Swamp creatures are all bad news. Trump could bring in some backwoods folks, pure as the driven snow, to sit on his cabinet, but they would be spun in circles by the Swamp creatures they're supposed to be draining out.

God can, and does, use every person in power to accomplish His aims whether that person wants to follow God or not. That includes Trump, Obama, Clinton, Bush, whoever.

Daniel 4:17

‘This decision is by the decree of the watchers, And the sentence by the word of the holy ones, In order that the living may know That the Most High rules in the kingdom of men, Gives it to whomever He will, And sets over it the lowest of men.’

Nothing is more irritating than Christians who can only see "God's hand" when the person they align with is in power. And yes, I've rebuked Christian on the left who can't imagine God working through Trump as well. That said, Trump said himself that he doesn't recall ever "apologizing" to God. I'm not sure how anybody can call him a Christian based on that alone.

So, it's more complicated than just litmus-testing Trump's social network. He's two-degrees removed from Thiel. I agree that's concerning. But it's smoke, not fire-itself. The other way to look at it is that Trump has done Thiel a favor. And that means Thiel now owes Trump a favor. Maybe that will become relevant later on, who knows.

Again, we're not talking about Trump's "social network." That's disingenous. We're talking about who advised Trump on police that Trump actually followed and who did Trump put in positions of power.

What will tip me back to the Trump-skeptic side of the scale is if Trump is shoo'd in -- if the Dems themselves clear the way and everything is just smooth-sailing into January, no hiccups, etc., I will be worried. But I strongly doubt that will actually happen. Every indication is that the Deep State truly needs Trump to never be POTUS again, or else many of them are apparently dead, for real. And given that, the desperation we saw with the assassination attempt is only going to increase if Trump wins. They're either going to cheat like they've never cheated before, and force a Kamala "win", or they're going to lose and then riot like mad. If neither of those things happen, then I'll get worried. Until then, I remain hopeful.

You must have either never watched wrestling or never realized that wrestling is staged. (I have a childhood friend who was and maybe still is a pro wrestler on a small local circuit and he explaned to me the difference between "staged" and "fake.") The people who clearly got Trump to do their bidding the first time don't need a "shoo in." For one thing a nail biter makes better political theater. For another thing as long as they control, or at the very least "strongly influence" both sides, it doesn't matter who wins.

Our battle is not against flesh and blood...

Yes. I understand that. I'm not sure you do however. I think you think you do. Donald Trump is "flesh and bones." Kamala Harris is "flesh and bones." Joe Biden is "flesh and bones." The "principalties and powers and spiritual wickedness in high places" are the not-so-secret societies that have their influence everywhere. That is what Whitney Webb is exposing. You're going through mental gymnastics trying to justify the idea that those principalities and powers didn't do through the Trump administration what the evidence clearly shows they did do.

I'll watch that later.

[jmdrake]

Trump didn't start the Bailout.

It was started in 2019. Trump was president. COVID wasn't yet an emergency.

Trump rightly downplayed the threat of covid because it was just a bad cold that the media and the deepstate were hyping to ram their agenda through, people like Fauci only downplayed it at first because they were trying to stop Trump from restricting travel to China etc. to keep it out of the US.

Bollocks. Trump downplayed the threat because Fauci in February of 2020 was downplaying the threat and Fauci downplayed the threat to cover up his involement in China. I've already given you references for that.

[jmdrake]

I appreciated the video. Webb is awesome, I've watched her before. A lot of her points were suppositions, but many more seemed based on verifiable records.

She convinced me that voting for one or the other for POTUS really won't matter. Now I just have to get unlazy and become more involved in my community.

She's a walking encyclopedia of conspiracy facts that's she's able to rattle off seemingly without pausing to take a breath. It's litterally like drinking from a firehouse.

[jmdrake]

The Record says otherwise. Did you forget all of the planning that he was involved with during his first 3 years to make it all happen? I hope you don't make me post all of that again.


- Trump decries "Reckless anti-vaccine rhetoric, anti-vaccine conspiracy theories"

- Trump White House orders FDA chief to authorize Pfizer vaccine by Friday or submit his resignation.

- Trump: Vax a "Medical Miracle" -"I pushed the FDA Like Nobody's Been Pushed Before"

- Trump administration: Employers can require workers to get COVID-19 vaccine.

Trump: "Looks like a third rate Grandstander named @REPThomasMassie, a Congressman from, unfortunately, a truly GREAT State, Kentucky, wants to vote against....... WIN BACK HOUSE, but throw Massie out of Republican Party!"

Yep. In February 2020 both Trump and Fauci were downplaying the seriousness of the pandemic. And then in March 202 they were both acting like it was the end of the world. That's what @Swordsmyth misses. It's like Trump and Fauci pro wrestling tag team partners.

[jmdrake]

Well, I watched about 15 minutes of that, and she makes valid points, with which I already agree.

I don't need to be told that Jews have an unprecedented amount of sway and influence in American and world politics and trends.

I'll give the rest a try a little later.

A lot was old hat for me too. The biggest piece of new information for me was the bailout starting in 2019 prior to the WHO declaring COVID an emergency. I'll listen again when I have time and give the timestamp for that and other things in the video that were knew for me.

[ClaytonB]

It goes beyond that. Trump gave power to evil people! I don't know if Trump okayed Jeffery Epstein's recruitment of one of Trump's under aged workers. (That certainly happened and there's no evidence that Trump did anything to stop that.) But Trump put William Barr, a man associated with Jeffery Espstein's girlfriends father, in charge of the Justice Department and then Trump just stood there and allowed William Barr to cover up Epstein's murder. It's disingenuous to simply call that Trump being "in the orbit of the ultra-wealthy and ultra-powerful." Mahatma Ghandi has been critized with being pen pals with Adolf Hitler. That can be excused as being friends with everybody. But had Ghandi recommended Adolf Hitler to be chair of the League of Nations that would be something entirely different. And Trump wasn't just in the "orbit" of Larry Fink. He let Larry Fink write policy! That includes the COVID bailout that began before COVID became a thing.

I'm not disputing any facts. The difference in our views is that I am following the principle of charity, in abundance, in interpreting Trump's actions as 45, because we know that God has provided a way of escape (1 Cor. 10:13) and I want to believe that is Trump. Aka I have hope.

The bump stock ban by executive order was unprecedented which is why it got struck down. It set the stage for Biden's ban of the pistol brace by executive order. The exact same thing happened with both bans. The ATF had already decided the accessory didn't violate the law. The POTUS decided to pressure the ATF to declare it was against the law. Americans who had already relied on the AFT's previous interepretation of the law were then penalized. You can put lipstick on a pig all you want but it's still a pig. Same for red flag laws and "Take the guns first then have due process" (direct Trump quote). Sorry but that's a horrible example to prove whatever it is you're trying to prove.

No real argument except that this is absolutely run-of-the-mill in DC. I don't do litmus-testing, we're a trillion lightyears beyond the point where litmus-testing would be relevant. The hurdle is so low that Trump not starting a new war for four years is itself a Herculean accomplishment. Litmus-testing on the legalities of an EO ban on this or that firearms accessory is just not important. I understand all the slippery-slope arguments but it just really is not important.

Okay. Provide a single source that shows Trump blocked a single vaccine mandate! Seriouly the vaccine wasn't avaialbe in large quantities until Trump was out of office! Vaccinations didn't even BEGIN in the U.S. until December 2020.

I'm going off rusty memory here, but I recall Trump saying that Americans have the right to choose how they will be treated and that the vaccine is the best option but it shouldn't be mandatory. I don't know if there were any official acts or just speeches, either way, he took a lot of heat for espousing HCQ and other alternatives as viable options. He talked up the vaccine as the best, but said there were other options and they practically wanted to nuke the White House for him saying that.

Sorry, but your pont is is 100% irrelevant in that Whitney was clearly pointing out that no human is coming to save you. And her solution fits 100% in line with any true Christian which is to quit looking to the government or to any politician and instead look for local solutions with like minded people. (i.e. a church). The fact that you somehow think Trump was "blocking" a vaccine mandate with zero evidence to that effect shows that Whitney is being more "spiritual" in this particular instance.

My point is not irrelevant at all. The billionaire class are not our enemy, this is a standard Marxist talking-point and Webb is falling for it, starting from a different angle, i.e. that the tech-billionaires have become private extensions of the MIC. It is true that many of these tech billionaires are just fronts for the MIC but wealth by itself doesn't tell you who is on which side. And the reason for that is that our war is not against flesh and blood. So, I'm not saying to look to the government for salvation -- you will be hard-pressed to find a more anti-State participant on this forum. As for the word "block", I admit my memory is rusty and it may have been the backlash against Trump's support for alternatives (leaving open the option to not take the vaccine) that I'm recollecting. Trump's actions here are actually heroic in that, at the time, the Left was treating anything less than 100% vaxx-compliance as outright murder, but Trump and DeSantis set the stage to prick that bubble. Once Red-states saw that there was an option to not go along with the vaxx-mandate insanity, that whole line of attempted tyranny collapsed across Red-state America. And it was Trump who was the first to make that politically possible by making sure to educate the public on alternatives to the vaxx. As far as I can tell, the only reason he wanted credit for "Warp Speed" was that they were forcing the vaxx through no matter what, and so he wanted to at least get credit for getting the job done quick.

God can, and does, use every person in power to accomplish His aims whether that person wants to follow God or not. That includes Trump, Obama, Clinton, Bush, whoever.

Right, but there is a pattern to how God works. Those rulers who are neutral or even friendly to God's kingdom are sometimes used as a King Cyrus, a friend of God's people who himself may be pagan. Those rulers who are openly hostile to God are dealt with in one of two ways: (a) they are ground to powder and replaced or (b) they are struck with madness, plagues, etc., humbled, and converted to belief in God, then used by God. In no case has God ever delivered his people by the hand of a wicked ruler. Pharaoh fought to the bitter end and his army was drowned in the Red Sea. Sennacherib came against Jerusalem threatening to topple Almighty God himself, and 185,000 of his army died overnight. So, an open blasphemer in the White House can only result in one of two courses of action if God is to deliver us from this present evil: (a) God grinds them to powder and replaces them, or (b) God strikes them with a plague and converts them by force. In no case will God orchestrate deliverance of his people through the hands of a blasphemer. That makes no sense at all.

Nothing is more irritating than Christians who can only see "God's hand" when the person they align with is in power.

Except one thing, even more irritating: online partisan hacks who are so myopically focused on the Trump-is-evil-incarnate narrative, that they don't even read or pay attention to the actual post they're responding to. Nowhere have I said that Trump is a person I "align with". Of all Presidents in recent memory, Trump is the first to take a real stab in the direction of the heart of tyranny in DC, and he did that by starting no new wars, by starving the MIC. So yes, that got my attention, and I will acknowledge that was a brave course of action. I could list 100 different things that Trump could do to improve, but if he gets in and accomplishes only one thing as 47, do more of what he did as 45 and keep starving the MIC. Another 4 years of no new wars would be a great continuation of 45!

And yes, I've rebuked Christian on the left who can't imagine God working through Trump as well.

God "works through" all things without exception, Romans 8:28, including actual evil. But when it comes to the way in which God works for the deliverance of his people, it's not merely a question of whether God is sovereign over history, or not. Rather, it's a question of honor. Will God honor Biden in anything whatsoever? Absolutely not. Will he give him even the honor of being a pagan that allies with believers to orchestrate the deliverance of believers? No way! Anyone who is in open blasphemy of God will not be used by God as a public figure of deliverance in any way, shape or form. They can only be destroyed or ignored by him. God has clearly been ignoring POTUS for all the time I've been voting age (late 90's) and probably long before that. A POTUS that will at least acknowledge God in a minimal way ("go through the motions") and refrain from espousing openly blasphemous views/policies, perhaps that is someone God would publicly use. Otherwise, God does not need even POTUS, he has 100 million harvest angels (Rev. 5:11), chomping at the bit to torch this entire planet and sift the ashes.

That said, Trump said himself that he doesn't recall ever "apologizing" to God. I'm not sure how anybody can call him a Christian based on that alone.

I don't think he even understood the question. I have no opinion whatsoever about Trump's standing before God. He may be the worst man on earth, or the best, only God knows that. What I do know, is that Trump is not openly blaspheming God (supporting abortion, while claiming the mantle of "Christianity"), he is not actively oppressing the church (Wokism), and so on. As a citizen, this is the minimum requirement I have for any civil servant, and the rest is between that individual and God.

Yes. I understand that. I'm not sure you do however. I think you think you do. Donald Trump is "flesh and bones." Kamala Harris is "flesh and bones." Joe Biden is "flesh and bones."

Correct. However, they are each the face/front of something else behind them. That "something else" is the thing that I'm talking about.

The "principalties and powers and spiritual wickedness in high places" are the not-so-secret societies that have their influence everywhere.

It's not that simple, either. Many people get involved in occult, and later escape it. So, our battle is truly not with flesh and blood, meaning, not with other humans-as-humans. There is no group of humans that, if we could just wipe them out, would finally restore peace in this world. Thus, we are not called to that. Rather, we are called to spiritual warfare, which begins with Scripture, prayer and fellowship with other believers - the church. While Satan's strongholds have a lot of overlap with the secret societies, it is not a 1-to-1 map.

That is what Whitney Webb is exposing. You're going through mental gymnastics trying to justify the idea that those principalities and powers didn't do through the Trump administration what the evidence clearly shows they did do.

Nope. I actually use my brain and don't settle for partisan factionalism, which is why you can't understand anything I say. I'm not "pro-Trump". Rather, I can envision a scenario in my mind in which God uses Trump 47 to facilitate an exodus of believers from the jaws which are already clamping down upon them, jaws which started to snap shut right after 9/11, and which are just now almost at lockjaw position. Think of it this way -- I see Trump as a crash-landing and Harris as a crash. Either way, this plane is crashing. I just hope there will be someone at the controls actually pulling up, rather than pushing down to make the crash even worse. There can be no doubt that this country is presently already under God's judgment. We're all about to be subjected to historically unprecedented suffering, no matter how the election turns out. I just don't want my friends, family and other countrymen to be hurt as bad as the network-of-evil intends to hurt them. I hope and pray that God will use a Trump 47 to soften the crash-landing for the sake of the truly righteous remnant in this country. Sadly, spiritually speaking, I don't see a high percentage of a MAGA crowd as actually being among that righteous remnant. There's too much thin-blue-line pharisaism on the right and God is not at all going to be impressed by that when he returns. Some of those people are going to be told, "Get away from me, I never knew you", even though they think they are at the head of the line to get into heaven. But no matter how many hypocrites there are in the church, there are the righteous among them. And it is those people I pray for and which I hope to be counted among. And great hardship has always been attended by great spiritual revival, so I pray that God may bring in a spiritual harvest like never before as we enter the coming phase of extreme pain...

[jmdrake]

I'm not disputing any facts. The difference in our views is that I am following the principle of charity, in abundance, in interpreting Trump's actions as 45, because we know that God has provided a way of escape (1 Cor. 10:13) and I want to believe that is Trump. Aka I have hope.

Matthew 7:16-20
King James Version
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

If you are judging Biden or Clinton or Obama with the same "charity" that's one thing. I haven't noticed you do that. Obama, for all of his faults, at least put the brakes on gain of function research. It was restarted December 2017 under Trump.

No real argument except that this is absolutely run-of-the-mill in DC. I don't do litmus-testing, we're a trillion lightyears beyond the point where litmus-testing would be relevant. The hurdle is so low that Trump not starting a new war for four years is itself a Herculean accomplishment. Litmus-testing on the legalities of an EO ban on this or that firearms accessory is just not important. I understand all the slippery-slope arguments but it just really is not important.

I don't see what not starting a war has to do with setting the precedent, that Biden followed, of banning a gun accessory via executive order after the ATF said the accessory was legal. (And note that I didn't even bring up the bumpfire stock ban in this thread and Whitney Webb didn't bring it up at all in the video). If we're going to play the irrelevant good fact over comes the bad fact game, Obama stopped gain of function research in 2014, he allowed via executive order for guns to be taken into national parks and on Amtrack trains. He aslo allowed schools to opt out of Bush's "No child left behind" nonsense. And for the record I've been open on this forum and others for agreeing with Trump on the First Step Act (ending the racist 1993 Clinton/Biden crime bill and freeing a lot of non violent prisoners), permanent funding for Historically Black Colleges and Universities and proposing the Plaintium Plan which is the closest a Republican president has ever come to endorsing reprations. So I don't see why you're playing the "Trump did something good" game. I never said he didn't. I put up a video that showed some specific things Trump did, either directly or indirectlhy through proxy's that he put in power. Are you interesting in actually addressing the video?

I'm going off rusty memory here, but I recall Trump saying that Americans have the right to choose how they will be treated and that the vaccine is the best option but it shouldn't be mandatory. I don't know if there were any official acts or just speeches, either way, he took a lot of heat for espousing HCQ and other alternatives as viable options. He talked up the vaccine as the best, but said there were other options and they practically wanted to nuke the White House for him saying that.

I fairly certain that Trump never saying anything about whether or not a vaccine should be mandatory, but you're ignoring the fact that in 2020 NOBODY was saying the vaccine that Trump was championing should be mandatory! In fact during the debates, both Biden and Harris both said they would NOT take the vaccine if Trump said to take it. And again, the vaccine wasn't even ready for all of the people who wanted it until after Trump was out of office. This is like saying "Elon Musk is pushing to develop brain chips but he isn't talking about mandating them." Of course he isn't. Nobody is. The brain chips aren't even ready for voluntary mass adoption at this point. As for Trump's statements about hydroxycloroquine or ivermectin, none of those medicines have ever been conclusively proven to be effective against COVID. And yes I've read the studies. You know what has been conclusively proven to fight COVID? Sunlight, exercise and fresh air. And Trump, on advice of Dr. Fauci, pressured governors to shut down parks, beaches and exercise gyms at the same time that liquor stores were left open. As late as April 2020, Trump was tweeting against the governors of Florida and Georgia opening up. Both of those states are warmer than most of the country, especially Florida, and sunlight and heat kill all coronaviruses and Fauci knew that but lied and covered it up. That was the point of the press coference about ultraviolet light killing the virus qucikly that Trump derailed when he started talking about taking light "inside the body" and then talking about how disinfected killed the virus and there "I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning." I will give Trump credit for saying churches could be open in May 2020. But he never said anything about vaccine mandates while he was in office because it simply wasn't an issue.

My point is not irrelevant at all.

Nobody ever thinks their point is irrelevant.

The billionaire class are not our enemy, this is a standard Marxist talking-point and Webb is falling for it, starting from a different angle, i.e. that the tech-billionaires have become private extensions of the MIC.

The oligarch billionaires, tech or otherwise, that push the bailouts are the enemy and that's not a "Marxist talking point." Blackrock is not a tech company. It's a finance company that uses the levers of government for their own ends. It's corporatism that's the problem and corporatism is fascism. Fascism is the problem. People who mis-use the government for their own financial gain.

It is true that many of these tech billionaires are just fronts for the MIC but wealth by itself doesn't tell you who is on which side. And the reason for that is that our war is not against flesh and blood. So, I'm not saying to look to the government for salvation -- you will be hard-pressed to find a more anti-State participant on this forum. As for the word "block", I admit my memory is rusty and it may have been the backlash against Trump's support for alternatives (leaving open the option to not take the vaccine) that I'm recollecting. Trump's actions here are actually heroic in that, at the time, the Left was treating anything less than 100% vaxx-compliance as outright murder, but Trump and DeSantis set the stage to prick that bubble. Once Red-states saw that there was an option to not go along with the vaxx-mandate insanity, that whole line of attempted tyranny collapsed across Red-state America. And it was Trump who was the first to make that politically possible by making sure to educate the public on alternatives to the vaxx. As far as I can tell, the only reason he wanted credit for "Warp Speed" was that they were forcing the vaxx through no matter what, and so he wanted to at least get credit for getting the job done quick.

So....you're just going to ignore the fact that the COVID bailout started before COVID and instead focus on a vaccine mandate that Trump never had the opportunity to implement even if he wanted to because the vaccines weren't ready? Seriously?

Okay. Let's go back to Ron Paul 101. End The Fed. The Federal Reserve isn't directly tied to the MIC. But it indirectly funds the MIC. But that's not ALL it funds. It's the private/public partnership that funds everything through counterfeiting that's the issue. The MIC is merely a symption of the problem, not THE problem.

Right, but there is a pattern to how God works. Those rulers who are neutral or even friendly to God's kingdom are sometimes used as a King Cyrus, a friend of God's people who himself may be pagan. Those rulers who are openly hostile to God are dealt with in one of two ways: (a) they are ground to powder and replaced or (b) they are struck with madness, plagues, etc., humbled, and converted to belief in God, then used by God. In no case has God ever delivered his people by the hand of a wicked ruler. Pharaoh fought to the bitter end and his army was drowned in the Red Sea. Sennacherib came against Jerusalem threatening to topple Almighty God himself, and 185,000 of his army died overnight. So, an open blasphemer in the White House can only result in one of two courses of action if God is to deliver us from this present evil: (a) God grinds them to powder and replaces them, or (b) God strikes them with a plague and converts them by force. In no case will God orchestrate deliverance of his people through the hands of a blasphemer. That makes no sense at all.

This is what I call an "open blasphemer."

https://www.cnn.com/2015/07/18/polit...ess/index.html

Moderator Frank Luntz asked Trump whether he has ever asked God for forgiveness for his actions.

“I am not sure I have. I just go on and try to do a better job from there. I don’t think so,” he said. “I think if I do something wrong, I think, I just try and make it right. I don’t bring God into that picture. I don’t.”

Seriously, where is Sola Fide when you actually need him? What Trump said in ^that interview is diametrically opposed to the gospel of Jesus Christ!

Galations 2:16
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Galatians 1:8-9
King James Version
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Trump thinks he can "make right" his own sin? He can try to mitigate the consequences of hs own actions, but that's got nothing to do with God's forgiveness. That's a different "gospel" than what is in the New Testament. According to Paul anyone who spreads such a gospel is "accursed." You cannot make your sin "right." Only Jesus can do that. To claim that you can do what only Jesus can do is by definition blashemy.

Except one thing, even more irritating: online partisan hacks who are so myopically focused on the Trump-is-evil-incarnate narrative, that they don't even read or pay attention to the actual post they're responding to.

Please quote where I said Trump is evil incarnate. Because I didn't.

Nowhere have I said that Trump is a person I "align with". Of all Presidents in recent memory, Trump is the first to take a real stab in the direction of the heart of tyranny in DC, and he did that by starting no new wars, by starving the MIC.

You've sought to undercut Trump's actual appointments of evil men to positions of power and his acquiesance to the actions of those evil men are somehow just "litmus-testing Trump's social network" and somehow that's okay because Trump didn't "start any new wars." But your claim that Trump was "starving the MIC" is provably false.



Adjusted for inflation Trump increased spending for the MIC over Obama. Anyhow, you give Trump credit for not starting any new wars. I give Obama credit for putting the brakes on gain of function research for 2014 until the ban was lited in December 2017 under Trump. Which cost more lives? Obama's wars in Libya and Syria or the COVID-19 pandemic?

So yes, that got my attention, and I will acknowledge that was a brave course of action. I could list 100 different things that Trump could do to improve, but if he gets in and accomplishes only one thing as 47, do more of what he did as 45 and keep starving the MIC. Another 4 years of no new wars would be a great continuation of 45!

Except it's an absolute falsehood that Trump was "starving the MIC."

God "works through" all things without exception, Romans 8:28, including actual evil. But when it comes to the way in which God works for the deliverance of his people, it's not merely a question of whether God is sovereign over history, or not. Rather, it's a question of honor. Will God honor Biden in anything whatsoever? Absolutely not. Will he give him even the honor of being a pagan that allies with believers to orchestrate the deliverance of believers? No way! Anyone who is in open blasphemy of God can be used by God as a public figure in any way, shape or form. They can only be destroyed or ignored by him. God has clearly been ignoring POTUS for all the time I've been voting age (late 90's) and probably long before that. A POTUS that will at least acknowledge God in a minimal way ("go through the motions") and refrain from espousing openly blasphemous views/policies, perhaps that is someone God would publicly use. Otherwise, God does not need even POTUS, he has 100 million harvest angels (Rev. 5:11), chomping at the bit to torch this entire planet and sift the ashes.

Trump has stated open blasphemy and has not acknowledge God's sole role in atoning for or "making right" his sins.

I don't think he even understood the question. I have no opinion whatsoever about Trump's standing before God. He may be the worst man on earth, or the best, only God knows that. What I do know, is that Trump is not openly blaspheming God (supporting abortion, while claiming the mantle of "Christianity"), he is not actively oppressing the church (Wokism), and so on. As a citizen, this is the minimum requirement I have for any civil servant, and the rest is between that individual and God.

Matthew 15:9 "In vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." Supporting abortion rights is NOT blashpemy! In fact it's borderline blasphemy to call it blasphemy. Have you ever actually read the Roe v Wade opinion? I'm guessing you haven't. The opinion itself actually looks at all of the major U.S. religous traditions at the time, Protestantism, Catholocism and Judaism, and wrote that into the opinion. Protestantism has never as a whole taken a position that abortion is murder. Judaism doesn't take that position etither. It's Roman Catholocism that takes the exteme position that life begins at conception and that position leads to some absurd results. For intance recently in Alabama the IVF industry was thrown into chaos because the Alabama judiciary concluded that since abortion was banned from conception, that must mean the destruction of embryos was akin to killing human beings which opened up IVF clinics to wrongful death lawsuits. The Republican controlled legislatture scrambled to pass a bill to block this obviously logic, but wildly unpopular result. Republican U.S. Senator Kate Britt of Alabama also introduced leglislation to strip federal funding from states that restricted IVF clinics, but ironically it's only Republican states that ended up doing that.

There is no scripural basis for your belief that disagreeing on aboriton is blasphemy. It's not attributing to oneself the power of God like Trump did when he claimed he could fix his own sin. People can disagree on when life begins and still be Christians People can't claim to be able to fix their own sin problem and still be Christians. You're substituting belief with your position with blasphemy. And for the record, JD Vance has confirmed that Trump would veto a national abortion ban.

Correct. However, they are each the face/front of something else behind them. That "something else" is the thing that I'm talking about.

It's not that simple, either. Many people get involved in occult, and later escape it. So, our battle is truly not with flesh and blood, meaning, not with other humans-as-humans. There is no group of humans that, if we could just wipe them out, would finally restore peace in this world. Thus, we are not called to that. Rather, we are called to spiritual warfare, which begins with Scripture, prayer and fellowship with other believers - the church. While Satan's strongholds have a lot of overlap with the secret societies, it is not a 1-to-1 map.

Read the entire verse.

12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

You know what is an example of "spiritual wickedness in high places?" What you dismissively call "social networking." William Barr being put in a position to cover up the murder of his associate's daughter's boyfiend Jeffery Epstein is an example of "principalities and powers" and "spiritual wickedness in high places." But you're just going to ignore that because you're thankful for what Trump did regarding abortion.

Nope. I actually use my brain and don't settle for partisan factionalism, which is why you can't understand anything I say.

I can't understand what you say because some of what you're sauying is PROVABLY false! Like claiming Trump blocked the vaccine mandates or claiming Trump starved the military industrial complex when he actually increased military spending! And that's even worse considering that Trump increased the spending without a new war to justify it! But I get it now. Abortion is your big issue and you'll ignore Trump's blaphemous statements, his elevating evil men to positions of power, his going along with what those evil men did and everything else because....abortion. Okay. Got it. I understand now. I just disagree.

I'm not "pro-Trump".

Right. You're anti abortion. I get it. Trump accomplished something really important to you and you're ready to overlook other issues. Okay. The topic of the thread isn't "Trump is evil incarnate." It's litteally about issues that I feel are important. One of the most important issues is how COVID happened. And to unravel any conspiracy to have to folllow the money trail. And the money trail goes back to 2019 and how one of Trump's advisors got the bailout going prior to thw WHO even declaring COVID an emergency. That's the entire reason I posted this. And Kamala Harris is tied to the same people.

Rather, I can envision a scenario in my mind in which God uses Trump 47 to facilitate an exodus of believers from the jaws which are already clamping down upon them, jaws which started to snap shut right after 9/11, and which are just now almost at lockjaw position.

Trump supporting face scanning cameras at the border as a "virtual border wall" (something that Biden and Harris support) helps people "escape the jaws" of the post 9/11 police state how exactly?

Edit : At at 25 minutes in, Whitney Webb makes the exact same point I'm making about the border issue and militarizing the border as another way Trump is feeding (not starving) the MIC! She talks about how calling what's going on an "invasion" is a way to manufacture consent. You're arguing against the tech billionaires? Trump is feeding (not starving) them. And she specifically ties the border militirzation, by labeling it an invasion, to inccreasing the post 9/11 surveilance state. Sorry @Anti Federalist, but @PAF has a point, regardless of how legitimate your concerns are about illegal immigration, that it's being used to set up a police state. It doesn't matter if you disagree with the face scanning cameras at airports. They're going forward because Trump and Harris both agree on that. And that's the point that people keep missing. "I love what Trump did on (abortion, his remain in Mexico policy, 2A friendly judges, partially built physical border wall) so much that I'm going to straight up ignore what's right before my very eyes of Trump putting deep state actors into his proposed SECOND cabinet as "social network litmus testing." Forget for one freaking minute which "lesser of two evils" you're willing to accept and look BEYOND November 2024 and January 2025 and see what actual policies that are going to be proposed by the principalities and powers behind both Turmp and Harris and be ready to sand against them. Don't stick your head in the freaking sand and convince yourself that it's all going to be okay....because it's not.

[ClaytonB]

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It's Sunday, I'm not doing battle-of-the-walls-of-text today. Let's summarize, briefly: you and I are not going to agree, so there's really no point in arguing. To be blunt, I find the style of thinking that you employ to be downright obnoxious, just as I do with PAF and others. You make an outer pretense or show of sharp-reasoning and fact-based thinking but, in reality, you are just pushing a whole bunch of hyper-ventilated emotionalism, the same kind that has dominated the mainstream political Establishment in the US for probably a century or more. I am only interested in the cold, hard facts as God himself sees them, including from the divine perspective, meaning, with divine proportion and ratio. You find a bump-stock ban to be the pinnacle of tyranny. That's just downright silly from an eternal perspective. To me, that kind of hyper-ventilation over irrelevancies is emblematic of your entire way of thinking. So, not only do we not agree, we don't even agree on how to agree. I might as well be talking to a blued-haired Wokie, it would be an equally useless conversation.

PS: We've had other, good conversations. This is just not one of them.

[jmdrake]

It's Sunday, I'm not doing battle-of-the-walls-of-text today. Let's summarize, briefly: you and I are not going to agree, so there's really no point in arguing. To be blunt, I find the style of thinking that you employ to be downright obnoxious, just as I do with PAF and others. You make an outer pretense or show of sharp-reasoning and fact-based thinking but, in reality, you are just pushing a whole bunch of hyper-ventilated emotionalism, the same kind that has dominated the mainstream political Establishment in the US for probably a century or more. I am only interested in the cold, hard facts as God himself sees them, including from the divine perspective, meaning, with divine proportion and ratio. You find a bump-stock ban to be the pinnacle of tyranny. That's just downright silly from an eternal perspective. To me, that kind of hyper-ventilation over irrelevancies is emblematic of your entire way of thinking. So, not only do we not agree, we don't even agree on how to agree. I might as well be talking to a blued-haired Wokie, it would be an equally useless conversation.

PS: We've had other, good conversations. This is just not one of them.

And likewise I find your conversation obnoxious and downright dishonest. Trump did not "starve the MIC." I've provided proof to the contrary. Trump did not "block vaccine mandates" as there weren't enough COVID vaccines for the people that wanted them at any time prior to him leaving office. My "wall of text" was responding to your "wall of text" that had nothing to do with the actual video. Out of respect for you I actually responded to your points even though none of them were on topic. But I get it. Trump did something you like on abortion and that negates everything else including Trump claiming he doesn't need God's forgiveness. I wish you a good Sunday, but your "summary" isn't at all accurate. Enjoy your evening.

Edit: @ClaytonB I was reminded by another poster in a +rep of the commandment to "love one another." I do love you even though I vehemently disagree with you. I get you like certain things Trump has done a whole lot. That doesn't negate what the OP video was pointing out though.

[ClaytonB]

And likewise I find your conversation obnoxious and downright dishonest. Trump did not "starve the MIC." I've provided proof to the contrary. Trump did not "block vaccine mandates" as there weren't enough COVID vaccines for the people that wanted them at any time prior to him leaving office. My "wall of text" was responding to your "wall of text" that had nothing to do with the actual video. Out of respect for you I actually responded to your points even though none of them were on topic. But I get it. Trump did something you like on abortion and that negates everything else including Trump claiming he doesn't need God's forgiveness. I wish you a good Sunday, but your "summary" isn't at all accurate. Enjoy your evening.

Edit: @ClaytonB I was reminded by another poster in a +rep of the commandment to "love one another." I do love you even though I vehemently disagree with you. I get you like certain things Trump has done a whole lot. That doesn't negate what the OP video was pointing out though.

Yes, love one another, this is not an issue of love/hate, it's an issue of agree/disagree.

The problem that you, PAF, acptulsa and some others have, is that when the name "Trump" is mentioned, it triggers some weird "mode" in your brain... people have mockingly called it TDS, idk what to call it, all I know is that it's not rational.

As I have stated countless times in countless posts, for years now, I AM NOT A TRUMPER. I support Trump, but that's literally it. I think that Trump might be a strategic win for liberty in America. Idk that with certainty, but I hope it. And I know for a fact that Harris/Walz are an absolute disaster. There is currently no other alternative that can even logistically become POTUS. So those are your choices, like it or lump it.

You calculate the issues differently than I do. My adult life began right around 9/11. The Patriot Act ended my world. I did not know that when it was passed. I didn't like it. I thought it was a bad idea. I hoped that as the 9/11 stuff died down, eventually it would be quietly repealed or sliced up piecemeal. Instead, the Patriot Act turned out to be the Chief Cornerstone of the New World Order. The tyranny has only ever ratcheted upward since 2001. They told us that is what it was, and then they proceeded to prove over the next 20+ years that that's exactly what it was. Afghanistan (I wasn't even a libertarian and I thought Afghanistan was just a bad strategic idea), Gitmo, Iraq, NDAAs, MCA, FVEY global surveillance, CCP-style censorship, truly out-of-control debt not as a talking-point, but literally just on the verge of not being able to borrow even one more dollar, Housing Collapse, COVID. Those memes of the poor Millennials going through 10 existential crises before age 30 are not an exaggeration. That giant ball-of-yarn of issues -- the New World Order globalists hijacking the US federal government from within -- is the only issue I actually care about. So, if I were to litmus-test the way you do, the only solution would be to literally nuke Washington, DC. Sure, we would lose some innocents in the process. But from a pure statecraft standpoint, where you have to break a few eggs to make the omelette, the very calculus that DC itself currently rages around the globe with, 24x7, smashing anyone and anything that gets in their way... hey, fair's fair. So, you and I have a very, very different outlook on all of this. You see it as 4-year political calculus, I do not. I see it as coming down to the point where a 50-state coalition literally nuking Washington, DC would be an act of self-defense, a just war action. I don't think there's any realistic way that could happen, and there is surely no way to actually coordinate such an action but, morally speaking, I see no problem with it at all.

So, let's go back to bump-stocks. A silly toy whose reason for existing is inherently perverse, a toy that American gun-owners only purchase in order to go around the unconstitutional NFA, being banned. Please don't waste my time with such absurdity, every keystroke spent on that topic is a literal waste of time. I'd rather talk about how Washington, DC is recklessly approaching a nuclear tipping-point with Moscow and is about to bring about its own, well-deserved annihilation. That's a much more interesting and salient topic. Or how about Trump's radio-silence on the Federal Reserve? There's a completely valid criticism of Trump that far outweighs all the pedantry you maintain in your anti-Trump list, added together. By a country mile. Again, I don't support Trump because I'm pro-Trump, I support him because I hope that the theory that he's actually trying to drain the Swamp, for real, is true. Call me a pollyanna all you wish for holding out that much hope but, again, the alternative is far starker than I think you're willing to face up to. You anti-Trumpers keep thinking this will just be another 4-year circus and the circus goes on forever. No, it does not go on, it comes to a screeching halt, the only question is when. Very soon, the entire flawed calculus on which DC was originally built, its crooked foundations, will be exposed, and the entire edifice will crash forthwith. Truly, a House of Cards. Maybe Trump won't have anything to do with that. Maybe he'll even betray every last thing he has said and openly join in with the NWO. I acknowledge it's possible, because I'm not a Trumper. Either way, this situation will continue to escalate until it is no longer in the hands of any person on earth. At that point, it will become a strictly heavenly matter. Everyone thinks they know what that means. No one does...

[PAF]

Yes, love one another, this is not an issue of love/hate, it's an issue of agree/disagree.

The problem that you, PAF, acptulsa and some others have, is that when the name "Trump" is mentioned

Trump is a businessman who during his entire career interviewed, hired and fired personnel. He sits in executive board meetings, reads and fully understands contracts. His entire empire requires that he is fully well aware along with his attorneys.

You people make up excuses with no data to back it up with, and either say "he didn't know", "he was ill-advised", "he made a mistake", "it didn't matter", etc.

What is irrational is that after 4 years of his Record and record spending, his followers still follow and for all the wrong reasons. There is nothing small government about him, nor does he advocate/promote the most local of solutions, aside from perhaps abortion.

I don't hold democrats accountable the way that I do republicans, because it is the republicans who tout "freedom, liberty and fiscal responsibility". Trump could be Joe Shmo for all I care, it is republicans who follow Pied Pipers while abandoning every principle that they and the platform once had. And every election when an "R" wins, even more sacrifices and abandonments are made.

Government/politicians is not the answer, but rather people who are truthful/honest, principled and stand for what is right.

[ClaytonB]

You people

See, this is where you give yourself away. What "you people"? Who's my "crowd"? With whom am I coordinating? On whose behalf am I operating? The answer, in every case, is no one. I write here as an American citizen, in the hope that these messages might by some means be useful as America breathes her last few gasps and real darkness descends. This country has never once seen real darkness, not even in the Civil War, not even in WW2. Hell is going to be spewed out on the earth, that is prophecy, and every sign indicates that it's arriving very soon. I cannot imagine that the Great Tribulation will not begin in my lifetime. As far as I can tell, it already has and people just aren't seeing it yet. We're looking the Beast right in the eyes every single day and don't even yet realize who's really looking back at us.

make up excuses

Nope. I just compare ratios of what actually matters and what doesn't matter. Think of it like triage on the battlefield. If you get cut on the arm with a knife, that's a serious wound and it should be addressed immediately. But if you've been shot in the chest and you have a cavity that is suffocating you to death, that has to be addressed even more urgently than your knife-wound. Addressing the chest-wound does not mean I don't see or believe in the knife-wound or even deny that it would be important in a world where the only injury was the knife-wound. I listed over a dozen factors that comprise the real issue facing America (the New World Order coup of the US government) and "you people" want to talk about everything else in the world. Strange that. You'd think that would at least be a topic worth discussing but, according to "you people", what we really need to do is geek out on the legalities of executive orders and how some EO that Trump signed could hypothetically create a risk that some future President could blah-blah-blah. I'm not interested in any of that penny-ante crap. How many hours left until the nukes launch? How many more dollars can the Federal government borrow before it arithmetically cannot borrow any more due to inability to service the interest? Let's address the chest-wounds first and worry about the knife-scratches on the extremities if we even survive long enough to where it would matter...

[PAF]

You people

See, this is where you give yourself away. What "you people"? Who's my "crowd"?

Trump is an alpha and that doesn't seem to bother you. I am an even bigger alpha than Trump and I do not mince words. Where Trump and I differ is that I actually do stand on principle, well, because I have them, and my heart goes out to the generations who follow and will have to suffer the ramifications of what you people imposed on them. Teaching by example is necessary so that they may be raised with the knowledge of sound principles... what they do with that information is up to them.

make up excuses

Nope. I just compare ratios of what actually matters and what doesn't matter. Think of it like triage on the battlefield. If you get cut on the arm with a knife, that's a serious wound and it should be addressed immediately. But if you've been shot in the chest and you have a cavity that is suffocating you to death, that has to be addressed even more urgently than your knife-wound. Addressing the chest-wound does not mean I don't see or believe in the knife-wound or even deny that it would be important in a world where the only injury was the knife-wound. I listed over a dozen factors that comprise the real issue facing America (the New World Order coup of the US government) and "you people" want to talk about everything else in the world. Strange that. You'd think that would at least be a topic worth discussing but, according to "you people", what we really need to do is geek out on the legalities of executive orders and how some EO that Trump signed could hypothetically create a risk that some future President could blah-blah-blah. I'm not interested in any of that penny-ante crap. How many hours left until the nukes launch? How many more dollars can the Federal government borrow before it arithmetically cannot borrow any more due to inability to service the interest? Let's address the chest-wounds first and worry about the knife-scratches on the extremities if we even survive long enough to where it would matter...

Everything that you wrote as your example in "how to choose a politician" presupposes that leaders and party politics is the answer. But it's not, so I scratched it out ;-)

[ClaytonB]

I am an even bigger alpha than Trump...

Oh please, what are you, 13?

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[PAF]

Oh please, what are you, 13?

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You just didn't like my answer lol ;-)

[acptulsa]

It goes beyond that. Trump gave power to evil people!

Now do a paragraph on John Bolton.

Sorry, but your pont is is 100% irrelevant in that Whitney was clearly pointing out that no human is coming to save you. And her solution fits 100% in line with any true Christian which is to quit looking to the government or to any politician and instead look for local solutions with like minded people. (i.e. a church). The fact that you somehow think Trump was "blocking" a vaccine mandate with zero evidence to that effect shows that Whitney is being more "spiritual" in this particular instance.

I don't recall seeing the verse which said that the Antichrist will be as politically powerless as Jesus was. I always imagined that particular character to be head man in charge in the Time of Tribulation.

God can, and does, use every person in power to accomplish His aims whether that person wants to follow God or not. That includes Trump, Obama, Clinton, Bush, whoever.

The antichrist. The devil himself.

Nothing is more irritating than Christians who can only see "God's hand" when the person they align with is in power. And yes, I've rebuked Christian on the left who can't imagine God working through Trump as well. That said, Trump said himself that he doesn't recall ever "apologizing" to God. I'm not sure how anybody can call him a Christian based on that alone.

I'm trying to figure out how to tell a woman with a god complex that she's the last victim of the Steinem-Freidan First Wave Feminism brainwashing. Way back in '69 they were being trained to consider apologizing a sign of weakness that would set women back a thousand years if they ever did it. I remember spooky-eyed believers right through the seventies.

This person is a control freak and lives in mortal fear of making a mistake. And is aging. She's killing herself with stress. I can see her on the Judgement Day looking Jesus in the face and bellowing, "Lord, I repent!" You know what she'll hear. "Whatever you have done unto the least of these My children, so you have done unto Me," right? Seems we believe eternity depends upon our ability to apologize when the Day comes. Could a believer possibly go through life refusing to practice?

She and Trump are very different, but the same kind of Christian. The kind you worry about making the cut.

You must have either never watched wrestling or never realized that wrestling is staged.

I think he just can't or won't believe humans can be so evil as to be that conniving. Wrestling doesn't mean anything. That's a given. But if politics doesn't mean anything, then we failed to deliver our children into a Republic. That'll send you up De Nile without a paddle! Did me.

It's a trap. It takes a lot of evidence to get you to question that belief. By then you're in for more than a penny. You're in for a pound. Then you hate to admit you've been had, and double down on a bad bet.

Yes. I understand that. I'm not sure you do however. I think you think you do. Donald Trump is "flesh and bones." Kamala Harris is "flesh and bones." Joe Biden is "flesh and bones." The "principalties and powers and spiritual wickedness in high places" are the not-so-secret societies that have their influence everywhere. That is what Whitney Webb is exposing. You're going through mental gymnastics trying to justify the idea that those principalities and powers didn't do through the Trump administration what the evidence clearly shows they did do.

It becomes a matter of the most dangerous ten words in the language: "Don't confuse me with facts, I've made up my mind." Dangerous.

To see what is in front of one’s nose requires a constant struggle.

Yes, love one another, this is not an issue of love/hate, it's an issue of agree/disagree.

No, Clayton, it is a matter of love. All our souls are in the balance. We have a right to worry about you.

I cannot imagine that the Great Tribulation will not begin in my lifetime. As far as I can tell, it already has and people just aren't seeing it yet. We're looking the Beast right in the eyes every single day and don't even yet realize who's really looking back at us.

And if you want to save souls, you should remember what I once told @Theocrat. You get more flies with honey than vinegar. Or tired pulpit slogans either, because I think people can see that the silly sectarian differences won't matter.

Now lighten up already.