Noncitizen Voting Isn’t An Issue In Federal Elections, Regardless Of Conspiracy Theories

[PAF]

Noncitizen voting isn’t an issue in federal elections, regardless of conspiracy theories. Here’s why:

By Nicholas Riccardi
April 12, 2024


Former President Donald Trump turned to one of his favorite themes on Friday — the specter of immigrants improperly voting in federal elections. House Speaker Mike Johnson came to the former president’s Florida compound to announce that he would introduce a bill to stop those who are not citizens from voting in elections.

Trump has made baseless claims about this subject before, like in 2016, when he blamed his loss of the popular vote on voting by immigrants, and then appointed a commission to investigate the issue. It disbanded without identifying a single case of a noncitizen casting a vote.

He and other Republicans have recently revved up their conspiratorial claims about the issue with the influx of migrants across the southern border under Biden, contending Democrats are letting them in to add them to the voter rolls.

The theory involves two complicated subjects, immigration and voting, but it’s actually very simple. There isn’t any indication that noncitizens vote in significant numbers in federal elections or that they will in the future. It’s already a crime for them to do so. And we know it’s not a danger because various states have examined their rolls and found very few noncitizen voters.

To be clear, there have been cases of noncitizens casting ballots, but they are extremely rare. Those who have looked into these cases say they often involve legal immigrants who mistakenly believe they have the right to vote.

Johnson tried to address this, saying that “we cannot wait for widespread fraud to occur.” But one prior crackdown on purported noncitizen voting also risked striking thousands of actual citizens from the voting rolls.

Here’s why noncitizen voting isn’t a real danger to the integrity of federal elections and the risks of changing federal law.


WHAT’S THE LAW?

Federal law requires all voter registration forms to advise those signing up that they have to swear under penalty of perjury that they are a U.S. citizen. That has generally worked. Immigrants who aren’t citizens especially don’t want to violate the law because it could jeopardize their ability to remain in the country or become citizens.

Some Republicans have long complained that federal laws don’t require additional checks on voter eligibility. Johnson vowed to introduce legislation requiring proof of citizenship before allowing someone to register to vote, but he provided no further details. It’s likely that such legislation wouldn’t make it out of the Democratic-controlled Senate, and its main impact would be to use it as a talking point against Democrats during the campaign.

One reason Democrats are wary is that when Texas tried to root out noncitizen voters in 2019, the effort ended up wrongly flagging tens of thousands of U.S. citizens as being ineligible to vote. A federal judge blocked Texas from carrying out the law and the then-secretary of state resigned.

That shows the risks of adding new identification checks to catch something that very rarely happens.


WHAT’S THE EVIDENCE THAT THIS ISN’T A PROBLEM?

All available evidence shows that noncitizen voting in federal elections is incredibly rare. It’s illegal for people who aren’t U.S. citizens to vote in federal elections, but it is legal for them to vote in local elections if the jurisdiction allows it. A small number of local jurisdictions, such as San Francisco and the District of Columbia, let immigrants who haven’t become U.S. citizens vote on races for school board and city council.

Let’s look at some conservative-leaning states to see if noncitizen voting is an issue. First, we’re talking about “noncitizen” voting, not voting by immigrants. That’s because some immigrants have become naturalized U.S. citizens and under the Constitution have the same ability to cast a ballot as those born here.

In 2016, North Carolina audited its elections to make sure no one voted improperly. It found that 41 legal immigrants who had not yet become citizens cast ballots. That’s out of 4.8 million votes cast. Those illegal votes didn’t make a difference in a single election in the state, even the smallest local race, according to the state’s election board. Trump’s Department of Justice later filed criminal charges against 19 immigrants for illegally voting in North Carolina.


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https://apnews.com/article/trump-imm...9c2a22b2564994

[Anti Federalist]

To be clear, there have been cases of noncitizens casting ballots, but they are extremely rare.

[PAF]

Because with every Republican Administration we lose more rights and enter deeper into a Police State. See TSA, "Patriot" Act, eVerify, et al.

The lobbyists/contractors will rake it in, as they implement more "solutions" to what doesn't exist.

Government/politicians are not there to save you.

[Anti Federalist]

https://mynbc15.com/news/local/al-secretary-of-state-reports-thousands-of-registered-voters-are-not-us-citizens

[acptulsa]

They really don't need any, AF. They have Dominion, remember? The only thing a boosted population gives them (if anything at all) is cover. Immigrants are just being promoted so you'll forget you intended to demand paper ballots.

You really think these "parolees" are the type of people who vote?

[Anti Federalist]

It’s illegal for people who aren’t U.S. citizens to vote in federal elections, but it is legal for them to vote in local elections if the jurisdiction allows it.

So, they are here illegally, but they won't vote, cuz that's illegal.

[PAF]

@Anti Federalist

"Discovered"??? LOL They are enacting more laws to appease police-state-advocate people like you.

Because with every Republican Administration we lose more rights and enter deeper into a Police State. See TSA, "Patriot" Act, eVerify, et al.

The lobbyists/contractors will rake it in, as they implement more "solutions" to what doesn't exist.

Government/politicians are not there to save you.

[Anti Federalist]

@PAF

Oh...oh jesus...my sides hurt.

Love ya like a brother, but that has got to be one the stupidest articles of bull$#@! and gaslighting I have ever read on the internets.

Hang your head in posting shame and petition the mods to delete this pile of refried sick.

[Anti Federalist]

They really don't need any, AF. They have Dominion, remember? The only thing a boosted population gives them (if anything at all) is cover. Immigrants are just being promoted so you'll forget you intended to demand paper ballots.

You really think these "parolees" are the type of people who vote?

Oh, let me recover a minute...

OK, yeah, you know what, maybe you're right.

Voting for the invaders maybe is a secondary concern, although you'll have a hard time selling that bilgewater in Minnesota or Hamtramck Michigan.

More important to them is to control the state's enforcement appartuses.

Like they do in the UK.

Just wait to see what the new Harris administration will do.

[acptulsa]

They have mail-in ballots and Dominion, and he thinks they're even trying to get the unreliable criminals they imported to go to the polls and attempt to get the "correct answer" even though they can't read English.

Boy do the operators if this psyop know how to get people's panties in a wad over the most harmless things.

More misdirection than a Penn & Teller show.

[Anti Federalist]

@Anti Federalist

"Discovered"??? LOL They are enacting more laws to appease police-state-advocate people like you.

Just wait and see what the new Harris administration has waiting for you.

I am quite seriously eyeballing properties in Argentina.

But there's no difference between the two...

[PAF]

@PAF

Oh...oh jesus...my sides hurt.

Love ya like a brother, but that has got to be one the stupidest articles of bull$#@! and gaslighting I have ever read on the internets.

Hang your head in posting shame and petition the mods to delete this pile of refried sick.

Here's why people are stoopid:

When I worked the Ron Paul campaign back in 2012, every single one of my Ron Paul Delegates in multiple precincts and Congressional Districts WON hands down. It was by so much that it couldn't be disputed.

And then everybody from everywhere ran around with their heads cut off accusing Democrats of STEALING the Primary Election because Flip-Flop-Mitt's delegates didn't win a single freaking one

And then there are people like you who demand more laws, more ID, more government control, more police-state, and then wonder why freedom isn't popular and folks like Ron Paul can't win.

CARBON YOU are the problem.

[Anti Federalist]

They have mail-in ballots and Dominion, and he thinks they're even trying to get the unreliable criminals they imported to go to the polls and attempt to get the "correct answer" even though they can't read English.

Boy do the operators if this psyop know how to get people's panties in a wad over the most harmless things.

More misdirection than a Penn & Teller show.

Oh I know...mobs of browns stabbing random white girls to death is harmless.

Over an elaborate conspiracy to install the opposition candidate who is so thoroughly hated, they tried to kill him.

[PAF]

Come on, @Anti Federalist , where's your response?

Here's why people are stoopid:

When I worked the Ron Paul campaign back in 2012, every single one of my Ron Paul Delegates in multiple precincts and Congressional Districts WON hands down. It was by so much that it couldn't be disputed.

And then everybody from everywhere ran around with their heads cut off accusing Democrats of STEALING the Primary Election because Flip-Flop-Mitt's delegates didn't win a single freaking one

And then there are people like you who demand more laws, more ID, more government control, more police-state, and then wonder why freedom isn't popular and folks like Ron Paul can't win.

CARBON YOU are the problem.

[Brian4Liberty]

So, they are here illegally, but they won't vote, cuz that's illegal.
...

It is against the law, so it doesn't happen. Official government statistics prove this, as there are almost no convictions for this crime. Trust The Math, trust The Science, comrade. Big Brother is your friend, and does not lie.

[PAF]

It is against the law, so it doesn't happen. Official government statistics prove this, as there are almost no convictions for this crime. Trust The Math, trust The Science, comrade. Big Brother is your friend, and does not lie.

And government is going to provide the "solution"? [see Post #12]

If you're going to vote, and support that system, then my suggestion is to take responsibility and work locally at the precincts and leave upper government [where the actual corruption occurs] out of it altogether.

[acptulsa]

Oh I know...mobs of browns stabbing random white girls to death is harmless.

When in doubt, change the subject.

And government is going to provide the "solution"? [see Post #12]

If you're going to vote, and support that system, then my suggestion is to take responsibility and work locally at the precincts and leave upper government [where the actual corruption occurs] out of it altogether.

Why would they even create the problem if they didn't have a "solution" ready?

[PAF]

When in doubt, change the subject.


Why would they even create the problem if they didn't have a "solution" ready?

I'll wait for wonderful wisdom of AF and @Swordsmyth to 'splain that for us

[Anti Federalist]

And then there are people like you who demand more laws, more ID, more government control, more police-state, and then wonder why freedom isn't popular and folks like Ron Paul can't win.

CARBON YOU are the problem.

Oh, LOL...you really going there again?

I've explained my plan 100 times or more.

It would not require a single dollar in new taxes, nor one single new law.

[PAF]

@Anti Federalist , first tackle the true and real problems before blaming a few immigrants:

[Anti Federalist]

I'll wait for wonderful wisdom of AF and @Swordsmyth to 'splain that for us

I have explained, over and over.

You would never agree to it, because you do not believe in the concept of a "nation", you want this one destroyed and you hate the people that live in it now.

So 'natch, you'd have no incentive to join me in trying to enact my ideas, and I understand that.

But I got more respect for you than to give that dog turd of an OP you posted any credence whatsoever.

[Anti Federalist]

When in doubt, change the subject.

How am I changing the subject?

The subject is immigration, or more correctly, invasion and how the invaders gain power.

You dismissed these power grabs as "harmless.

I say it is not harmless, not by a long stretch and gave you a current example of why I think that.

[Anti Federalist]

@Anti Federalist , first tackle the true and real problems before blaming a few immigrants:

20 million invaders are not a "few immigrants".

[PAF]

I have explained, over and over.

You would never agree to it, because you do not believe in the concept of a "nation", you want this one destroyed and you hate the people that live in it now.

So 'natch, you'd have no incentive to join me in trying to enact my ideas, and I understand that.

But I got more respect for you than to give that dog turd of an OP you posted any credence whatsoever.

Well what can I say. Maybe I'm too greedy with my money and see the only actual solution of defunding the programs first before taking any other action that will restrict my freedoms, such as the 4th Amendment and the right to travel freely.

It's all good, brother, I luv ya too... But I've been around the block too many times to see how things really work ;-)

Did you watch Ginger's video above? That was nothing compared to what I experienced down in Tampa! By "republicans"!!!

[PAF]

20 million invaders are not a "few immigrants".

They don't sit in Senate Round Table meetings or lobby the government for MIC/BigPharm contracts to make a sh|t dent of a difference. But the lobbyists make sure that they can "create problems" out of thin air in order to cash in on their Public/Private Partnerships.

[jmdrake]

There is a caveat to that.

https://www.alreporter.com/2024/08/1...a-voter-rolls/

Secretary of State Wes Allen announced Tuesday that he is instructing all county boards of registrars to purge 3,251 potential noncitizens from Alabama voter rolls.

Allen has repeatedly questioned the possibility of noncitizens voting in Alabama and says repeated requests for assistance from the federal government have gone unanswered.

“I have been clear that I will not tolerate the participation of noncitizens in our elections,” Allen said. “I have even gone so far as to testify before a United States Senate Committee regarding the importance of this issue. We have examined the current voter file in an attempt to identify anyone who appears on that list that has been issued a noncitizen identification number.”

Not all of the voters are necessarily noncitizens today; Allen noted that some of the individuals may have become naturalized citizens since they were originally issued the noncitizen identification number. The process initiated by the Secretary of State’s Office will allow those naturalized citizens to update their information on a State of Alabama Voter Registration Form and, once verified, vote in the state’s elections.

So we're talking 3,200 out of 3.8 million registered voters and we don't know how many of the 3,200 were already naturalized citizens.

[jmdrake]

It is against the law, so it doesn't happen. Official government statistics prove this, as there are almost no convictions for this crime. Trust The Math, trust The Science, comrade. Big Brother is your friend, and does not lie.

Well Trump had 4 years to do the prosecutions of all of these non-citizen voters. Just saying.

Edit: Meanwhile why do people seem to care ore about this story than the fact that Hunter Biden is now proven to have illegally lobbied the U.S. State Department on behalf of Burisma? I mean I get it. Controversy dirves threads. But still...

[acptulsa]

How am I changing the subject?

Oh, you're not. All of our elections have always been accomplished by murdering the loser. We have always been a banana republic. So of course elections and murders are synonymous.

Now if the man calls for a do-over and promises that this time he will actually try, then the least we can do is say, "Baaaa!" Er, I mean, "Yes!"

[spudea]

How can you say that when it is never checked or allowed to be investigated in Democrat areas. Plus, the #1 crime in USA is identity theft. I could easily get someone else's info and vote twice, and it would look legit. These shenanigans happen in every election. The only question is how extensive, and if you never investigate, you cannot claim it doesn't exist.

[acptulsa]

These shenanigans happen in every election. The only question is how extensive, and if you never investigate, you cannot claim it doesn't exist.

So why do Republicans salivate like Pavlov's dogs over mythical voting aliens when we know for a fact that Democrats keep voting after they're dead? Maybe we should tackle that like it's the longstanding problem and therefore almost certainly more extensive, dontcha think?

I'm betting fraudulent mail-in ballots are a much bigger problem, too. And Dominion machines. Why do voting aliens need scrutiny more than these older and likely more widespread problems?