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    Republicans Declare War on the American Economy


    Mises Wire
    Vincent Cook
    08/10/2024




    The 2024 Republican National Convention will be remembered for the raw emotions evoked by an attempted assassination the preceding weekend of its presidential nominee Donald Trump and for the now mostly Trumpified Republicans posing as the populist champions of American workers against the elitist Democrats.

    This convention, however, should be remembered for another reason too. It marks the entrenchment of an organized “national conservative” movement within the party that espouses an anti-free-market ideology, overtly scorning individual liberty in favor of a powerful nation-state. This shift in Republican thinking is most clearly evident in Trump’s choice of J.D. Vance as the party’s nominee for vice president (who recently explained his “NatCon” principles in a Foundation for American Innovation podcast) but is also hinted at in Trump’s advocacy of retaliatory tariffs in his acceptance speech:

    “And right now as we speak large factories, just started, are being built across the border in Mexico. So with all the other things happening on our border and they’re being built by China to make cars and to sell them into our country, no tax, no anything. The United Auto Workers ought to be ashamed for allowing this to happen and the leader of the United Auto Workers should be fired immediately and every single auto worker, union and non-union should be voting for Donald Trump because we’re gonna bring back car manufacturing and we’re gonna bring it back fast. The ability, some of the largest auto plants anywhere in the world, think of it, in the world.

    “We’re going to bring it back, we’re going to make them, we don’t, we don’t mind that happening. But those plants are going to be built in the United States and our people are going to man those plants and if they don’t agree with us, we’ll put a tariff of approximately 100 to 200% on each car, and they will be unsellable in the United States.”


    For his part, Vance closely echoes the talking points of such NatCon champions as American Compass and the Claremont Institute. While conceding that free markets are better than government planners at allocating resources and empowering people to meet each other’s needs (Vance even cites the Austrian economist F.A. Hayek on that point), NatCons like Vance protest that America already has a de facto industrial policy that punishes capital-intensive industries while leaving them vulnerable to the malign policies of the Chinese Communists. According to the NatCons, Americans have a moral obligation to reorient their existing interventionism toward favoring American victims of Communist Chinese policies, not continue to favor the Wall Street and Big Tech elites that profit from the existing globalist order.

    There are two fundamental errors in the NatCon portrait of America’s deindustrialization and the NatCon recommendation of “industrial policy” as a remedy, one theoretical, the other historical. From a theoretical perspective, the erection of new trade barriers and fresh governmental malinvestments of labor and other productive inputs can only diminish, not increase, the productivity of workers and thus can only lead to a deterioration of their living standards.

    Only the removal of existing policies that hamper private investments in capital-intensive industries in America — that is, a shift toward laissez-faire policies — can demonstrably improve labor productivity and thus the real labor incomes of Americans. If the problem with the American economy is its existing globalist version of corporatism, then the solution is to get rid of such interventionism altogether, not hobble the productive sector further by layering a nationalist form of corporatist planning on top of existing interventions. Government investments can’t turn dying industries into a net gain for American workers, not even in counteracting deviations from laissez-faire by other governments.

    Vance’s failure to understand the failures of industrial policy seems to be rooted in a misunderstanding of the Austrian School critique of socialist central planning. A little over a century ago, Ludwig von Mises demonstrated that forward-looking cost/benefit calculations for comparing alternative investment plans are impossible without the use of prices for capital goods and factor inputs that are generated by competitive profit-and-loss-driven markets.

    Central planners aren’t merely ignorant of things known to other actors and thus more liable to make costly mistakes in their calculations (a point often stressed by Hayek); they literally can’t come up with prices that are meaningful in the real world to plan with at all. When the NatCons grandly declare that mere individuals owe it to their nation to protect fellow citizens against losing their jobs due to interventions by foreign governments, they neglect to warn us that they have absolutely no idea what the costs of their job protection schemes will be, much like the unknowable costs of the equally muddle-headed environmental, social and governance policies that globalists of the World Economic Forum have been foisting onto the corporate world.

    From a historical perspective, the deindustrialization of America — which started in the 1970s — can’t honestly be blamed on China, which didn’t even become a significant player in international trade until some 30 years later when China joined the World Trade Organization in 2001 and didn’t catch up with America as a recipient of foreign direct investment until 2020. The Trumpian narrative that Wall Street financed a net offshoring of American industrial jobs to China thanks to rotten trade deals is fake news.

    Communist Chinese policies over the first two decades of the 21st century in fact offered what could have been an enormous boon to American industries: China’s enormous merchandise trade surpluses with America contributed a great deal to the pool of savings available in America, since the Communist planners were loath to hurt Chinese exporters by repatriating their dollar earnings and making their export prices uncompetitive. China’s blundering industrial policy could have helped reverse the chronic long-term stagnation of American industries had more of the increased savings in America found their way into productive American investments.

    Unfortunately, this opportunity to leverage greater savings to the advantage of American industries was squandered, and the well-being of American workers continued to deteriorate. Both Democratic and Republican politicians doubled down on their spendthrift ways to win votes, just as they have been doing since the dollar was cut off from its gold backing in 1971. The share of America’s gross domestic product devoted to net private domestic investment (i.e., the share that actually grows the American economy) has been languishing ever since then, largely displaced by a doubling of the GDP share devoted to Social Security, Medicare, and other governmental transfers.


    Figure 1: Personal current transfer receipts as compared to net domestic investment, 1965-2024

    Source: FRED.


    China, by contrast, got rid of its Maoist “iron rice bowl,” with even the poorest Chinese taking to heart Deng Xiaoping’s admonition that “to get rich is glorious” and increasing their personal savings rates to much-higher levels than your typical American; it’s not hard to spot the enormous difference in the shares of GDP devoted to gross capital formation over this period.

    China has reaped the rewards of its people’s thrift with a rapidly growing economy in spite of the shortcomings of its government’s interventionism. America, on the other hand, has reaped the whirlwind of both its major parties embracing the principle that all Americans are entitled to economic security at the federal government’s expense and of financing this expense by putting the dollar on a fiat basis so it can resort to unrestrained debt monetization. In short, America has resorted to a policy of capital consumption.

    Trump made it clear in his acceptance speech that he has absolutely no intention of dealing with the Social Security/Medicare crisis nor have he or his NatCon allies expressed much interest in monetary or banking reforms that would restore serious fiscal discipline by shutting down the bipartisan debt monetization racket. Instead, he promised a stupendous miracle of simultaneously reducing interest rates, reducing government debt, reducing tax rates and reducing the rate of dollar depreciation while allowing Social Security and Medicare to grow unchecked.

    He also promised not to provoke World War III, as if rival trade blocs resulting from a breakup of the international division of labor won’t be incentivized to fight over access to natural resources as was the case leading up to the first two world wars. Instead of addressing the actual causes of America’s decline, Trump and his party are blaming foreigners for America’s shortcomings and using that blame as a pretext for waging war on the American economy, creating yet a new set of vested interests to live at the expense of the declining productive sector.


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    Utter garbage.

    Free Trade destroyed the American economy.

    And China's economy is in even worse shape than ours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Utter garbage.

    Free Trade destroyed the American economy.
    The American economy hasn't seen free trade for ninety years.

    And ninety years ago, the end of free trade took us from the Roaring Twenties to the Great Depression.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    The American economy hasn't seen free trade for ninety years.

    And ninety years ago, the end of free trade took us from the Roaring Twenties to the Great Depression.
    LOL

    That's a total lie, the Fed caused the depression, the nation grew and thrived on tariffs, which we still had prior to the ones you join the free trade liars in blaming for the depression.

    The closer we got to free trade the worse the economy got.
    It started without China, but China made everything much worse.
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    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    LOL

    That's a total lie, the Fed caused the depression, the nation grew and thrived on tariffs, which we still had prior to the ones you join the free trade liars in blaming for the depression.
    No lies in there as big as the whopper that we've had free trade recently enough to affect the current state of the economy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    No lies in there as big as the whopper that we've had free trade recently enough to affect the current state of the economy.
    Free Trade doesn't exist, but we have been far closer to it than ever and it has destroyed our economy.
    And if we ever did have (nonexistent) "real" free trade it would be even worse.

    Free Traders sound just like Communists when they scream "That wasn't real communism Free Trade".
    Free Trade is a globalist plot to destroy independence, drag all economies down to the lowest common denominator to enslave the average man, and entangle the entire world under a global government.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Free Trade destroyed the American economy.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Free Trade doesn't exist
    Wrecked by a ghost. Wow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Wrecked by a ghost. Wow.
    LOL

    Don't be stupid.
    Free Trade exists in the same way Communism exists.
    Your "Real" Free Trade is what doesn't exist and that's obviously what I was discussing, especially since I spelled that out in the rest of the post that you deceptively edited out.

    What passes for Free Trade is what ruined the economy, and the closer it gets to the ideal that doesn't exist the worse it is.

    Your childish tricks won't work.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    LOL

    Don't be stupid.
    Free Trade exists in the same way Communism exists.
    Your "Real" Free Trade is what doesn't exist and that's obviously what I was discussing, especially since I spelled that out in the rest of the post that you deceptively edited out.

    What passes for Free Trade is what ruined the economy, and the closer it gets to the ideal that doesn't exist the worse it is.

    Your childish tricks won't work.
    Conservatism doesn't exist and what passes for conservatism is ruining the whole country. But none of it gets close enough to conservatism for us to see if conservatism might work, given the chance.

    You're once again arguing the progressive position. The only thing more amazing than the sheer number of times you do that is your insistence on accusing everyone else of doing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Conservatism doesn't exist and what passes for conservatism is ruining the whole country. But none of it gets close enough to conservatism for us to see if conservatism might work, given the chance.

    You're once again arguing the progressive position. The only thing more amazing than the sheer number of times you do that is your insistence on accusing everyone else of doing it.
    LOL

    Conservatism has existed and the country thrived under it, see Coolidge and many other older Presidents.
    And Protectionist Tariffs are conservative, they were the status quo at the beginning of the Republic and for millennia beforehand, Free Trade is progressive globalist garbage invented by the English banksters and rootless international traders to bankrupt the patriotic native landholding class, trick other less industrialized nations into not industrializing, and merge the nations of the world into a single global empire.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Utter garbage.

    Free Trade destroyed the American economy.
    Agreed.

    And China's economy is in even worse shape than ours.
    I don't see any way that could be true. We forfeited to them our means of production. And means of production is what creates wealth. Which means that the wealth they are creating over there is real. And they've been, and continue to, invest heavily into their infrastructure.

    Have they overinvested and misallocated? Probably. Could a free market allocate it better? Certainly. But with so much wealth creation going on in their country right now it doesn't really matter how well it's managed.

    I just assume all numbers regarding GDP, employment etc, are all lies from all sides of the ocean. But at the end of the day, it's just the means of production, and infrastructure, is what determines the strength of an economy. And China has both of those in spades right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    Agreed.



    I don't see any way that could be true. We forfeited to them our means of production. And means of production is what creates wealth. Which means that the wealth they are creating over there is real. And they've been, and continue to, invest heavily into their infrastructure.

    Have they overinvested and misallocated? Probably. Could a free market allocate it better? Certainly. But with so much wealth creation going on in their country right now it doesn't really matter how well it's managed.

    I just assume all numbers regarding GDP, employment etc, are all lies from all sides of the ocean. But at the end of the day, it's just the means of production, and infrastructure, is what determines the strength of an economy. And China has both of those in spades right now.
    Their infrastructure and their production is all garbage, it's falling apart and nobody wants it anymore.
    The means of production are packing up and leaving to other countries to escape before the inevitable apocalypse that will destroy anything of value that hasn't crumbled into dust or left before it happens.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Their infrastructure and their production is all garbage, it's falling apart and nobody wants it anymore.
    The means of production are packing up and leaving to other countries to escape before the inevitable apocalypse that will destroy anything of value that hasn't crumbled into dust or left before it happens.
    They seem to be doing fine.

    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
    - Kim Kardashian

    Donald Trump / Crenshaw 2024!!!!

    My pronouns are he/him/his

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    They seem to be doing fine.

    A white monkey dancing to the CCP's tune for coins.
    The Soviets claimed to be doing just fine too, right up until they collapsed.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    A white monkey dancing to the CCP's tune for coins.
    The Soviets claimed to be doing just fine too, right up until they collapsed.
    I doubt the Soviets had robots that would bring wine up to your room, when they collapsed
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
    - Kim Kardashian

    Donald Trump / Crenshaw 2024!!!!

    My pronouns are he/him/his

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    I doubt the Soviets had robots that would bring wine up to your room, when they collapsed
    They had special areas they gussied up for tourists with the tech they had, it's the same thing.

    China's "Tofu Dreg" construction is a ticking time bomb that goes off ever more frequently these days.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    They had special areas they gussied up for tourists with the tech they had, it's the same thing.
    I'm sure the Soviet Union could fake a nice living room, but can you really fake 12+ mega metropolises with a network of bullet trains between them?

    China's "Tofu Dreg" construction is a ticking time bomb that goes off ever more frequently these days.
    Uh huh.
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
    - Kim Kardashian

    Donald Trump / Crenshaw 2024!!!!

    My pronouns are he/him/his



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