The quote feature here skips anything in quote boxes inside the quoted posts, so you're probably trying to give him cover to edit it out of his post.
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Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
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I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
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Originally Posted by Swordsmyth
So what you're saying is, you can't tell the difference between Ventura and NBC.
PAF made it appear as if the quote was from Ventura in an NBC article by not stating he was quoting an article by different leftists in an NBC article.
Thanks for pointing it out, it's even worse that he was quoting Sen. Tom Udall and Rep. Jim McGovern.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
He put a completely naked link right under it. No one can make anything obvious enough for a person who is voluntarily wearing blinders.
In a post all about Ventura in a Ventura thread.
But as I said, thank you for pointing out he was posting lies from even worse leftists.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
Seems like Ventura had been blackmailed. This is not the same Ventura who claimed to be a "Truth Seeker"
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
That same John McCain who was singing Bomb Bomb Iran? or the fact how he was smirking at a Syrian Christian at a Town hall meeting she asked him what would have happen if his "Thank god for the Saudis" Sunni Rebel buddies would had won what would have happened to the Christians if the the rebels?
Do u know how John McCain replied?
No answer he just smirked and kept saying how Assad must defeated.
Okay. I'm going to not insult your intelligence by asking if you can read. Clearly you can but for whavever reason decided not to read carefully or decided to ignore what I actually said. Here it is again:
I couldn't stand John McCain. He was a corrupt senator connected to the Keating 5 and connected "freedom fighters" in Syria who were conncted to ISIS. ohn McCain was wrong on Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria and he wanted a war with Iran. Had Trump attacked John McCain on any of those issues he should have been applauded. But Trump's "I prefer the ones who don't get captured" comment was disgusting. This idea that some have that everything Trump does or says must be defendanded to the hilt is mind boggling.
So please don't play stupid games with me! I said I can't stand John McCain and pointed out specifically that John McCain wanted war with Iran and that he should be attacked for that and that if Trump had attacked him for that I would have agreed with him but Trump did NOT attack him for that!
So, I going to ask you one more time. Do you have a link to where Jesse Ventura actually endoresed Harris/Watlz? If not I'm calling BS on this entire thread.
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
If Assad and the Syrian govt were defeated
Syria would have been another Libya a paradise hub for human trafficking.
He didn't defend John McCain one bit. In fact, he sang like the star soloist in the choir, so why preach to him?
All he said was, if you're going to criticize someone, do it for the right reasons, not the wrong ones. So, why didn't Trump do that? Could it be that Trump didn't want to talk about savings and loans, ISIS in Syria, or the Saudis because they're all sacred cows to his friends and cohorts? Could it be that once you remove these things, the only way he had left to appear more of a maverick than "The Maverick" was to trash all ex-POWs?
So. Did Ventura really endorse the hyena?
That's got NOTHING to do with whether or not Jesse Ventura actually endoresed Harris/Walz. Please provide evidence of that.
Edit: Hell, I got tired of waiting and found the clip where he actually endorse Kamala Harris as opposed to merely defending what he felt was an unfair attack against waltz.
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/jesse-ve...-someone-else/
APperently he was second in line to be RFK Jr's running mate. Not sure why he's not endorsing RFK Jr. but whatever. I agree with Jesse that the atatcks on Walz for not going to Iraq again (apparently) are weak. But endorsing Kalama Harris just to so that Jesse can see a black female president before he dies is pretty lame.
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9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
The ministry of truth is here to declare which facts are too subversive to be posted.
It's not the Ministry of Truth any more. In order to amplify the division they are creating, they have provided us with not one Truth, but with Two Truths. Right Truth, Left Truth, Red Truth, Blue Truth.
Therefore the MOT has been replaced by the Ministry of Orthodoxy, and MOO is speaking both herds' languages.
I see that you still have a reading/reasoning disability, so I'll try once again to clear it up:
This is true. I was responding to Ventura's National Guard question/statement because he didn't know what he was talking about. I also stated that I don't agree with using National Guard for overseas operations.
This is true. I am not a fan of Jesse. Also true: "Trump's plan to "Nationalize" more things, which doesn't seem to even phase his base." You and a few others on this site are proof of that.I'm not a fan of Jesse but maybe he expects more out of the republican party before endorsing such a pathetic party. Maybe he got wind of Trump's plan to "Nationalize" more things, which doesn't seem to even phase his base.
This is true. You yourself even quoted "Still pushing leftist lies, like always." You also call for "secession" while at the same time advocating "nationalized" programs. Hilarious, not.Maybe at this point and time, it really doesn't matter who or what party gets in, because all they do is throw tiny little bones and never address the for-real-major-issues.
But, 2012 is long gone, and only us "leftist globalist" libertarians care about Ending the Fed and preserving the Bill of Rights.
This is true. I merely pointed out an example of utilizing National Guard and "unidentified" LEO, and that once "nationalized immunity" is given, I can't imagine the chaos that will result. If Trump was sincere about ending the chaos he would not have sent "unidentified" LEO, but rather uniformed ones.President Donald Trump recently took the drastic step of sending thousands of National Guard troops to Washington, D.C. They were not sent to repel a foreign attack on the nation's capital but to mobilize against American citizens peacefully protesting the senseless killing of George Floyd. The Trump administration then deployed scores of unidentified federal law enforcement officers, many of them from the Department of Homeland Security, to Portland, Oregon, resulting in increased mayhem and injuries to nonviolent protesters.
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinio...es-ncna1236034
I won't scratch my head too hard wondering how/why you would think what I said was "pushing leftist lies" lol
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Do you know who actually did bomb, bomb Iran and launched a hundred tomahawks at Assad?
Hint: not John McCain
The plain-bellied sneeches and the star-bellied sneeches have separate truths and separate facts which are not to be shared outside their respective groups.
Like higher education. Can you imagine what happens (assuming I'm wrong and he really isn't running for dictator) when a Democrat eventually inhabits the White House again, and has a federalized college system to play with? God damn!
It's a thin line between a herd and a gang.
Last edited by acptulsa; 08-11-2024 at 08:55 AM.
I didn’t like it either. He was being a smartass. I am sure none of us can relate. Maybe he knew about what McCain had done in VietNam. I don’t know. He often speaks off the cuff. That is one of the reasons people like him. He’s human and not scripted. He would do better if he utilized them more. But, he is who he is. The only candidate who is perfect in what they say are the ones who totally read off of teleprompters.
B
After they were released from the Hanoi Hilton, the top officer there spoke out loudly about what McCain did in there and it wasn’t good. Don’t you guys remember when McCain was running for President that a group of retired military, and I thought some of them were who he was in Hanoi with, was running ads in Dallas to try to let people know about him! After they were released from Hanoi Hilton, a video was made by the people there, including the commanding officer. They reamed him for what he did in there. My Mother had it. I imagine I have it somewhere in a box.
When I have been asked about McCain, I doubt I state it in the best way, because I detest his traitorous soul. But, then again, I never claimed to be perfect.
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I don't think Ron Paul used teleprompters and I don't recall him ever saying anything so cringeworthy. I get your point. I don't think candidates have to be perfect. I don't support Trump for numerous reasons but I have nothing in general against people who do. TBH I don't have anything against people who support Kamala either, I'm just not one of them. On the specific clip posted in the OP I agree with Jesse Ventura that not deploying to Iraq again is not in and of itself a strike against Mr. Waltz. But in the longer clip not in the OP, Jesse Ventura said he supported Kamala because he wanted to see a "black woman candidate" elected president before he died, which is a stupid reason to vote for someone but oh well. And....I think that setiment is why Donald Trump, much to the chagrin of Naomi Wolf, took Kamala Harris to task for claiming to be "Indian" as opposed to claiming to be black or even Indian and black when she ran for Senate. Hell, even Tger Woods called himself "Cablanasian" acknowledging has some African American backgournd as opposed to just saying he was "Asian."
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
"Nonviolent" LOL
There you go supporting the leftist lie again.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
So, you're not denying that Trump sent in Feds uninvited, violating the spirit and possibly the letter of posse comitatus, and though you're talking about secession out of one side of your mouth you think federal stop-n-frisk is a pretty nifty idea. You're just saying that PAF discredited himself by quoting NBC and not putting a Swordsnopes fact check asterisk on the word nonviolent.
Right?
LOL
Violent insurrection triggers this:
The history of the Insurrection Act dates back all the way to 1797, and the legislative record is so long and tortured that it’s woeful to contemplate. Suffice to say that in the 21st century, the Insurrection Act has been pleasantly re-titled “The Enforcement of the Laws to Restore Public Order Act” and codified in four sections of the US Code:
10 USC § 251 Federal Aid for State Governments
10 USC § 252 Use of Militia and Armed Forces to Enforce Federal Authority
10 USC § 253 Interference with State and Federal Law
10 USC § 254 Proclamation to Disperse
Of the four provisions, the most recent and the most powerful is 10 USC § 253, which was written in 2006. This is the one that liberal pundits always forget to mention when they blab about Posse Comitatus and governors. It reads:
The President, by using the militia or the armed forces, or both, or by any other means, shall take such measures as he considers necessary to suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy, if it so hinders the execution of the laws of that State, and of the United States within the State, that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law, and the constituted authorities of that State are unable, fail, or refuse to protect that right, privilege, or immunity, or to give that protection; or opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.
That’s powerful language! Consider:
The authority is vested solely in the President. He does not need the invitation of state governors to intervene, nor does he need the approval of the Supreme Court. Older provisions of the Insurrection Act required either a governor or a judicial proceeding to authorize its use, but these limits were purposefully removed by Congress in § 253.
There is no time limit on the President’s activities. Older versions of the Insurrection Act limited the use of force to brief periods of time and then required legislative approval. Those limits, too, are also gone.
The President is allowed to use any means that he (and again, he needs no one else) considers necessary. This includes using the armed forces (which enables him to bypass the Posse Comitatus Act) and using the militia (which we’ll discuss in more detail below).
The President’s ability to use force isn’t restricted to actual rebellion or insurgency. He can act against merely unlawful combinations and conspiracies. To be clear: If the President decides that a conspiracy has deprived people of a right and believes that authorities fail or refuse to protect the right, he can send in the troops.
More at: https://macris.substack.com/p/trump-at-the-rubicon
PAF and now you are taking the side of the death to America insurrectionists and their leftist propagandists.
Trump did 100% the right thing.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Like you?
Like you, but just not today.
I've never seen you come to any other conclusion. It's the ine and only thing you're ever consistent about. Oh, sure, you hate feds acting directly on U.S. citizens at home -- until Trump does it, then it doesn't bother you one bit.
This is the very GOP partisan hypocrisy that ensures every Democrat elected president has more power to abuse us with that the last Democrat elected president did.
Last edited by acptulsa; 08-12-2024 at 05:45 AM.
LOL
And this kind of spin is why you and PAF support the lie that it was "mostly peaceful" protests.
Criminals looting, burning, and killing while the local blue governments encourage them are exactly the same to you as law abiding patriots, at least when it suits your purposes.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
How?
We say, the principle remains the same regardless of the situation. Then you come along and say, if you apply the same principle to both, then you clearly think this situation is the same as that one. Then you start lumping us in with whoever and spouting your collectivist nonsense. And then you run off and pout when some innocent bystander notices that you have no principles.
It's not the same principle between rampaging criminals and law abiding patriots.
The principle is that crime can be put down and punished, but people doing no wrong can't.
But your leftist minds just can't distinguish between murderous criminal burning cities to the ground and ordinary American citizens, just like the leftists who tried to prosecute Rittenhouse.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
No, the principle we were talking about is no centralized federal policing or U.S. troops used against U.S. citizens.
That principle you espoused sounds real good. Too bad not everyone can look at someone's hair color and count their piercings, and instantly determine whether or not they're guilty of something quite the way you can.
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