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    Secret Service To Trump: 'Wanna Be Safe? Stop Holding Rallies!'

    Secret Service To Trump: 'Wanna Be Safe? Stop Holding Rallies!'



    The US Secret Service has presented a novel solution to former President Trump after the recent assassination attempt: stop holding large outdoor rallies. Does limiting Trump's ability to reach potential voters seem like a good solution? Or maybe should the Secret Service do its job better? Also today: Is the Secret Service Cheatle era the high-water mark for DEI? Finally...Bibi is in town!!!
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    In the early days, I was lukewarm to Trump at best. I assumed he would be just another Deep State puppet. I couldn't understand Trump's policies they made no sense to me on any construction. But as time has passed, I've warmed up to the theory that he really intends to clean house in the Fedgov. People get sidetracked onto all kinds of side-issues but this really is the core issue. If the Praetorian guard has been infiltrated and corrupted, you really have a headless government, and whoever controls the Praetorian guard is the real power. They can remain unseen indefinitely and they can never be stopped. So, if you're going to take that on, you're going to need to infiltrate the infiltrators, and implode them from within. "Stop holding rallies" is a smart-ass answer given by arrogant chumps who are completely convinced that Trump will never again be their boss, not on paper or in any other sense. That's precisely why Trump needs to be made their boss and put back as POTUS. The house-cleaning needs to be very, very intense. No more excuses. No more "deals". Just heads rolling like it's 1790 in Paris. Will Trump actually deliver? I don't know. But I sure hope so. Kamala certainly wouldn't be any better so, this is one case where I'm willing to "roll the dice" and see if it actually works this time...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClaytonB View Post
    In the early days, I was lukewarm to Trump at best. I assumed he would be just another Deep State puppet. I couldn't understand Trump's policies they made no sense to me on any construction. But as time has passed, I've warmed up to the theory that he really intends to clean house in the Fedgov. People get sidetracked onto all kinds of side-issues but this really is the core issue. If the Praetorian guard has been infiltrated and corrupted, you really have a headless government, and whoever controls the Praetorian guard is the real power. They can remain unseen indefinitely and they can never be stopped. So, if you're going to take that on, you're going to need to infiltrate the infiltrators, and implode them from within. "Stop holding rallies" is a smart-ass answer given by arrogant chumps who are completely convinced that Trump will never again be their boss, not on paper or in any other sense. That's precisely why Trump needs to be made their boss and put back as POTUS. The house-cleaning needs to be very, very intense. No more excuses. No more "deals". Just heads rolling like it's 1790 in Paris. Will Trump actually deliver? I don't know. But I sure hope so. Kamala certainly wouldn't be any better so, this is one case where I'm willing to "roll the dice" and see if it actually works this time...
    Count me out. Trump is the problem, not the solution.

    Trump-humpers are for police-state solutions to the government-created immigration problem. They also overlook and give passes to him not vetoing bills leading to more spending than all presidents combined. They are happy with "tax-free tips" which aren't taxed to begin with and couldn't dream of actually living without the fed. Talk to Trump-humpers about libertarian solutions and you will be considered a left-wing lune. Many stand with Israel and will go along with anything Trump/Miriam Adelson want, including warring with Iran and Israel-owned police-state apparatus brought into our country.

    Among a myriad of other things that would take volumes to cover.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Count me out. Trump is the problem, not the solution.

    Trump-humpers are for police-state solutions to the government-created immigration problem. They also overlook and give passes to him not vetoing bills leading to more spending than all presidents combined. They are happy with "tax-free tips" which aren't taxed to begin with and couldn't dream of actually living without the fed. Talk to Trump-humpers about libertarian solutions and you will be considered a left-wing lune. Many stand with Israel and will go along with anything Trump/Miriam Adelson want, including warring with Iran and Israel-owned police-state apparatus brought into our country.

    Among a myriad of other things that would take volumes to cover.
    You never-Trumpers have made countless predictions about him that keep turning out to be false. He was supposed to have sold off the National Parks to the highest bidder and imposed the MOTB years ago. I'm not going to go so far as to say it's impossible Trump could turn, but there is no actual indication of it. If he's planning to betray the movement, he certainly has the best poker-face ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClaytonB View Post
    You never-Trumpers have made countless predictions about him that keep turning out to be false. He was supposed to have sold off the National Parks to the highest bidder and imposed the MOTB years ago. I'm not going to go so far as to say it's impossible Trump could turn, but there is no actual indication of it. If he's planning to betray the movement, he certainly has the best poker-face ever.
    Poker face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClaytonB View Post
    He was supposed to have sold off the National Parks to the highest bidder...
    Haven't seen that said about anyone since Reagan.

    Quote Originally Posted by ClaytonB View Post
    ...and imposed the MOTB years ago.
    You must have a more flattering view of Bill Gates rewriting the DNA of many of the children of God than I do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Haven't seen that said about anyone since Reagan.
    I'm being hyperbolic.

    You must have a more flattering view of Bill Gates rewriting the DNA of many of the children of God than I do.
    Well, two things. First, I don't think Trump actually had the capability to stop the China-virus, it was just dropped in his lap and he had to deal with as best he could manage. William-Wallace self-sacrifice is not always the correct course of action. Second, I trust God to protect the innocent, even from malevolent bioweapon makers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClaytonB View Post
    Second, I trust God to protect the innocent, even from malevolent bioweapon makers.
    First, I'm not talking about the virus, I'm talking about the big, beautiful new jab. Second, I trust God implicitly to bring the good back in time for the hereafter, but I know for a fact that He isn't protecting them from that damned deadly jab.



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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    First, I'm not talking about the virus, I'm talking about the big, beautiful new jab. Second, I trust God implicitly to bring the good back in time for the hereafter, but I know for a fact that He isn't protecting them from that damned deadly jab.
    Such things are unknowable for any creature, not even the angels know God's innermost counsels. So no, you don't know that for a fact at all. It's these kinds of outrageous and obviously false claims that make communication between us nigh impossible...

    "See that you do not look down on one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven." (Matt. 18:10)

    The innocents are under protection your peanut-brain cannot even imagine... (Isa. 55:8,9)
    Last edited by ClaytonB; 07-29-2024 at 03:23 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClaytonB View Post
    Well, two things. First, I don't think Trump actually had the capability to stop the China-virus, it was just dropped in his lap and he had to deal with as best he could manage. Second, I trust God to protect the innocent, even from malevolent bioweapon makers.

    The proper response by any true Republican should have been: "Government Has No Business in Healthcare, Go See Your Personal/Private Physician!"

    NOT the following:


    Donald Trump: "We have given Pfizer and other companies a great deal of money!"


    Donald Trump decries "Reckless anti-vaccine rhetoric, anti-vaccine conspiracy theories"


    Trump White House orders FDA chief to authorize Pfizer vaccine by Friday or submit his resignation


    Donald Trump: Vax a "Medical Miracle" - "I pushed the FDA Like Nobody's Been Pushed Before"


    Donald Trump: "WIN BACK HOUSE, but throw Massie out of Republican Party!"


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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    any true Republican
    Well, that's your first mistake, I'm no Repuglican. I can't lie enough to be a Repuglican, they're the Gold Medal Olympians of lying!!

    I don't do political litmus-testing. I'm not one-issue anything (except the Gospel).

    Around 2014 or so, we entered Clown World or, at least, that's when I woke up and realized we had shifted dimensions to this place, where up is down, down is up, dudes are chicks, black is white, and so on. In this place, none of the old "political calculus" applies. Trump is sometimes clownish in his policies and public statements, but perhaps the solution to Clown World involves some clownishness.

    In Clown World, taking the political system at face-value in any way, shape or form is an act of insanity. I don't care who belongs to what "party". I care about directly confronting the wicked pirates who have seized the levers of power in this country, head-on. I don't care how many curtains the Wizard of Oz is hiding behind, they need to be pulled open and their wickedness exposed from the rooftops. No deals. No bargains. No bribes. No mercy. Just justice, true justice, applied with unflinching rigor. That is the only medicine strong enough to cure this present wickedness. Ultimately, we need divine intervention. I don't see any half-measures getting us out of the pinch this time.
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    Kamala should get 100% DEI SS agents. Seems only right.
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    Do you think it's a coincidence that the most cherished standard of the Ron Paul campaign was a sign highlighting the word "love" inside the word "revolution"? A revolution not based on love is a revolution doomed to failure. So, at the risk of sounding corny, I just wanted to let you know that, wherever you stand on any of these hot-button issues, and even if we might have exchanged bitter words or harsh sentiments in the past, I love each and every one of you - no exceptions!

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    Peace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClaytonB View Post
    Such things are unknowable for any creature, not even the angels know God's innermost counsels. So no, you don't know that for a fact at all.
    Why don't you tell me God prevents all wildfires now?

    I have eyes to see and ears to hear. Jesus said that's not a bad thing.

    Fundie claptrap. *yawn* Don't you know that stuff will lead you down the garden path?

    I'm glad I'm not burdened by mystic mumbo jumbo which blinds me to what the real physical evidence says God is not doing, because it might make me blind to the real physical evidence of what God is doing. And He has a fine sense of humor...

    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    physical evidence
    Yeah, that's the very point in contention. I will direct your attention to Matt. 24:24, "For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect--if that were possible." Jesus said in John 14:6, "I am ... the Truth." The reason for these extreme statements (and many similar ones) in the gospels, is precisely because the Antichrist is going to come with a deception so extreme, that even the Missouri-Show-Me types will be taken in by it. EVERYONE will be deceived, except for the elect, and that only by God's protection (thus making it impossible for them to be deceived). That is exactly what Jesus says in Matt. 24:24. Those who think that "physical evidence" is some kind of solid reality which cannot be morphed at whim like clay in the hands of the spirit realm are first in line to be deceived. They are at the very head of the line, and in the greatest hazard.

    They are lying more than you can possibly imagine...

    All I can do is throw a man a life-ring. It's up to him to grab it or not...

    Matt. 24:35 -- Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClaytonB View Post
    The reason for these extreme statements (and many similar ones) in the gospels, is precisely because the Antichrist is going to come with a deception so extreme, that even the Missouri-Show-Me types will be taken in by it. EVERYONE will be deceived, except for the elect...
    So did the anti-Christ deceive me into believing that this very fine, extremely kind and selfless person who used to be in my life but died of the jab was righteous, or that she died? The wicked have their reward in this mortal coil; the elect receive theirs later. That's Matthew Six. The elect will be protected, or the elect will be rewarded? Do I tell her widower don't grieve, she must not be of the elect because she wasn't protected, or am I misunderstanding your dogma? The good don't die young? Was I wrong to tell her mother that we must work harder at being good, so we can spend time with her again?

    Are we elected, or should we humbly stand by to see how His vote falls? And should we just stand by, or should we keep seeking Him? Because He isn't in the clown show. He's the people made hungry, cold, put in hospital or prison, not Trump at all but the least of these brethren of ours. Didn't He say so? That's Matthew 25, by the way, just so you can snap at me and tell me again that you know Matthew better than I do.

    Quote Originally Posted by ClaytonB View Post
    They are lying more than you can possibly imagine...
    Do you heed your own warning, or do you imagine that you can imagine what I can't imagine? And if you do, what happened to judge not lest you be judged, because according to your dogma, that is judging me to be unprotected from their lies, and therefore not of the elect. That's pretty harsh, man. It's a judgement if ever I read one.

    You're also judging yourself, and rather favorably. I personally consider that to be above my pay grade. I don't know if you are of the elect or not, or if I am or not, or if the elect would more accurately be called the select. But I do know that according to Jesus Himself in Matthew 25, there will be no special group on the Day of Reckoning for anyone who parrots any specific dogma. If He wasn't lying about that, then we can disagree completely and still both be of the elect.

    If you can't imagine the anti-Christ using their own dogma against modern-day Pharisees, then my imagination, though undoubtedly still inadequate, is better than yours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    So did the anti-Christ deceive me into believing that this very fine, extremely kind and selfless person who used to be in my life but died of the jab was righteous, or that she died? The wicked have their reward in this mortal coil; the elect receive theirs later. That's Matthew Six.
    OK (don't see anything to respond to here).

    The elect will be protected, or the elect will be rewarded?
    Both.

    Do I tell her widower don't grieve, she must not be of the elect because she wasn't protected, or am I misunderstanding your dogma?
    Isaiah 57:1 -- "The righteous perish, and no one ponders it in his heart; devout men are taken away, and no one understands that the righteous are taken away to be spared from evil."

    This is why the most innocent among the righteous go first. The good really do die young, that's Isaiah 57:1.

    The good don't die young? Was I wrong to tell her mother that we must work harder at being good, so we can spend time with her again?
    I personally wouldn't use those words, but I assume you were conveying a sincere sentiment.

    Are we elected, or should we humbly stand by to see how His vote falls? And should we just stand by, or should we keep seeking Him? Because He isn't in the clown show. He's the people made hungry, cold, put in hospital or prison, not Trump at all but the least of these brethren of ours. Didn't He say so? That's Matthew 25, by the way, just so you can snap at me and tell me again that you know Matthew better than I do.
    Sure, we may think of it that way. But being God, his ways are inscrutable. So, when he says that "when you did it to the least of these, you did it unto me", this is not a statement that he can only appear as those in destitution. Being very God, he does whatever he wants, Dan. 4:35.

    Do you heed your own warning, or do you imagine that you can imagine what I can't imagine?
    No, I imagine that Scripture directly informs us what you and I both cannot imagine:

    "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways," declares the LORD. "As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts." (Isa. 55:8,9)

    judging me to be unprotected from their lies, and therefore not of the elect. That's pretty harsh, man. It's a judgement if ever I read one.
    I'm informing you that if you (anyone) think you can escape the coming Great Deception by human cleverness and "Show-Me"-ness, you are already deceived. You're already in the jaws of the Great Deception itself, even as you comfort yourself that you won't fall for it because you're just so cynical and hard-boiled. The hard-boiled cynics and "Show-Me"-types are at the very head of the line to go over the precipice into the Great Deception, and that's exactly what Scripture tells us, it's not merely my opinion.

    For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate." Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?

    For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. Jews demand miraculous signs and Greeks look for wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.

    For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength.

    1 Cor. 1:18-25
    ...

    above my pay grade.
    Heavenly "pay grade" doesn't work the way it does on earth:

    Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him. (John 14:21)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClaytonB View Post
    Well, two things. First, I don't think Trump actually had the capability to stop the China-virus, it was just dropped in his lap and he had to deal with as best he could manage. William-Wallace self-sacrifice is not always the correct course of action. Second, I trust God to protect the innocent, even from malevolent bioweapon makers.
    Clearly we have a different view of what the word "protect" means. That's part of the trouble we're having communicating that we agree.

    We also seem to differ on whether seeing how the evil is serving His purposes means we should support the evil. I still don't care which side of the Uniparty appears less evil this decade. There's still plenty of room for the "lesser evil" to be almighty damned evil.

    Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?
    Vote for the lesser evil is very much the world's wisdom made foolish by God in these difficult times. My wisdom may be merely mortal, but I know this in my heart, and if I do have God in me, that's where He resides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Clearly we have a different view of what the word "protect" means. That's part of the trouble we're having communicating that we agree.

    We also seem to differ on whether seeing how the evil is serving His purposes means we should support the evil. I still don't care which side of the Uniparty appears less evil this decade. There's still plenty of room for the "lesser evil" to be almighty damned evil.



    Vote for the lesser evil is very much the world's wisdom made foolish by God in these difficult times. My wisdom may be merely mortal, but I know this in my heart, and if I do have God in me, that's where He resides.
    Beware of making assumptions. I haven't "voted for the lesser of two evils" since 2004 when I later realized that Bush absolutely betrayed everything that I had incorrectly assumed the R party was supposed to stand for (reducing government, individual liberty, economic prosperity through freedom and low-taxes, etc.) You can't reframe my two decades of moral-consistency at the ballot-box as "lesser-of-two-evils"-thinking merely because I have tentative support for Trump based on the fact that he's the only person in my voting lifetime (first able to vote in 2000) to provide even the slightest hint of a headwind to the NWO-omnipotent-welfare-warfare-State. Did he shut down the kill-and-feed orgy in DC? Of course not. But he took the initial step that no one has yet had the courage to take: First do no harm, that is, First, start no new wars.

    There are two reasons why my support of Trump is still tentative -- I do not whole-heartedly support him. 1) He does not openly proclaim that Jesus is Lord. He seems to be vaguely religious, and I hope that he is privately a true believer in Jesus. But if you're really going to be the kind of political-chainsaw chopping down the DC tyranny-tree, as Trump has tried to position himself as in the public perception, then you had better be prepared to go all the way, because the enemy is certainly going to push it that far (aka biblical Apocalypse). 2) He is silent on the Federal Reserve or even implicitly supports it. This demonstrates that Trump does not understand the true basis of American prosperity, and imagines that money-printing can somehow boost our economic power versus other countries, when it is the exact opposite. The Fed is the venom that is destroying us from within.

    So, Trump gets huge props for being the first President in my adult voting life not to start a new war, and/or expand an existing one. But my support of him is tentative, and I cannot rule out the possibility that he could just flip on us if he gets back into office. You claim to know that he will flip. I don't know that, either. I hope for the best but, in Clown World, I will not be surprised in the least by the worst...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClaytonB View Post
    Beware of making assumptions.

    So, Trump gets huge props for being the first President in my adult voting life not to start a new war, and/or expand an existing one.

    Trump Escalates Killer Drone War And No One Seems To Care

    The Trump administration has significantly increased the tempo of drone strikes in a number of countries, and it has relaxed the rules governing the targeting of these strikes. The result has been an increased number of civilian casualties with even less accountability than before and no redress for the innocent people caught in the middle of our endless wars.

    The U.S. government restricts the information that is publicly available about these attacks, and that in turn ensures that there is very little public scrutiny or criticism of an open-ended military campaign. To make matters worse, the additional strikes seem to have done nothing to reduce the activities of Al-Shabaab, and instead the threat posed by the group is greater than before.

    The drone war in Somalia is just one part of this campaign, and it exemplifies what is wrong with the open-ended “war on terror.” Like the other wars he inherited, President Trump has significantly escalated it. Through the end of 2019, there had already been 148 U.S. strikes launched in Somalia since Trump took office. In just the first half of 2020, there have been as many U.S. drone strikes in Somalia (40) as there were between 2007 and 2016. In less than three and a half years, Trump has more than quadrupled the number of attacks in Somalia ordered by his last two predecessors.

    https://www.theamericanconservative....seems-to-care/

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...-On-The-Record
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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    [INDENT]
    Trump Escalates Killer Drone War And No One Seems To Care
    Trump took military actions during his presidency. I'm not in denial about that, and I do care (I want that to stop, too). But rolling back the omnipotent warfare-State begins by rolling back the boots on the ground and closing overseas military bases. Yes, we need to shut down the droning and AI cyberwarfare, as well, because that is how the MIC is trying to "sneak" their wickedness into a supposedly renovated "New Normal" that has gone through a "Great Reset" and there's supposedly no war/poverty, etc. etc. Cheap chinese-knockoff of real peace and prosperity. So, I see the issue, and I agree it's a problem, but the Perfect really is the enemy of the Good. Close all US military overseas bases. Stop sending US troops overseas to die in conflicts that have nothing to do with us. Those steps, and shutting down the central bank, are the prerequisites to reining in the MIC. Yes, the MIC is war-gaming that scenario with drones/AI. So be it. We'll shut that down, too, when we get there, but we have to start with the basics and then work our way up to the frills.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClaytonB View Post
    Trump took military actions during his presidency. I'm not in denial about that, and I do care (I want that to stop, too). But rolling back the omnipotent warfare-State begins by rolling back the boots on the ground and closing overseas military bases. Yes, we need to shut down the droning and AI cyberwarfare, as well, because that is how the MIC is trying to "sneak" their wickedness into a supposedly renovated "New Normal" that has gone through a "Great Reset" and there's supposedly no war/poverty, etc. etc. Cheap chinese-knockoff of real peace and prosperity. So, I see the issue, and I agree it's a problem, but the Perfect really is the enemy of the Good. Close all US military overseas bases. Stop sending US troops overseas to die in conflicts that have nothing to do with us. Those steps, and shutting down the central bank, are the prerequisites to reining in the MIC. Yes, the MIC is war-gaming that scenario with drones/AI. So be it. We'll shut that down, too, when we get there, but we have to start with the basics and then work our way up to the frills.
    What you see as a gradual transition to bringing them home and ending the wars is actually just a technological modernization and repositioning of what is to happen. I am not so easily fooled:


    President Donald J. Trump signed into law legislation creating the first new armed service since 1947 — the U.S. Space Force.

    Trump signed the National Defense Authorization Act during a ceremony at Joint Base Andrews, Md, today. The $738 billion fiscal year 2020 authorization funds military and civilian pay raises, new aircraft, ship construction, tanks and armored vehicles and more.

    Since Trump took office, there has been almost $2.5 trillion in defense spending.

    A provision of the voluminous law created the service that will be totally focused on organizing, training and equipping Space Force, said Air Force Secretary Barbara Barrett during an earlier Pentagon briefing.

    "Space is the world's newest warfighting domain," Trump said at Andrews. "Amid grave threats to our national security, American superiority in space is absolutely vital. We're leading, but we're not leading by enough, and very shortly, we'll be leading by a lot."


    Continues:

    https://www.defense.gov/News/News-St...s-space-force/
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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    I am not so easily fooled:
    Yeah, OK dude. We're not going to see eye-to-eye on this issue, and I'll leave it at that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClaytonB View Post
    Yeah, OK dude. We're not going to see eye-to-eye on this issue, and I'll leave it at that.
    Spending:





    Liberty/Freedom:

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClaytonB View Post
    Yeah, OK dude. We're not going to see eye-to-eye on this issue, and I'll leave it at that.
    Just don't go to the extreme of, "Don't confuse me with facts, I've made up my mind." That's the devil's favorite camouflage. But take your time. There's a little of that left, I think.



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  29. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Just don't go to the extreme of, "Don't confuse me with facts, I've made up my mind." That's the devil's favorite camouflage. But take your time. There's a little of that left, I think.
    I've got all the time in the world. Facts are facts, but I hold facts to the standard of being actually facts and not just partisan hyper-ventilation, even when that partisan hyper-ventilation is really just neoCON hatred of anything that gets in their way (e.g. Trump not starting any fresh wars and setting up to withdraw from Afghanistan), hidden in the camouflage of being "libertarian".

    You could never measure the fury in my chest towards the neoCON hellions who burnt the beautiful country I was born into down around my ears and have destroyed my children's inheritance so they can jerk each other off while blowing up the sunshine in the deserts of Podunkistan. I'm sure it's a lot of fun to ride around in Blackhawks and run belt-fed streams of lead into anything on the ground that moves. But your fun shooting every turban you can see peeking between the sage bushes is not worth the permanent devastation of my children's future and, ultimately, their enslavement in infinite debt run up on our credit-card, meaning, the national debt which us debt-slaves are forced to repay so the neoCONs can take turns shagging each other between sessions waterboarding Achmed bin Whatever.

    Is it possible that Trump is just the world's best actor and has an absolute titanium poker-face, and the neoCON fury directed at him is just a big Golden Globe-worthy charade? Yes, it is possible. It is extremely improbable, but nothing of that nature is absolutely impossible in Clown World. Based on the facts that I can manage to get my fingers on (using non-standard methods which are hard for the Clowns to tamper with, unlike the news-headlines), this is far less probable than that Trump is honestly opposed to the neoCON/RINOs and their precious MIC idol. Their fury is directed at Trump because he really is pissing in their pool. That's a far more probable explanation, as far as I can assess. My assessment could change in a snap of the fingers, if the facts available to me change. I am no Trumper, I just want the MIC and the Fed to be nuked, sowed with salt and paved under with 10 feet of concrete. If Trump were to destroy the MIC and dismantle or route-around the Fed, I will support him in that to my dying breath. My children deserve nothing less...
    Last edited by ClaytonB; 07-30-2024 at 12:44 PM.
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  30. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by ClaytonB View Post
    I am no Trumper, I just want the MIC and the Fed to be nuked, sowed with salt and paved under with 10 feet of concrete. If Trump were to destroy the MIC and dismantle or route-around the Fed, I will support him in that to my dying breath. My children deserve nothing less...
    I don't know how one destroys something by fully funding it. I don't know how one destroys something by creating new agencies. I have given example after example which are on the Record. Perhaps take some time to actually read before you comment, and then perhaps you will learn the truth.

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  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    I don't know how one destroys something by fully funding it. I don't know how one destroys something by creating new agencies. I have given example after example which are on the Record. Perhaps take some time to actually read before you comment, and then perhaps you will learn the truth.

    Ron Paul: "What if the American People learn the truth"
    Well, since you insist on having it out, here you go: as far as I can tell, you are just another bought-and-paid-for propagandist. There are an infinite number of ways to lie, and there is only one Truth (who is Jesus). In a world where literally all headlines are some kind of lie or another, pointing to certain headlines and saying, "See Trump did XYZ! That proves he's evil! Read the news!" is just more propaganda because all you're really doing is saying, "Hey, pay attention to THESE lies, not THOSE lies!"

    If you'd actually bother not to be a paid propagandist, I might listen to you or read the otherwise trash articles you post. But since you're just another online $hill, I'll pay no attention whatsoever to anything you write or link to. I don't need any assistance accessing the endless stream of lies and propaganda available on the Internet, I am quite capable of accessing that infinite ocean of lies and propaganda without a self-appointed tour-guide pointing me in this or that direction.

    Out of curiosity, why would a $hill such as yourself say that Wray's chin was shaking at the end of this video?



    In Clown World, uncontrollable, involuntary reflexes like that are the only accessible truth. Everything else is either outright lies, or twisted/distorted/fake/crisis-actors/etc. If you have a more optimistic view of things, have fun living in your sunny $hill-dimension where "the truth" is something you can go check on CNN.com real quick. In Clown World, there is no longer any such thing as "truth", except as it rears its ugly head through those few things that The Liars cannot control.

    "I'm in the details, with the devil" -- Light 'Em Up by Fallout Boy
    Last edited by ClaytonB; 07-30-2024 at 01:12 PM.
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  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by ClaytonB View Post
    [...] you are just another bought-and-paid-for propagandist. [...]

    If you'd actually bother not to be a paid propagandist [...] But since you're just another online $hill [...]

    Out of curiosity, why would a $hill such as yourself [...]

    [...] have fun living in your sunny $hill-dimension [...]
    Per this post, please stop doing this.
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 07-30-2024 at 01:53 PM.

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by ClaytonB View Post
    Facts are facts, but I hold facts to the standard of being actually facts and not just partisan hyper-ventilation, even when that partisan hyper-ventilation is really just neoCON hatred of anything that gets in their way...
    I'll tell you what. If you tell me who would pay this man to say what he says and why, then I'll decide you aren't the one hyperventilating:

    Quote Originally Posted by ClaytonB View Post
    [...] you are just another bought-and-paid-for propagandist. [...]

    If you'd actually bother not to be a paid propagandist [...] But since you're just another online $hill [...]

    Out of curiosity, why would a $hill such as yourself [...]

    [...] have fun living in your sunny $hill-dimension [...]
    Last edited by acptulsa; 07-30-2024 at 05:18 PM.

  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Per this post, please stop doing this.
    It's not my fault if they want to push an issue until there's no recourse but to call them out. Who whined to you? Not me. I'm not the trouble-maker here.
    Jer. 11:18-20. "The Kingdom of God has come upon you." -- Matthew 12:28

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