Trump wants to end Birthright Citizenship

[Pauls' Revere]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/litigatio...130000195.html

[fedupinmo]

They should clarify what is meant by "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" in the 14th Amendment to mean child of a US citizen parent, or someone who has been granted permanent residency.

[sparebulb]

How about a fifth choice on the poll:

* Trump will raise the issue of ending birthright citizenship for the election season and then appoint democrats, neocons, and foreign-born rat bastards to a special committee to negotiate mass amnesty for all illegals in perpetuity, once elected.

[69360]

I would be fine with it if it passed. However I don't consider it a pressing issue or a winnable one.

[Anti Federalist]

Right from Ron's playbook.

[TheTexan]

I would be fine with it if it passed. However I don't consider it a pressing issue or a winnable one.

Yea, the immigrants taking over this nation really isn't a pressing issue, I agree

[PAF]

Yea, the immigrants taking over this nation really isn't a pressing issue, I agree

It wouldn't be a problem at all if government stayed out of it, both in the transportation of and making them "legal". It's the government contractors and the police-state apparatus who are raking it in.

[TheTexan]

It wouldn't be a problem at all if government stayed out of it, both in the transportation of and making them "legal". It's the government contractors and the police-state apparatus who are raking it in.

I disagree. For a nation to exist, it must have an identity. Mass immigration - from any cause - destroys nations.

Some anarchists would consider that a good thing (the destruction of nations). I personally do not.

[PAF]

I disagree. For a nation to exist, it must have an identity. Mass immigration - from any cause - destroys nations.

Some anarchists would consider that a good thing (the destruction of nations). I personally do not.

The only identity I support is Natural Rights [outlined in the Bill of Rights] and be left alone. I am not a communist I mean nationalist... oh wait, according to this anarchist, they are the same.

[TheTexan]

The only identity I support is Natural Rights [outlined in the Bill of Rights] and be left alone. I am not a communist I mean nationalist... oh wait, according to this anarchist, they are the same.

There's a big difference between a nation and a state. A nation is simply a group of people with a shared identity. No state aggression required.

[PAF]

There's a big difference between a nation and a state. A nation is simply a group of people with a shared identity. No state aggression required.

What identity? Who determines? What if I disagree? I don't like that commie word "shared" unless I voluntarily agree. To have a nation, somebody must dictate the definition/terms.

[TheTexan]

What identity? Who determines? What if I disagree? I don't like that commie word "shared" unless I voluntarily agree. To have a nation, somebody must dictate the definition/terms.

I already provided the definition/terms. A group of people with shared identity. Without aggression, there's nothing forcing you - besides perhaps social pressure - to share that identity.

If you don't share a common identity with the people around you, that's fine, but you would find yourself happier if you leave and find an identity you do agree with.

Even if that identity is anarchist misanthropes who hates identities. Even that, is an identity.

To put it in other terms, if all you want is to be left alone, you will have much better luck with that if you surround yourself geographically with people who also just want to be left alone.

[PAF]

I already provided the definition/terms. A group of people with shared identity. Without aggression, there's nothing forcing you - besides perhaps social pressure - to share that identity.

If you don't share a common identity with the people around you, that's fine, but you would find yourself happier if you leave and find an identity you do agree with.

Even if that identity is anarchist misanthropes who hates identities. Even that, is an identity.

To put it in other terms, if all you want is to be left alone, you will have much better luck with that if you surround yourself geographically with people who also just want to be left alone.

I'm sure it's not universal, but in my experience in my area, I have more in common with immigrants than I do the old guys with MAGA Caps and ladies with dyed-red hair. What then? Kick out the immigrants who want to be left alone and embrace the pro-police-state-apparatus republicans and single white 20 year olds on welfare who have 4 kids to 3 different fathers?

[69360]

I disagree. For a nation to exist, it must have an identity. Mass immigration - from any cause - destroys nations.

Some anarchists would consider that a good thing (the destruction of nations). I personally do not.

The birth rate in America is 1.66

That means without immigration there will no longer be an America in the future. That is an indisputable fact.

Your anger is misplaced, you should be angry with those you identify with for not reproducing.

[PAF]

The birth rate in America is 1.66

That means without immigration there will no longer be an America in the future. That is an indisputable fact.

Your anger is misplaced, you should be angry with those you identify with for not reproducing.

Correct. David Stockman wrote an article backing up your statement:

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2024/01/...h-a-wide-gate/

[TheTexan]

I'm sure it's not universal, but in my experience in my area, I have more in common with immigrants than I do the old guys with MAGA Caps and ladies with dyed-red hair. What then? Kick out the immigrants who want to be left alone and embrace the pro-police-state-apparatus republicans and single white 20 year olds on welfare who have 4 kids to 3 different fathers?

The answer is to find your nation, if that's with the god-forsaken immigrants, who am I to judge. Form your nation, and secede, that has always been the answer, and always will be the answer.

[TheTexan]

The birth rate in America is 1.66

That means without immigration there will no longer be an America in the future. That is an indisputable fact.

Your anger is misplaced, you should be angry with those you identify with for not reproducing.

Yea I'm not concerned about that at all. At some point the planet is gonna have to stop having so many goddamn children anyway.

At least until Elon gets us into space

[TheTexan]

The birth rate in America is 1.66

That means without immigration there will no longer be an America in the future. That is an indisputable fact.

Your anger is misplaced, you should be angry with those you identify with for not reproducing.

I would also point out that the lower birth rates is BECAUSE of immigration.

One of the reasons why birth rates are low is because the culture has become so toxic. Men pretending to be women, women pretending to be men, all sodomizing each other, the destruction of the nuclear family, etc.

The culture would have never gotten this bad if we hadn't allowed immigrants to come and $#@! it up in the first place (*cough* *cough* JEWS)

[Swordsmyth]

The birth rate in America is 1.66

That means without immigration there will no longer be an America in the future. That is an indisputable fact.

Your anger is misplaced, you should be angry with those you identify with for not reproducing.

Correct. David Stockman wrote an article backing up your statement:

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2024/01/...h-a-wide-gate/

I would also point out that the lower birth rates is BECAUSE of immigration.

One of the reasons why birth rates are low is because the culture has become so toxic. Men pretending to be women, women pretending to be men, all sodomizing each other, the destruction of the nuclear family, etc.

The culture would have never gotten this bad if we hadn't allowed immigrants to come and $#@! it up in the first place (*cough* *cough* JEWS)

The birthrate is suppressed because of immigration and globalism.
Globalism sends all the jobs overseas and immigration floods the labor market and the welfare rolls.
People can't earn a decent living and don't have kids as a consequence.

[Swordsmyth]

I'm sure it's not universal, but in my experience in my area, I have more in common with immigrants than I do the old guys with MAGA Caps and ladies with dyed-red hair. What then? Kick out the immigrants who want to be left alone and embrace the pro-police-state-apparatus republicans and single white 20 year olds on welfare who have 4 kids to 3 different fathers?

Your trademark fantastical inversion of reality.

[sparebulb]

The birthrate is suppressed because of immigration and globalism.
Globalism sends all the jobs overseas and immigration floods the labor market and the welfare rolls.
People can't earn a decent living and don't have kids as a consequence.

I 100% agree with this.

[69360]

Yea I'm not concerned about that at all. At some point the planet is gonna have to stop having so many goddamn children anyway.

At least until Elon gets us into space

Elon disagrees with you.

[TheTexan]

Elon disagrees with you.

Well, not even Elon is right about everything

[Invisible Man]

I don't know what it's going to take to get people to stop making thread titles like this. Don't say Trump wants this or that. Say Trump claims to want this or that.

[PAF]

I don't know what it's going to take to get people to stop making thread titles like this. Don't say Trump wants this or that. Say Trump claims to want this or that.

They think that just because Harris is running Trump is going to flip 180 and go from the Biggest-Spender-in-History to "he was sent by God" - again. Only this time they will fully embrace the Iran war and the domestic-police-state he was hired to do. Just ask Miriam Adelson.

Left/Right politics always wins at the expense of more spending and loss of freedoms. It is designed that way.

[Brian4Liberty]

They should clarify what is meant by "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" in the 14th Amendment to mean child of a US citizen parent, or someone who has been granted permanent residency.

Well, it was written as a result of the civil war and the freeing of slaves, so the original intent was to ensure that the current residents who used to be slaves were now citizens.

It certainly was not intended to apply to anchor babies. That probably wasn't even a concept at the time. Modern travel has changed that.

It does need to be clarified, but with the globalist agenda currently at work, their idea of "clarification" would mean that the entire world can now be citizens of the US whenever they are standing in the US.

[Snowball]

Yea I'm not concerned about that at all. At some point the planet is gonna have to stop having so many goddamn children anyway.

At least until Elon gets us into space

What if I told you they are already in space
and Elon was put in this role to help make you believe they are not?

Back to the topic. If a Potus ordered this, it would be challenged. The Scotus would decide it.
He would probably have to defy some sort of restraining order. Which he should do, but probably won't.

[oyarde]

I voted

[fisharmor]

The birth rate in America is 1.66

That means without immigration there will no longer be an America in the future. That is an indisputable fact.

Your anger is misplaced, you should be angry with those you identify with for not reproducing.

1. Ok someone explain to me why it is that most of the woods I played in as a kid in Northern Virginia in the 80s have been turned into neighborhoods.
Someone explain to me why it is that when I was in Denver in the early 90s it was still islands of civilization on I-25 and now it's basically one huge neighborhood from Fort Collins to Pueblo.

I don't need facts and figures to find the problems with your post. I just need eyes and a half century of life under my belt. You don't need a 100% increase in living accommodations over 30 years to have sustainable population growth. The places I've been living tend to show that... and if the birth rate is really that low and immigration is really needed to fix that, then what we have been experiencing is an overcorrection... and that was PRIOR to opening the flood gates. It's simply too many damned people - and that's not even getting into the already mentioned idea that nobody has tried fixing the birth rate prior to importing everyone.

2. We actually have a historical example to look at in America for replacement. There was a gigantic die-off in the existing human population here in the 1500s. Admittedly there are massive technological differences in play but it still took almost three centuries for the indigenous numbers to be overcome by non-indigenous. That's a pretty good example to look at if you're trying to resist the replacement theory, since the outgoing and incoming cultures were night-and-day different - but as I've pointed out here before, there are mitigating factors here. The difference between a brown-skinned Roman Catholic family-oriented drywaller and a white-skinned Southern Baptist auto mechanic are not that great - and we've actually had several more recent examples in US history where we have successfully integrated people with different color skin, skills that don't require an advanced degree, and a different expression of trinitarian Christianity. And by "more recent" I really mean 150-90 years ago.

If we were beset with what the UK, Ireland, and Sweden are going through, where the majority of their immigration actually is an alien culture that is bent on changing things for the worse, there would be a point in preventing them coming, but here, it's not the same. We have enough in common with the immigrants that they can be integrated the same way as has been done a dozen times already. We just have to, you know, actually, kinda, try.

3. That's not to say I think we should do one thing or the other. My position is I throw immigration in the same bucket with Abortion. The federal government never properly had the power to rule on it, the federal government arrogated that power inappropriately, and it's a matter that ought to be left to the states. In this case literally the only thing the federal government has any business talking about is birthright citizenship - and that's what they're talking about ending... probably without a constitutional amendment, too, if Trump's prior M.O. is any indication.

We got to where we are through various governments - federal, state, and local - overstepping their authority. This site used to be for people who are against the use of government authority and particularly when it is not clearly authorized. Repealing the one thing they do have authority to do, and ignoring the things they never had authority to do, will only make things worse.

[TheTexan]

What if I told you they are already in space
and Elon was put in this role to help make you believe they are not?

Are you one of those round earth conspiracy theorists who think we already landed on the moon?